Tesla went big on its Cybercab announcement event on Thursday night. It’s been a long-awaited moment, as the EV automaker has been championing autonomous taxis as the ultimate goal of its self-driving technology for years now.
The company’s well-attended livestream finally gave us a real look at the vehicle that’s supposed to herald the future of transportation—in Tesla’s vision, at least. The company revealed a sleek, futuristic-looking vehicle, as you might expect—but with ultimately less daring aesthetics than the polarizing Cybertruck.
That’s not to say that Tesla gave us something conventional. Far from it, in fact. It’s a two-seater, a coupe, and it’s got scissor doors paired with a drastically-sloping roofline. It’s like no other cab you’ve ever hailed before.
Robotaxi & Robovan pic.twitter.com/pI2neyJBSL
— Tesla (@Tesla) October 11, 2024
They call it a Robotaxi in the Tweet? Sure. They called it a Cybercab everywhere else.
Tesla headlines the Cybercab as “faster” and “more affordable.” Why? Well, you won’t be paying a human driver to sit in the seat to haul you around. Beyond that, it notes that the design relies solely on cameras for its self-driving ability. Tesla has long eschewed the use of more expensive radar or LIDAR sensors in its autonomous driving program.
Tesla also states you’ll be able to “call it once” and keep the vehicle “as long as needed,” whether you’re taking short trips or using it all day. Contrast that to a contemporary rideshare or taxi, which is only yours for as long as your trip lasts.
Once again, Tesla has flirted with bold price claims. We’re told the Cybercab will be cost less than $30,000 for purchase, and that sales will be open to private individuals, not just fleet buyers. They’re selling the concept of a cheap robot car that hauls you hither and thither, with the added appeal of the aforementioned scissor doors.
The elephant in the room, of course, is a big one. At this stage, Tesla doesn’t have the technology for self-driving taxis that operate without human supervision. The livestream addressed this, with CEO Elon Musk stating he predicts non-supervised self-driving will be available “before 2027.” This would apply not just to the Cybercab, but to the rest of the Tesla fleet as well—Musk noted that the Model 3, Model Y, Cybertruck, et al, will all get Level 4 or Level 5 self-driving capability. Basically, that’s where the car can drive itself under the vast majority of situations without any human supervision or interaction. You know, what we all think self-driving means.
NEWS: Tesla has filed four patents related to a wireless charging mat for vehicles. This mat is something the car will drive over and it will automatically start charging. While it's not clear what Teslas will use this, presumably Tesla's upcoming Robotaxi will utilize this… https://t.co/jyr5RX0EmI pic.twitter.com/MSdqc9jCoT
— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) September 7, 2024
Notably, the livestream mentioned that the Cybercab will have inductive charging capability. This comes as little surprise, as Tesla’s research activity in this area has been public knowledge for some time. As we reported last month, Tesla has filed four patents regarding wireless EV charging technology. Patent drawings and other graphics from the company suggest charging is achieved via a floor-mounted rectangular pad that sits beneath the vehicle. We’ve also seen that provisions appear to have been made on existing Tesla vehicle batteries for this purpose, with connectors for the technology already apparently included on some batteries.
This move makes sense. While it’s possible to build a robotic apparatus to plug in a wired charger to an EV, a wireless charger is altogether simpler to implement. One merely needs to drive the vehicle over the pad to start charging. This would be far simpler and easier for an autonomous vehicle, and require far less maintenance over time.
Autonomous cabs promise a multitude of benefits. Namely, there’s no need for a human driver to spend their time schlepping other humans around. This eliminates labor costs if you’re hiring a cab, for example, and also avoids issues like fatigue. Alternatively, if it’s your Cybercab you’re talking about, full autonomy avoids the issue of parking. You can have your vehicle drop you off at your destination, and then it can drive away and come pick you up later. There’s no need to find convenient parking near your destination. You can also work during your commute, which theoretically could let you spend more time at home with your loved ones, plus in theory you could rent out your car to someone without worrying about them driving like crazed loons.
That’s all very fun, of course, it’s just not real. Not quite yet, anyway. But Tesla still firmly believes that it can make it happen, and the Cybercab is the vehicle apparently optimized to operate in this way.
What’s weird is that Tesla’s prime autonomous cab would only have two seats and an obviously limited cargo capacity. On the one hand, a great many cab trips do carry just one or two people. On the other hand, it’s a pain enough today when you’re travelling with five friends and have to try and score yourself one of the big Ubers. It would be particularly annoying if this happened every time you were travelling as a trio. In any case, Tesla dodged around this to a degree by simultaneously announcing the Robovan, which apparently has 20 seats and far more space.
Ultimately, the Cybercab is kind of a surprise. That’s what Tesla does well, of course. A regular automaker might have showed us another pod concept with comfy chairs and lots of room inside, but that wouldn’t fit the Tesla aesthetic. What they showed us was something radical, shocking, and questionably practical. Given the way the Cybertruck lit up the discourse, both for better and worse, it seems the Cybercab is following a similar formula. Tesla is as Tesla does, that much is certain.
Image credits: Tesla
I suspect the cybercab will go down as Teslas first true flop/jumping the shark moment. We’ll see if they can prove me wrong but I doubt it.
Hey they solved the SoCal traffic congestion problem with Boring Company, so this should be easy!
The cybertruck is already that.
I think they’re naming it wrong. This isn’t CyberCab. This is CyberCommuter. It isn’t meant to get you to the airport – it’s meant to get you to work.
The problem is we’ll need a ton of these for peak usage, and then most will sit around all day doing nothing. Planning around an “average usage” is going to give you something akin to the USS Gerald Ford’s toilet problems.
I predict a sales promotion along the lines of “buy one and the taxi fees will pay for itself”, with the fatal flaw being if you’re going to make use of it during peak, you’ll have a lot of competition during off-peak and the revenue stream won’t be so rosy.
That’s assuming the self driving part works as advertised. I’m still not convinced that will work with cameras alone.
For some reason this thing reminds me of my motorcycle helmet. An Alpinestars Supertech R10.
Now give it a steering wheel and I will buy it tomorrow. The electric Honda Insight I have been waiting for.
How do I know this will never happen? Because if he was serious about driverless taxis he wouldn’t waste effort on a new chassis…the Model Y without a steering wheel would be a better option and all that development money could be saved for the class action lawsuits.
This thing is a slightly lower roofline away from going hard asf. I’m a fan of the overall design. It’s use and purpose will be a hilarious failure, but the thing LOOKS dope.
Agreed.
It occurs to me that with the drive-by-wire tech they’re beta-testing with the Cybertruck, mounting regular driving controls inside one of these wouldn’t be a huge deal for them.
Also, if it’s drive by wire, these could all be driven by 50 people in racing SIM setups in a Tesla factory somewhere.
I wouldn’t put it below Elon to fake something like that
I’m not going to lie; having a remote, live driver seems infinitely more preferable than just a google maps interface on the dashboard and a button labeled ‘good luck’.
Then they could drive folks they don’t like off of a bridge, no thanks.
You trust hundreds if not thousands of folks everyday day to not drive across a line of paint and hit you head on.
That’s the thing. I don’t trust them lol, you just hit on something I think about entirely too much while I’m driving.
Taxi drivers being replaced by foreign drivers in “drive centers” in Bangladesh is not the future we were promised
Sorry folks, it’s cyberpunk dystopia. Corpo out front should’ve toldya.
Autonomous vehicles are just two years away!
At least they’re consistent. They’ve been 2 years away for a decade and will remain so for another.
I love ya, tomorrow!
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And so is fusion power! Actually, I think they are making good progress on the fusion front…
Lewin should stop selling fsd as a functioning technology, it’s fucking dangerous.
Relying only on camera doesn’t work nowadays, see all the fsd failures from the incelcamino recently, and it’s not gonna work in the future.
Robotaxi and fsd are announced and delayed since many many many years, yet Lewin doesn’t question that and only report elon ponzi material.
I really can’t understand how Torch is letting that discourse go, on his website…
Did you see the paragraph above the patent drawings? Lewin is not selling fsd in any way, shape, or form
U jocking.. right ?
‘The elephant in the room…Tesla doesn’t have the technology for self-driving…’
Then Lewin reports what Elon is promising. I don’t see this as promoting fsd, but simply doing what a car website should by telling us what happened at the presentation
Reading comprehension has left the chat
At least Tesla accurately replicated the traffic jam we’ll all be stuck in, autonomous or not. My biggest take-out from the Cybercab is the design language. Sort of a mix of the edginess of Cybertruck and the soft, sculptured language of the S,3 & Y. I actually like this direction, even though proportions on the Cybercab looks odd. Wouldn’t be surprised it the next-gen/facelifted Y looks very similar.
I agree. It’s a handsome vehicle.
I agree. My first encounter with a Cybertruck in the wild was with one that was wrapped in matte black, and it was in deep shade, so all I could make out was the front light bar coming at me. I liked it. Hated the rest of the truck as it passed, and then I saw the rear light bar in my mirror and liked that. So they got the lights right IMHO. After seeing this “taxi’s” styling I could see those light bars becoming Tesla’s signature look.
For individual buyers, since the vision stuff is cameras only, a regular Tesla should be able to do the same, including being summoned from anywhere to take you anywhere (e.g. you took the bus to the office but want your car in the evening, so you tell it to come get you), so why would anyone buy this instead of a full-fat Tesla?
Presumably if cheaper or space limited? Or I guess if they primarily want to use it to run a private service taxi?
None of that stuff is ever gonna happen. And why would you take the bus in the morning and then have your fsd car (it’ll never happen) make the same trip (empty!) so you can take your car home, presumably because you have errands to do on the way home?
It’s great! Now you get to schlep your own luggage while holding your fussing baby. And your spouse can take the next one, because two seats.
Wtf.
How are they going to stop extra people from getting in and sitting on another’s lap?
Sitting, or “sitting.”
First one, then the other
that car fucks. 100% that car is doing all the fucking
The main reason that inductive charging for cars hasn’t become a thing already is that it’s very wasteful unless you can be very optimal about it, like minimizing the distance between the induction coils on both sides and positioning them perfectly.
At the level of an iPhone it doesn’t matter much, but to charge a 50+ KWh battery it’s not going to be pretty.
Surely if they can make a self-driving car, they can make an automated charging cable that hooks into the car magnetically?
Well they can’t make a self-driving car, so…
Regardless, induction is at best half as efficient as plugging in with a cable directly. Meaning, you need to generate twice as much electricity in order to charge your battery. If you think the grid will struggle with charging lots of EVs the regular way, this just makes it twice as bad.
https://youtu.be/b91uyuNvGOE
Presumably they can get the car to autonomously be in *just the right spot* over the charger to minimize losses.
Maybe the car could position itself once you drive close enough, then if it has some kind of air suspension it can set it self down on the charging pad, stancebro style!
That’s a pretty good idea, like a roomba but with air ride, makes sense to me!
“Okay, we’ve got the hard bits out of the way – how we want it to look and the timeframe for release. All we need to do is make it work, and shit!”
So autonomy is just two years away huh? Sounds familiar.
What was the point of this announcement?
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This thing is never going to ship this decade.
Maintaining stock prices, maintaining the lies.
I’m not a Tesla fanboy, but I think the bigger story here are the advancements the Optimus robots are making in short order. They went from a dude in spandex dancing on stage in 2021 to an actual walking robot with pretty impressive dexterity in just a few years.
Still remains to be seen how useful it is, but we’re approaching iRobot / Detroit: Become Human remarkably quickly.
I don’t think they are ahead of anyone there. It’s more that the rest of the folks on this field don’t get all the free press that Elon does, and they’ve mostly moved away from humanoid robots because they aren’t particularly practical or cost effective for the use cases they want to cover.
I actually follow the humanoid robot field pretty closely as my company’s products go into many of them. I’m well aware Tesla isn’t the only player, and I didn’t say they were ahead of anyone else, but they went from nothing to where they are today in three years. Boston Dynamics has spent 11 years on Atlas, Agility Robotics was founded in 2015, but Digit has been in development since at least 2008 during my undergrad.
Figure AI is making impressive progress.
I also know the demo Optimus robots aren’t truly autonomous, but even just a dexterous hand and walking around isn’t easy.
Humanoid robots make sense for human work environments where a factory built for a human workforce can’t easily be retooled for automation. There’s a lot of jobs just moving things around or boxing/shipping highly varied products that make sense for humanoid robots. They may not work as efficiently as a person per hour, but they can work 24/7 and have very low running costs.
Boston Dynamics’ Atlas HD can leap, dance, throw things, and do flips. They’re replacing it because it’s obsolete now. BD is a $1.1b company.
James Bruton, a random Youtuber, designed and built a self-balancing robot dog with machine vision target recognition and a nerf blaster. From scratch. In one year.
The fact that Tesla — a $700b company — spent three years making a robot that timidly shuffles along is an embarrassment. It’s nearly as big of a self-own as the Cybertruck’s broken windows. Underneath the cultivated sci-fi aesthetics, there lies a machine that is so phoned-in that you could be forgiven for assuming it was built in 2014.
Of course, Tesla isn’t really trying to make a product, they’re trying to put on a show for investors who like to pretend they’re tech savvy. They only care about the aesthetics, the trappings of futurism, so that’s all Tesla bothers pursuing these days.
Why am I reminded of Preston Tucker?
Not fair! Tuckers actually exist and function. This will not.
Tucker actually had a product and plan. The fact that Detroit (and their tame senator) torpedoed his finances and kept him from the plant that he had already acquired access to didn’t help.
Those are not stainless steel body panels, right?
Why does an autonomous car need headlights? Yes, you need some kind of indicators so people see it coming at night, but that’s about it.
The “night vision” infrared emitter in the Tesla is inferior to headlights. They need the headlights because they don’t have radar or lidar.
Besides the law requiring it, my guess is it is for the passengers. Even if self driving works I wouldn’t get in that car at night if I can’t see whether it is going the right way or not.
2027: https://www.theautopian.com/tesla-cybercab-this-is-it/
2022: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-says-full-self-driving-will-be-self-driving-1849468102
2021: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3635244/tesla-fsd-elon-musk-full-self-driving-mode-autopilot-driverless/
2020: https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-self-driving-tesla-artificial-intelligence-a9634311.html
2019: https://www.ccn.com/musk-tesla-cars-fully-autonomous-in-2019/
2018: https://www.zdnet.com/article/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-gets-full-self-driving-features-in-august-update/
2017: https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/19/13340938/tesla-autopilot-update-model-3-elon-musk-update
2016: he actually thought it would take 2 years
2015: https://fortune.com/2015/12/21/elon-musk-interview/
2014: https://www.intelligentliving.co/elon-musk-says-next-years-tesla-cars-will-able-self-drive-90-time/
Only 13 years late. Who honestly thinks it’ll be ready this time?
The highest quality thing Tesla builds is the mirage in the heads of their fanboys and investors.
This is a cute little design, but I thought you said he was announcing a taxi?
A London Cab is a taxi. An NV200 is a taxi. Hell, a Crown Vic is a taxi. This is not a taxi.
Anything is possible when you add the prefix Cyber or Giga.
I actually like the design, but if the autonomous driving skill isn’t there yet why not sell a proper Tesla with gullwings in the meantime?
Well there’s the Model X, which gets all wet inside if you open the rear doors while it’s raining…
Yeah that’s just the physical manifestation of Elon’s drug habit.