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Stuff You Never See: 1982 Dodge 400 vs 1984 Peugeot 505

Sbsd 5 5 2025
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Welcome back! I’m starting the week out with a couple of rarities, cars you almost never see anymore. You almost never saw them when they were new, for that matter. But here they are, for sale, nice and cheap, and before you ask – yes, they both run.

Friday’s four-way shootout was a foregone conclusion. If you’re looking for a good reliable way to get around, and those are your choices, then of course you choose the manual Honda. It’ll just do what you ask it to, day in and day out, until you get sick of it and want something else, which sounds like the reason it’s for sale to begin with.

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But if you’re looking for a toy, it’s probably the worst choice. There’s nothing you could do to it besides routine maintenance; any modification would make it objectively worse. On the other hand, something like that Cavalier or the BMW would be a great second or third car, something that already runs and drives, but provides ample opportunity for that most noble of all human endeavors: “puttering around.”

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Both of today’s choices fit the “cheap car to putter around with” brief as well. One is the rarest version of a car you all love to hate, and the other is, well, French. And diesel. Happy Monday!

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1982 Dodge 400 Convertible – $2,000

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Engine/drivetrain: 2.2-liter overhead cam inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Rio Rancho, NM

Odometer reading: 51,000 miles

Operational status: “Runs, drives, and stops”

Say what you want about the Chrysler K platform, but Chrysler did an amazing job of making a bunch of different cars from the same basic ingredients. Some you see all the time, like the basic Aries and Reliant and LeBaron. Others, like the Executive Limousine and Laser, elicit a “wow, you don’t see those often” when one pops up. But if you want to really talk K-car rarity, you’d be hard-pressed to beat the Dodge 400. Produced for only two years, this upscale version of the Aries was available as a two-door coupe, four-door sedan, or a convertible. I actually owned one for a while, a coupe, with – get this – a four-speed manual. I think the last time I actually saw a Dodge 400 of any style in person was when I sold that car, back in 1995.

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The 400, along with the Chrysler LeBaron, reintroduced convertibles to the US market after six long years. They’re basically the same car except for trim, but the LeBaron usually received the optional Mitsubishi-built 2.6-liter four-cylinder. This being a “mere” Dodge, it makes do with Chrysler’s own 2.2-liter engine. It’s slightly less powerful, but vastly less troublesome. This one runs and drives fine, and has had a lot of recent work done to make sure of it. As you would expect, the transmission is a deeply unsexy but very durable Torqueflite three-speed automatic.

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Inside, it’s in reasonably good condition for being a malaise-era Dodge. The dash is cracked, and the upholstery is faded and oddly mismatched. At least it’s not torn up. I believe these seats are vinyl, not leather like you would have gotten in a LeBaron. It does have power windows and a power top, all of which appear to operate fine. The plastic rear window is mostly absent, however, and the top has a tear in one corner, so you’ll have to have it replaced, or just leave it down all the time.

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Unsurprisingly for a desert car, all the horizontal paint surfaces are absolutely fried. But the vertical surfaces look pretty good, and all the trim is there, as are all four original hubcaps. Likely no one is going to go to the trouble of restoring a Dodge 400, but if you were so inclined, this isn’t a bad starting point.

1984 Peugeot 505 STI Turbodiesel – $2,300

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Engine/drivetrain: Turbodiesel 2.3-liter overhead cam inline 4, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Dayton, NV

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Odometer reading: 147,000 miles (but says “odometer broken”)

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Diesels never really caught on in America, except for trucks. But for a while in the late 1970s and early 80s, the car industry sure did give diesel a good try. Volkswagen and Mercedes sold a bunch, GM foisted far too many disastrous Oldsmobile diesel 350s onto unsuspecting buyers, and small cliques of loyal owners coalesced around diesel offerings from makes like Audi, Isuzu, and Peugeot.

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The 505 was the successor to the 504, Peugeot’s long-lived and well-regarded workhorse. Like the 504, the 505 was available as either a sedan or a wagon, but the pickup truck variant of the 504 didn’t make the jump. Peugeot’s indestructible diesel engines were carried over, however, and gained a turbocharger, for a whopping eighty whole horsepower. This beast of an engine drives the rear wheels through a three-speed automatic that I’m sure no one chose in Europe, but was probably depressingly common here in America. Expect that same sluggish but relentless freight-train acceleration that you get in a Mercedes 300D. You’ll get there eventually. It burns a little oil, and there’s a transmission pan leak that should probably be addressed.

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The interior is really clean, and in that grand French motoring tradition, very comfortable. It has power windows, but the rear windows don’t work and the driver’s window is a little recalcitrant; it sounds like the switches may be failing. Openable windows are important here, though, because it does not appear to have air conditioning.

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The paint is shot, but at least it’s not rusty. Let’s hear it for Western cars. A paint job would help it a lot, even a cheap DIY job. I do feel like that tow hitch might be a little optimistic, unless it’s for one of those little Harbor Freight utility trailers.

Ninety-nine percent of the public won’t give either of these a second glance, but when that one percent recognizes them, you’re in for a conversation. Even old and faded like this, you’d be a hit at the right Cars & Coffee gathering with either one. And they’d both be fun to tinker around with. So what’ll it be – the rare K-car, or the French diesel?

 

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Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 day ago

I put 90K miles on a gas ’71 504 that I bought used with 60K already on the clock. It was virtually indestructible. Until it got destroyed by a Plymouth Fury station wagon plowing into it at 35 mph while the Pug was stopped at a light. My then wife was at the helm and not wearing a seatbelt, was uninjured other than a contusion to her left shin from flying up into something rigid under the dash. The other driver went to the hospital and then to jail for drunk driving.

I bought it in ’78 for $1,500 and got $ 900 for it in ’86. Eight years and 90K miles for $600? Encroyable!

A friend had a 505 and it rode even better than my 504. So, easy choice. And I’m happy to see most of my Autopian compatriots agree.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
2 days ago

I really want a 505, but not this 505.

A new top and a few cans of Krylon and that old Dodge might be ok from 20 feet. Ryan, I’d like a K.

HokieZs
HokieZs
2 days ago

The Cavalier from last week was everything this 400 wishes it was

…. (I did vote for the 400 anyways)

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago

100,000 less miles and a convertible ok hohum but it beats the diesel with questionable problems. I was expecting to go diesel because for 3 years I worked at a Dodge dealership and saw a 400 every day. It might have been the same one definitely not more than 3 they didn’t sell well. Actually that era car always feels like a simulator to me as it doesn’t feel like it is following your orders as quick as it should.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
2 days ago

French? Diesel? RWD? Sign me up! This is The Autopian, right? It’s more interesting and the body style is decent. No thanks to the Lebaron adjacent Jon Voight car, unless it has his pencil in the glovebox! Ha ha
I thought it was hilarious they said it was an 89, then later episodes said it was an 83- which it clearly is. Also loved Kramer’s experimental 73 Impala
https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/kramer-seinfeld-1973-chevrolet-impala-airbags-details-photos
“this upscale version of the Aries”
That’s not saying much! Thanks for the laugh…the Aries/Reliant were some of the worst cars ever made

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago

You mean the ass man car?

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
2 days ago

Yup!
“According to the state of NY, you ARE the Assman!”

67 Oldsmobile
67 Oldsmobile
2 days ago

I am sure they are both shit cars and the correct answer is «none»,but you cannot beat a Peugeot diesel.

Black Peter
Black Peter
2 days ago

I mean I know these are fantasy purchases, but I went with the fantasy purchase that actually has part availability. The 505 is a fantasy purchase with a fantasy dealer network and 4 examples in junkyards in the US. That’s too fantastic.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
2 days ago
Reply to  Black Peter

It was a popular car globally, however. Parts are out there, but they’re not going to be as plentiful or cheap as they are for a Dodge here in the U.S. – you may be surprised, though; Pugs are tough, tough cars that were prized on the African continent for their durability.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

The parts of Africa that were under French rule and only had French cars available

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 day ago

If Italy owned parts of Africa, they would probably be partially paved with parts of Fiats. Peugeots were very stoutly engineered. At least back then. Likely not as fun to throw around corners as Fiats, but incredibly tough.

(A college classmate had a ’74 124 1600 stick and it was definitely fun to drive.)

A fairly unique Peugeot feature (at least on the 504, not sure about the 505) was that the driveshaft was inside a torque tube, which theoretically helped handling, but also prevented vegetative material from wrapping around the driveshaft while traversing grasslands or what have you.

That would’ve been a fun Top Gear challenge. A Mercedes W123 vs a 504 or 505 and flog them through the worst roads or non-roads they could find. My money would’ve been on the Pug.

So, P>D in this round. IMHO

Black Peter
Black Peter
1 day ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

Of course, if I were typing this from Africa my vote would have been very different.

M SV
M SV
2 days ago

Weird and French is the way send the other to k car hell where it belongs

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 days ago
Reply to  M SV

I bet a Frenchman would say the opposite and choose the American fancy car not that sheetmobile Peugot. That is slower than you can walk. So I spit on you and fart in your general direction.

M SV
M SV
2 days ago

France is a large country perhaps a certain Frenchie thinks that thinks that’s luxury but Ive only ever heard used car salesman and the like describe a k car as luxury. They also used to say they were technological advanced because they had the circuitry from a 1970s childs toy. They would probably just be shocked such cars still exist. In most French cities it’s like long term demolition derby then they just throw the car away after a certain point.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 day ago
Reply to  M SV

I’d take a Peugeot or Citroen over anything else that the other Stellantis brands produce these days. And probably a Renault as well, but I’ve never been in one or driven one.

M SV
M SV
1 day ago

I think anyone who has driven the hornet or the toenail would agree. I’ve seen 3 different people buy them and they get towed away within a week and they buy something else.

XLEJim700
XLEJim700
2 days ago

Everthin’ changes / Paper dress to a gown / Cue golden ages / When the top comes down

Bryan McIntosh
Bryan McIntosh
2 days ago

Back in 2017 I had a year where I spent all of it looking for work, and I would regularly go out for a stroll around the neighbourhood in search of interesting cars parked on the street. One of the biggest highlights/lowlights was a Dodge 400 convertible almost identical to this, except it had its rear window at the time. I wish I had taken the effort to leave a note on the windshield for the owner to get in touch, since anyone who has bothered to keep a car as weird and generally unloved as that MUST have a cool story to go along with it!

Dirk from metro Atlanta
Dirk from metro Atlanta
2 days ago

I ain’t never had a diesel and I ain’t never will, so give me the very ragged ragtop and I’ll make it work.

CanyonCarver
CanyonCarver
2 days ago

50% false statement of cars you never see. When I lived in Athens, GA there was a guy who would bring out one of his 3 505’s to some of the car shows and I would see them puttering around town. For that reason (among others), its my pick

Acd
Acd
2 days ago

Peugeot 505 is my nominee for the Most Comfortable Car Seats contest and these look to be in very nice condition. It probable has more issues on top of the leaky transmission pan but I’ll take it anyhow.

The Mark
The Mark
2 days ago

Go to the junkyard and grab some of those velour seats out of a LeBaron or whatever. Quick, cheap respray. K-car parts are still readily available, and this is a convertible! Easy win for the 400.

5VZ-ForEver and Ever, Amen
5VZ-ForEver and Ever, Amen
2 days ago

No punctuation ad says the 505’s driver’s door sticks closed. No AC, finicky windows, sealed door? What’s French for Christine?

Der Foo
Der Foo
2 days ago

Having driven various K-car variants, I’ll take something different in the Peuget, even if it somehow turns out to be worse than the K-car.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
2 days ago

Peuget trying hard to answer the question no one asked- how many hoses can you fit in an engine bay?

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
2 days ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Peugeot has been operating in a vacuum here in North America for quite a while now.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
2 days ago

This is such an excellent comment

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 day ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

That is a lot of hoses. I tried, but I can’t figure out what all of them are for. I had a gas 504 and it looked nothing like this under the hood.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
2 days ago

The Peugeot has some of the most comfortable seats of its age – and that Pininfarina bodywork!
I’ll take the Lion.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 days ago

I’m not a fan of convertibles… so I’ll go for the 505 Sexually Transmitted Infection.

Mr. Frick
Mr. Frick
2 days ago

I’d take that Dodge, do nothing to it and drive it till the wheel(s) fell off. Probably about a week.

JDE
JDE
2 days ago
Reply to  Mr. Frick

same, though I have a sneaky suspicion it might surprise you.

Bill C
Bill C
2 days ago

I’d vote Dodge. Some soap, water, a few joyrides, a few RockAuto shipments and junkyard trips, and you’d have something easily flippable.

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
2 days ago
Reply to  Bill C

The only way to flip a K-Car is to flip it off into an industrial shredder.

77 SR5 LIftback
77 SR5 LIftback
2 days ago

Peugeot Diesel.

80hp! Slow, steady, and reliable wins my race.

After watching Bruce in Australia resurrect old diesel trucks that have been abandoned for 30 years…this Peugeot should be a cake walk.

https://www.youtube.com/@bruceinaus/videos

JDE
JDE
2 days ago

I would only want that to attempt a cheap Fry Grease conversion. It already runs, so no resurrection needed really. and it probably is pretty simple for a Diesel….probably being famous last words for me when it comes to odd euro vehicles.

SAABstory
SAABstory
2 days ago

I’d vote for the Copart Nissan NYC Taxi before a K-Car. And I’ve actually seen the taxi in person so I know how bad it is.

Last edited 2 days ago by SAABstory
Dead Elvis, Inc.
Dead Elvis, Inc.
2 days ago

Gotta go with the French one.

I assume that the Dodge 400 is only 2/3 as bad as the Dodge 600, which means it’s still quite awful.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 days ago

I guess the Dodge if I have to choose where the oil stains in my driveway are coming from.

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