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Why The Fast And The Furious Cinematic Universe Is Better Than The Marvel Or Star Wars Universes

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“I don’t have friends, I got family.” With those words, Domenic Toretto establishes an ethos that defines the Fast and the Furious Cinematic Universe or F&FCU. While it lacks the long reach of the Star Wars Canon or the budgets of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), I will argue in this post that the F&FCU is actually the superior cinematic universe. While this might sound like a flypaper take designed to trap irate Doctor Strange fans, it’s something I honestly believe. Also, none of this matters, so let’s have some fun.

While the MCU now covers more than 30 films and (maybe) various television shows, the F&FCU is a relatively small ten films with one spinoff (Hobbs & Shaw) and two short films. You could watch all of this in a a long weekend with friends if wanted to as opposed to, say, everything in the modern Star Wars Canon.

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I’m not only going to tell you why you should watch these films, stick around for an argument for the order I’d watch the films in if you find my points persuasive. I’m also going to add one film to the F&FCU that most people don’t think of as a Fast And Furious film but, in many ways, also captures one of the strengths of the series.

Crack open a Corona, we’re doing this.

The Fast And Furious Movies Are Extremely Movies, Which Makes Them Extremely Fun

FastandfuriousbriandomPeople get upset when you talk about the MCU or the various Star Wars projects because, while there’s a shared storyline, they can be very different things. For example: people are super mad online at the moment that Jack Black showed up in The Mandalorian, since I guess every show needs to be Andor now (not everything needs to be Andor, even if Andor rules).  How do you square Wanda VisionEternalsAnt Man, and Agents of Shield? You don’t. While they share a base of characters, each show or film is a reflection of the individual creators.

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I find that when people have a disdain for the Fast And Furious movies it’s a general sense that the movies are dumb, vapid entertainment. This isn’t (entirely) true! I also find that most people have only maybe seen the first film or, perhaps, random clips of other movies on planes. One of the strengths of the MCU and parts of the Star Wars universe is that they’re designed to make you feel smarter/cooler by picking up small references to other films. There isn’t a lot of that in the F&FCU films, but they do have an overarching story and watching them randomly can cause you to miss the evolution of the characters and storylines.

Still, you can watch any F&FCU film and have fun because, at its heart, any Fast And The Furious film only takes itself so seriously. They are not deeply nourishing films and they don’t pretend to be. Most of the MCU and later Star Wars films are the same way, and yet there’s this huge pretension around them. I think this attitude does them a disservice and is largely not deserved (I’ll grant that Rogue One is worthy of the attention). Even my favorite MCU film, Thor: Ragnarok, is still an action movie meant primarily to provide about two hours of entertainment.

Every single Fast And Furious film is an enjoyable romp with amazing cameos (Helen Mirren!), wild cars, stellar practical stunts, occasionally inspired writing, and a consistent ideological message. The actors may take their parts seriously (ahem, Vin Diesel), but the movies are enjoyable because they never ask you to do anything other than enjoy them.

The F&FCU Presents A Remarkably Coherent Take On Diversity

The Fast CrewOk, they’re not serious films. This doesn’t mean they aren’t important. I’m not even the first to defend these movies. Critic Wesley Morris was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for writing about the F&FCU and won! You should read his essay on the topic, which centers around the idea that the F&FCU presents a truly post-racial universe in a way almost no other film series has:

Go on and laugh your Benetton, Kumbaya, Kashi, quinoa laugh, but it’s true: The most progressive force in Hollywood today is the “Fast and Furious” movies. They’re loud, ludicrous, and visually incoherent. They’re also the last bunch of movies you’d expect to see in the same sentence as “incredibly important.” But they are—if only because they feature race as a fact of life as opposed to a social problem or an occasion for self-congratulation. (And this doesn’t even account for the gay tension between the male leads, and the occasional crypto-lesbian make-out.)

The fifth installment, “Fast Five,” comes out Friday, and unlike most movies that feature actors of different races, the mixing is neither superficial nor topical. It has been increasingly thorough as the series goes on—and mostly unacknowledged.

It’s important that films address social issues and the role race plays in society, certainly, deserves frequent scrutiny. The F&FCU is loud about, well, everything, and yet does achieve something wonderful in the way it can feature an enormously diverse cast so quietly.

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This extends beyond race to gender, as well, with no real distinctions being made between men and women with regards to their ability to:

  • Drive cars fast
  • Take punches
  • Shoot guns
  • Jump off of things

The four traits I just described are the most cherished in the F&FCU, of course, and, Michele Rodriguez’s Letty, arguably can take a punch better than Ludacris’s Tej. Gal Gadot’s Gisele can easily outshoot Tyrese’s Roman.

The Fast And Furious Films Have The Best Cameos

Helen Mirren FastThere’s a sort of winky, fourth-wall breaking aspect to a lot of cameos in a lot of series. The James Bond films are probably the worst at this (Oh, look, it’s Richard Branson), but the MCU does this with Stan Lee (funny the first six times!), and, for some reason every storm trooper in a Star Wars movie has to be someone famous. It’s a fine schtick, I guess, even if it tends to lose its punch over time.

Actors who pop up in the Fast And Furious films earn their damn paychecks.

Kurt Russell as Mr. Nobody

Kurt Russell is cool. The sunglasses-wearing-secret-agent-boss is a huge trope in spy movies (which is what the later films become) and, yet, the CIA boss Mr. Nobody as played by Russell manages to subvert the expectations a touch with his laid back cool. Plus, he enjoys a nice Belgian beer. He shows up in Furious 7 and kinda never leaves, mostly because he’s extremely great.

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Hellen Mirren as Magdalene “Queenie” Shaw

There’s a great The Onion bit about the five-year old screenwriter of the fifth Fast and Furious movie, with the implication being that all the movies are just VROOM VROOM and BIG EXPLOSION. That’s not completely wrong. Those are the two things promised in every F&FCU film. At the same time, the twists and turns are real. This is well represented by Hellen Mirren’s “Queenie,” the matriarch of a crime family that includes Jason Statham’s Deckard Shaw and his supercharged siblings. Holy shit is she fantastic. There’s no phoning it in. Here’s a clip of her robbing a jewelry store opening and then running off in a damn Noble M600! Just the way she says “Dominic Tor-ehto” in her cockney accent is worth the price of admission.

Zachary Ty Bryan as the Jock Kid

Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift is, in my opinion, the best sequel, and it doesn’t hurt that the older kid from Home Improvement plays a high school jerk. It’s extremely Friday Night Lights and it works extremely well as a prologue to a movie premised on the extremely southern Lucas Black moving to Japan and befriending Lil’ Bow Wow to race against the nephew of some yakuza. What a weird sentence.

Ronda Rousey as a Bodyguard

RonadrouseyThe Furious 7 fight between UFC champ Ronda Rousey and Michelle Rodriguez is an all-timer. It’s not an exactly difficult part for Rousey to play, but it’s still a lot of fun to watch. When she drawls out “You ain’t that charming bitch” it’s worth a real big laugh in the theater.

Everyone Else

Other famous cameos include Minka Kelly, Iggy Azalea, Rita Ora (who?), and Keiichi Tsuchiya. Even Gina Carano shows up as someone you think is good but is actually terrible (what a shock…).

The Cars Are Exceptional

Space ScortI think the series tends to be painted by the first film, which is the one I think almost everyone has seen. The cars in that film tend towards NOPI Nationals-era JDM (Supras, Civics, S2ks), with a healthy dose of American Muscle (SVT Lightning and Dodge Charger). While those types of cars continue to appear in later films, there’s a remarkably diverse set of vehicles across the series.

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[Editor’s Note: Okay, I snuck in that one from here. Sorry, Matt. – JT]

Here’s a list of some random prominent cars: 1970 Plymouth Barracuda, Ford Escort MK1 RS1600, Jensen Interceptor, WRX STi GH, Alfa Romeo Giulietta 940, Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, Eagle Speedster, Ferrari FXX, 1972 Dodge Charger Daytona. Wait, they’re not random at all, those are the featured cars in just one film (Fast and Furious 6)!

Did I mention they shoot a Pontiac Fiero into space?

Han Lue

SungkangsnackThere are characters and there are characters. I’m talking about the Harry Lime of Orson Welles, the Mags Bennett of beloved character actress Margot Martindale, and the Harry Caul of Gene Hackman. I’ll add Han Lue (aka Han Seoul-Oh) of these films, portrayed sympathetically by Sung Kang, to this list. This isn’t to denigrate any of the other performances, but there is something special about Kang’s Han that makes the films rewarding to watch.

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First of all, Kang is a legit and delightful car person. I’ve had the chance to talk cars with him on a couple of occasions and he’s inquisitive and warm. I highly recommend this write-up from Kristen Lee over at The Drive if you want to learn more about Kang.

He first shows up in a non-F&FCU film as Han in director Justin Lin’s excellent “Better Luck Tomorrow” as a petty criminal whose crimes start to spiral out of control. I’d argue, actually, that this is an F&FCU film as both Lin and Kang have both said it’s the same Han.

Han is the perfect foil to Vin Diesel’s Dom, who always seems to be carrying a classic Dodge Charger on his shoulders. Han, by comparison, is relaxed and approachable, constantly snacking on chips. His story arc with Gisele is also one of the more surprising and enjoyable subplots in any series.

Some Of The Writing/Directing Is Actually Good

I know this is going to be hard to believe, but the writing and directing in the film, while inconsistent, occasionally reaches pretty great heights. I mentioned Harry Lime on purpose, because there’s a great scene with Han in Tokyo Drift that’s kind of the ideological inverse of Lime’s similar speech in The Third Man. In fact, I wonder if that isn’t a reference?

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I’d also argue, in Furious 7, the Paul Walker speech where he tries to explain his feelings about his quieter life as a dad by saying “I miss the bullets” is also excellent dialogue.

The directors are also quite good. There’s Justin Lin, who also directed all of your favorite episodes of Community. There’s the John Singleton (Boyz n the Hood) and F. Gary Gray (Both Friday and the TLC “Waterfalls” video).

One of the places where I think the directing excels is in the balancing of practical and CGI stunts. Check out this chase:

There’s definitely some CGI in there, but you get a nice mix of both. It’s like this throughout the series, blending the real and the virtual.

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There Are Exceptional Villains

CipherThere’s an argument to be made that the baddies are more fun than the do-gooders, though most of the characters in these films exist on a pretty wide continuum. It’s easy to forget antagonists like Mose Jakande (played by Djimon Hounsou) and Brixton Lore (played by Idris Elba) because they exist in the same universe as Sonny Chiba’s stellar Kamata (in Tokyo Drift), Jason Statham as Deckard Shaw, and freakin’ Academy Award winner Charlize Theron as Cipher.

Honestly, Charlize Theron and her crazy haircuts are worth of their own post at some point in the future.

They Aren’t Perfect But, Again, Who Cares

TyreseThe MCU, especially post-Endgame, is just exhausting. Star Wars fans have mostly ruined Star Wars and are somehow more factionalized than the world the films created. The F&FCU is extremely flawed, in ways that are sometimes even worse than either of the other universes. For instance:

  • A lot of people are probably dead as collateral damage, which is rarely remarked on.
  • The series goes from B-movie crime spree to extreme/dark thriller to over-the-top spy movies too quickly, with little transition.
  • While the stunts are fun to watch, they’re often comically unrealistic even by movie standards.
  • Because of a weird charter issue, the actual release order of the films does not match the chronological order, which means you have to accept some huge anachronisms.

You know what the best part about any F&FCU film is? I ain’t gotta mute my tweets because I’m tired of people complaining about it. The weird ret-cons, the infinitely long runways, and 900-gear shifters are part of the silly universe and fans seem to be able to accept that without getting all bent out of shape.

How You Should Watch The Films

Fast X is coming out next month so now is as good a time as any to catch up on the films. Here’s the order I’d watch with a little explanation for what to expect when you watch them. This is watching them in the chronological order:

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Better Luck Tomorrow –  “Better Luck Tomorrow” only includes Han and, because Han is in high school, seems to pre-date the original “The Fast and the Furious.” If there’s one overarching message of the film series it’s not that you’ve got to help friends, it’s that you’re responsible for your actions and your actions will always find you. In this way, “BLT” is a fitting prequel.

The Fast And The Furious – This is the original and, probably, the best. This is where you learn who all the main characters are and you get the best tuna-related jokes.

Turbo-Charged Prelude – No, not that kind of Prelude. This short film tries to explain how we go from the Vin Diesel-led movie to a film where Ludacris, Tyrese and Paul Walker jet around Florida for Eva Mendes. It also has Minka Kelly in it. This was back when the films tried to make sense of things. You can watch the whole thing above.

2 Fast 2 Furious – Some would argue that this is the worst film in the franchise. I would not. It has a lot of silly car fun and you get Tyrese saying “Ejecto Seat Cuz” as well as the introduction of Ludacris and Tyrese (the Rosencrans and Guildenstern of the series).

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Los Bandoleros – Here’s another weird one. You would think that Fast and Furious 3: Tokyo Drift would be the next film. It’s not. In the F&FCU universe you have to wait a while. Instead, you get this short film directed and written by Vin Diesel. A lot of it’s in Spanish and it sets up the events of Fast & Furious (the fourth film). I have terrible news for you: It’s kinda good. We also get introduced to Tego and Don Omaro.

Fast & Furious – This is where the films transition from fun crime films to darker and grittier. This is, in my opinion, the actual worst film in the series. It’s fine to watch and we get introduced to Gal Gadot’s Gisele. It is tonally off a little bit.

FastfiveFast Five – Great car chases. Bank vaults. And, of course, The Rock. The showdown between The Rock’s Agent Hobbs and Vin Diesel’s Toretto are legendary. We’re still in the gritty era and it is, I think, the best of those films.

Fast & Furious 6 (Up to the credit sequence) – Who names these things? Great cars. Great bad guy (Luke Evans). You have to pause before you get to the credits.

Tokyo Drift – This is no longer a controversial argument, but aside from the original film, Tokyo Drift has the most fun and heart in the entire series. It’s my favorite of the films, even if it’s not the best.

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Fast & Furious 6 Credit Sequence – I guess it’s a huge spoiler to explain why you have to do this so I won’t, so just trust me. This is where we meet Jason Statham who is, like he is in everything, freakin’ great.

Furious 7 – The OG Statham movie and where we, sadly, have to say good by to Paul Walker’s character (RIP Paul Walker).

The Fate of the Furious – This is the first of the superhero/superspy film period and we get, as a reward, Charlize Theron as the perfect bad guy. Also Kurt Russell shows up.

Fast And Furious Presents: Hobbs and Shaw – More of Helen Mirren’s kids show up, which means more of Helen Mirren. Yippee!

F9 – Pushing the racial ambiguity of Vin Diesel and the series to the limit, we get John Cena as Dom’s long lost brother. We also get flying cars, Charlize Theron again, and more Helen Mirren. Also… Space Fiero.

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Fast X – Coming to theaters next month with, and I’m not joking about this, Jason Momoa on a motorcycle, Brie Larson, and even Rita Moreno.

Enjoy!

[Editor’s Note: I can’t sit through these fucking movies. I can’t not be exasperated by the way all the main characters seem to be able to take several pianos to the face without flinching or just accept it when they drive a Lykan Hypersport with shit brakes from one skyscraper to another through the air or not dry heave a little bit every time whatshisname says “fambly.” 

I can’t just take scenes shot like this as fine:

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But, what Matt has done is make me feel like a bit of a pompous asshole who should just relax and eat some fucking candy, sometimes, so in that sense, Matt, I think you’ve done your job here. Good work? – JT]

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Not Sure
Not Sure
1 year ago

I prefer the National Geographic Cinematic Universe (NGCU).
It’s difficult enough for me to suspend my disbelief for nature documentaries.
I tried because, cars. But these movies are just too bad.
I can barely get through the linked clips.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
1 year ago
Reply to  Not Sure

Yes but now we have the history channel showing fake 40 foot sharks.

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
1 year ago

Comparing Ludacris and Tyrese to Rosencrans and Guildenstern from Hamlet is about as good as it gets. Bravo.

MrLM002
MrLM002
1 year ago

After that submarine chase scene in one of the more recent films where a Russian nuke sub was able to do ~60+ MPH on the surface while braking ice I lost the ability to enjoy the subsequent movies.

PJ
PJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MrLM002

By that point, a street racer and a ex cop had taken down 2 cartels, stole a safe from a heavily armed police station by dragging it with 2 chargers, raced down a runway that was at least 25 miles long, had a car chase with a tank, stole an EMP, had a predator drone chase them around LA, blew up a parking lot, and that was the point too far? My Brother in Christ, these movies have been ridiculous and over the top from the get go.

Eugene White
Eugene White
1 year ago

1: F&FCU makes me think Fast & Furious Credit Union, where I would absolutely do all my banking.

2: I am an old. I was 23 when the first movie came out, and as a 60s musclecar obsessive I despised the tuner scene. I saw the movie because cars, but I riduculed and disdained it.

But time marches on, we (hopefully) grow with age, and somewhere along the way hate became love. I unironically love the movies (and my car palette is now so much broader) for what they are, and don’t begrudge them for what they aren’t. They almost never forget that they need to be fun and entertaining first (though F8, not so entertaining), they’re basically good-natured, and they love cars.

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
1 year ago

You missed some! There is a whole Fast & Furious kids series called “Spy Racers.” Imagine my pleased shock when my kid name dropped “Tony Toretto” and I found out that Dom has an animated younger cousin! This lead to us watching Tokyo Drift as a family on Christmas Eve to introduce Rio to “real” Fast & Furious. We did explain at the end that Han doesn’t actually die so as to avoid a dose of childhood trauma.

Also, I’ve lost count of the number of times non-car people have said “so you’re kinda like Letty” when they hear I live a life basically devoted to cars. It makes the whole concept of “woman with wrench and racecar” a lot more approachable and understandable for folks who aren’t car enthusiasts. Letty manages to be sexy just as kind of a side note to her actual character rather than just being there for eye candy. This translates to the normal movie-viewing population having a better understanding of women who are in the car world for the *cars,* rather than the stereotypical view.

Scott Finkeldei
Scott Finkeldei
1 year ago

Quality article. This has given me the push I need to watch them all and will use this order

Koloyz
Koloyz
1 year ago

Maybe the best way to name the milieu is the “Fast and Furious Universe of Cinematic Kinship”…

To clarify: I own most of the movies and regularly rewatch them. Always wanted to paint my Sienna with a similar design, just instead of a spear, there’d be a kid hanging out on his arm.

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FlavouredMilk
FlavouredMilk
1 year ago

I’ve watched most F&F films and my personal opinion on the order to watch them is either:

TFATF > 2F2F > Tokyo Drift (stop here)

Or, just Tokyo Drift alone, because it’s the first film that really found its feet where the first two still lacked in a few areas and the last film that was about car culture not macho fighty man culture.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 year ago

Yeah, no need for persuasion here, those films are indeed an absolute blast to watch as escapist fare, especially when one vigorously suspends disbelief and assiduously ignores Isaac Newton spinning in his grave.
That said, some of the actors can be a bit problematic to watch.
“Kurt Russell is cool.” Eh, dunno, Russell is a trophy hunter, and an especially avid one at that, and that makes him deeply and intrinsically uncool…
And Ronda Rousey’s history of transphobia makes her a persona non grata…
And, as another commenter (Cayde-6) pointed out with a link to an article by Kristen Lee over at the German lighting site, Paul Walker’s personal life is damn problematic, to say the least…

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
1 year ago

So you are taking the Sheldonian path to win your argument? Just keep going and going and going until everyone leaves and then you crown yourself a winner. Well point one original Star Trek Gene Roddenberry had the first white/black kissing scene in American TV. THAT is opening eyes to the world. The fact that F&TF has all types colors etc but none of them are that bright? Well some people want to spread their wings and fly some want to lock everyone into bring everyone down. Same with car sites. Not everyone can afford expensive trucks and cars so let’s attack them and force everyone into a post apocalyptic universe where everyone is attacked for having a different viewpoint, like the Borg, also Star Trek, and force a electric stove and car on everyone because the politboro knows what you need better than you do

Bob Boxbody
Bob Boxbody
1 year ago

I’ve only ever seen Fast & Furious and it was as a rifftrax, but it is an outstanding rifftrax.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 year ago

Fun fact: in another movie*, Helen Mirren plays a former-military-spy-type-turned-freelance-assassin who works with a guy named Han and they race around London in a Lotus Exige S while Dame Helen shoots at people and flips a Range Rover (by shooting at it).

Other stuff happens, too, of course.

* Red 2

Data
Data
1 year ago

I just come here for the tuna.

I enjoy the movies for what they are, even the super spy era. I also own them all, starting with the stacked disc wheel someone gave me as a gift and then the single releases after that point.

Timothy Arnold
Timothy Arnold
1 year ago

Matt has made me agree with David, which feels very weird to me, but none of Matt’s arguments have persuaded me to watch even one of these films. It’s cool if you like them, but I’m perfectly happy never having seen them. (But Matt is right about Star Wars, sadly)

James Gawne
James Gawne
1 year ago

These movies are so, so, so dumb.

I also own every single one, will be bingeing them all prior to Fast X next month, and DEFINITELY going to see Fast X in the Dolby auditorium at my local AMC.

These movies are so, so, so dumb, and I love them.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
1 year ago

I watched CHiPs because it had motorcycles. I watch F&F because it has cars. There’s a great comedy called My Favorite Year where Peter O’Toole yells, “I’m not an actor, I’m a movie star!” There it is.

Dalton
Dalton
1 year ago

This was great, Matt! Autopian watch-a-long with the writers when??

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
1 year ago

While it’s good that everyone acknowledges that the F&F movies are dumb, the problem is that they let the dumb get in the way of fun. Shit like “two cars dragging a bank vault down asphalt at freeway speeds” is physically impossible in so many different ways that it drags you out of immersion.

——————–
Oh, and lest we all forget, F&F kept a creep who liked to “date” underage girls as one of the faces of the franchise.
https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580

Last edited 1 year ago by Cayde-6
A. Barth
A. Barth
1 year ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

Shit like “two cars dragging a bank vault down asphalt at freeway speeds” is physically impossible in so many different ways that it drags you out of immersion.

What I love about that sequence: when they were downtown, at one point the safe swings wide around a corner and crushes an econobox – just obliterates it. Then in another corner, the safe swings wide and BOUNCES OFF OF A TREE. 😀

Buzz
Buzz
1 year ago

If you like bad movie podcasts, The Worst Idea of All Time is watching and reviewing the Fast anthology in reverse order.

They are watching Fast 9 nine times, Fate of the Furious eight times, Furious 7 seven times, etc. all the way down to the first movie once. They have never seen a F&F movie prior to this endeavor.

Tim and Guy aren’t car guys, and I don’t know if I’d call them movie guys either, really. What they are are two great comedians with a wacky idea and the gumption to see it through. I highly recommend their antics.

Detroit-Lightning
Detroit-Lightning
1 year ago

These movies are the best!

Definitely was in the camp that thought they were kind of a joke, but heard the “How did this get made?” podcast talk about them…settled in with some corona’s and gave them a try…TOTALLY got it after that.

JDE
JDE
1 year ago

It kind of figures you would like the sequel which is widely considered the Halloween season of the witch of this series as “good”. but I tend to agree with the rest of this story, I do wish they would ressurect Jesse or at least acknowledge his death since they resurrected everyone else.

...getstoneyII
...getstoneyII
1 year ago

edited to add: I have nothing positive to post here. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth with a vapid reaction. I was venting, lol.

Last edited 1 year ago by ...getstoneyII
Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 year ago

Also the big event in the first movie is literally called: Race Wars

JDE
JDE
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

It was similar to various tuner events popular at the time, such as “Hot Import Nights”. A fictional name had to be used for licensing reasons

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 year ago
Reply to  JDE

But Race Wars though?

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 year ago

But where does The Fast and the Furious (1954) fit into the watch order?
What about The Fast and The Furious: A Musical Parody?

Last edited 1 year ago by Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

So do I, so badly.

Iain Tunmore
Iain Tunmore
1 year ago

And does Point Break fit into it at all, given the original The Fast & The Furious is a remake of that film?

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 year ago
Reply to  Iain Tunmore

As long as you’re referring to the original and not the remake.

If it doesn’t have Keanu shouting “I AM AN EFF. BEE. EYE. AGENT!!”, it is not Point Break.

Lew Schiller
Lew Schiller
1 year ago

Jason: Totally agree.
I’d throw in my disdain based on the first one in which thieves with no regard whatsoever for the safety or lives of the truckers they’re robbing are made out to be sympathetic heros.

TheWombatQueen
TheWombatQueen
1 year ago
Reply to  Lew Schiller

I like the movies but that part always did make me think

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