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Why The Internet Is So Mad About This BMW’s New ‘M’ Badge

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If any automaker’s caught flak on the internet for its own questionable decisions lately, it’s BMW. From bizarre styling to some excessively heavy products, there are plenty of reasons for enthusiasts to clown on the Bavarian brand, and here’s a new one. The 2025 BMW M235 sees the adoption of a new badge convention, and the culture has some feelings about it.

One notable difference is that there’s no more “i” for fuel injection as that letter’s now reserved for electric models. After all, every BMW with a combustion engine is fuel-injected now anyway. However, deletion of that letter isn’t what’s getting people in a puff this time, nor is the M prefix alone doing all the lifting in this instance of outrage.

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Instead, BMW’s put the “35” bit of M235 in what can almost be described as subscript, and that’s rattled the cages of some enthusiast customers that BMW really shouldn’t be upsetting. Keep in mind, the M235 looks like a regular compact sedan and is based on a front-wheel-drive platform usually found under Minis. Not the most M thing out there, right?

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Over on the populous BMW enthusiast forum Bimmerpost, things aren’t going well for the new M235, with specific mention of the badge. As one commenter who claims to own an M2 CS, one of the best modern M cars, wrote:

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Now I skimmed the above in 10 secs, for the record…but screams to me as further dilution of the dedicated M brand…most telling from the rear end with the quad tips / big M2(small35)…soon enough, maybe we’ll make an M2 SUV as well and a 4 door 1 series! Really loved this brand…but with every new model release, that love is fading. Now, the real question – will my love affair with the E46 / E9X / F87 be impacted by the direction the brand is heading…a few years ago, I thought it didn’t matter…but that’s changing…

Yeah, it’s not so great when people who seem to buy actual halo products are putting a product on blast like this. Oh, and there’s a whole lot more where that came from.

 

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BMW M235 Badge

BMW M235 badge

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Well, that’s a bunch of people with full-fat M cars in their signatures and bios and avatars putting the new M235 Gran Coupe’s badging on blast, and more importantly, they’re people with recent examples of those cars. If I were a brand, I wouldn’t want to upset those sorts of customers. Oh, and the distaste for this new badging convention doesn’t just stop at one forum.

M235 Gran Coupe Badging

On a post specifically about the badging in the private Facebook group Anti-BMW BMW Club, one commenter let the following rip:

Just when I thought the new 2 series couldn’t get any worse aesthetically. BMW is really going for every bad decision they can make.

The vitriol’s spilling over into real life, too. As a friend of David Tracy summed up the M235 Gran Coupe:

It’s an enormous poser. And BMW is pushing the posing. To make the 35 smaller font and essentially have an M2 badge on it is dismissing the meaning of the M badge even more than M Sport and M SUVs. Calling it an M235 was bad enough. There was a real M235i. I raced one

So, how did we get here? About a decade ago, BMW rolled out the first of what many enthusiasts call M-Lite models by replacing the 135i coupe with the M235i coupe. Yep, to cash in on the appeal of the M brand, BMW slapped M Sport goodies on a selection of higher-output not-full-M cars, slapped the M badge in front of three-digit names, and proceeded to collect checks. It was still controversial back then, but at least the initial approach had some level of exclusivity to it. At the time, few predicted that the M2 would happen, and with the 2 Series coupe being the smallest rear-wheel-drive BMW sold in America, the M-Lite was a neat consolation prize.

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However, over the past decade, the M-Lite branding has expanded to just about every model in BMW’s lineup. It’s weird to see a motorsport badge on a giant X7 SUV, or an electric 5 Series that’s not track-focused in the slightest, but it’s not as weird as seeing this new badge configuration.

BMW M235 Badge

By badging the 35 bit of the M235 in differing font sizes, BMW appears to be trying to tie this entry-level sedan in with an actual performance car that already exists. See, there is an actual BMW M2, and it’s a 453-horsepower rear-wheel-drive sports coupe with an available manual transmission, a limited-slip differential, beefy brakes, stiff suspension, and all the sort of serious hardware you’d expect from an M car. It’s about as far away from a stretched Mini sedan in Dodge Dart-aping bodywork as you can get, and if anything, minimizing the engine description numbers on the M235’s badge and seemingly trying to lump this sedan in with the M2 coupe is more likely to hurt the M brand than help the sales of this particular car. Add in the perspective that this badging makes it seem that being a BMW alone wouldn’t make the M235 sporty enough, and that ought to worry important people in Munich.

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BMW’s identity for most of the past 50-plus years has been as a maker of performance luxury cars. Even many of the slower ones like the E30 318i still drew acclaim for the way they drove, and there was this sense of authenticity that permeated the lineup. No matter whether you bought a 3 Series or a 7 Series, it would still drive like a BMW. That was the defining characteristic, the thing that made BMW a success story, partly because authenticity is cool. Even yuppies knew that, and in their cosmopolitan greed-is-good pursuit of the finer things in life, they helped elevate cars like the E30 3 Series from curious foreign automobiles to new status symbols.

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BMW M235 Gran Coupe

Zoom in on 2024, and the current BMW lineup is known more for controversial styling than providing an outstanding driving experience. Well, controversial styling combined with heavy performance cars and a focus on gadgets. Many long-time BMW enthusiasts aren’t fans of this current direction, but that doesn’t matter because BMW’s market share is still rising. Last year was BMW’s best-ever sales year in America, and at the end of the day, that’s what keeps the lights on.

However, it might not necessarily keep the lights on this brightly forever. See, mainstream luxury brands need people to buy and covet their high-end halo cars because those actions reinforce status. Devaluing the M badge in turn devalues the BMW badge, and if the customers that make a brand desirable start to leave, well, you kind of end up with Cadillac circa 1998.

BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe

As it stands, BMW isn’t the same sort of enthusiast brand it once was. The only constant is change, and sometimes your old favorites move on from catering to your needs. The badging on the M235 is just a symptom of change, a new direction that’s working for now, but may or may not work forever. After all, if you want to know what the yuppies who made BMW big in North America drive today, just ask your local Porsche salesperson.

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Kaiserserserser
Kaiserserserser
4 hours ago

There are few things in life that I enjoy more finding out someone is a BMW enthusiast/purist and promptly finding a way to mention that I think M-sport or any other BMW with an M in the name and more than one number after it is a “real M car”

It’s kind of like if you meet someone who went to Harvard and you pretend to have never heard of that school before.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 hour ago

The M###i cars actually came FIRST, before the original M1 and M3. They ARE as real as any other “M” car. None of which are particularly “real” past the e30 and e28 M3 and M5 (and given it was NOT a homologation special like the M3, the original M5 is arguable too). All since are really just marketing to pry more dollars out of the punters.

I loved ’70s-’10s BMWs, but they are rather dead to me today. Which is fine, I have my pair that I will likely keep forever, and e91 and an e88, both 2011 vintage 28i’s. Peak BMW, IMHO, before the shark jumping began.

Acid Tonic
Acid Tonic
4 hours ago

They are just having their Audi S-Class moment.

Watching a sporty badge get replaced with a cosplay-friendly badge but keep the same name….

They get sales from the fools until the informed let them know they were duped.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 hour ago
Reply to  Acid Tonic

Absolutely no one cares but some keyboard warriors who are never going to buy them new anyway.

Tom Trutna
Tom Trutna
4 hours ago

My suggestion for BMW’s naming hierarchy, using the 2 series as an example.
235, m235, turbo235.

Beto O'Kitty
Beto O'Kitty
4 hours ago

My suggestion would be just to go to the parts department or your local hardware store and buy a 3 and a 5 in the desired size!

Jeremy Aber
Jeremy Aber
4 hours ago

I always thought the Saab 9-3 and 9-5 badging with the second number as subscript looked classy, but then these are BMW fanatics we’re talking about here, not people with taste 😛

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
4 hours ago

After all, if you want to know what the yuppies who made BMW big in North America drive today,…”

We yuppies who made BMW a big deal are now in our 70s and 80s and most likely driving something comfortable and low-maintenance, maybe with a rack for a mobility device on the back.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
5 hours ago

This is me trying to figure out BMW’s naming scheme right now:
https://uploads.dailydot.com/2023/11/charlie-day-meme.jpg?q=65&auto=format&w=1600&ar=2:1&fit=crop

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
5 hours ago

Cool: now I can swap my M badge for a WRX one and call it a protest

Mike F.
Mike F.
5 hours ago

What this all really speaks to is the success BMW has had over the years in putting out driver-focused cars. They brought in a LOT of customers who really appreciate tight cars that handle very well but which can also hold four people in reasonable comfort. Great daily drivers for folks who want to fling the car down a canyon road on their day off. Now, BMW has recognized that they can sell more cars to people who’ve never driven a car quickly on a twisty road so long as they’re plush and full of the latest techno-gizmos, and that those folks can be suckered into thinking they’ve bought an “ultimate driving machine” with cosmetics that have an “M” on them. Of course the previous group of customers is understandably disappointed! Brand loyalty is a real thing. If the Foo Fighters pivoted to doing nothing but obscure French opera or the Oakland A’s decided to sell off all of their good players and turn their stadium into an ugly pit and move to Vegas (oh, wait a minute), their fans would be pissed, too. The current long-term BMW fans will get over it someday and maybe even buy Bimmers, once they’re in their 80’s and don’t drive over 55 mph, anyway.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
5 hours ago
Reply to  Mike F.

Brand loyalty is a real thing.”

But it’s often a one-way thing.

Mike F.
Mike F.
3 hours ago

Ultimately, yes. But BMW fostered that loyalty for many years. That all makes their (perhaps inevitable) switch to making cars for a different demographic all that harder for the loyalists to take.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
3 hours ago
Reply to  Mike F.

Brand loyalty is sort of a hopeful, willful naivete that has the loyalists imagining the company is in business just to please their customers, not primarily to make as much money as they can.

Mike F.
Mike F.
3 hours ago

I guess, but it also appears to be a part of human nature.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Mike F.
Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
53 minutes ago
Reply to  Mike F.

It just doesn’t matter. Those of us who loved the feel of BMWs of the past are such a tiny minority that we simply don’t matter. Look at how many people LOVE the naked mole rat look (or the Bangle-mangles before them). Tastes change, and if BMW still tried to make nothing be e30s they would have long since gone bankrupt.

Doesn’t mean I have any interest in buying any more new ones, but I freely admit I am simply not the target market anymore. They absolutely, 100% know what they are doing, and are smiling all the way to the bank these days. Thankfully, plenty of low-mile creampuff examples of the BMWs that I like out there. And they are lots cheaper than the new ones – bonus!

I am happy that I got to do European Delivery for a pair of new ones. Still have the first one, e91 6spd RWD 328i wagon, plan to be buried in it. The second one, well, that M235i just did not inspire the love from me for various reasons and it was fairly quickly traded for a GTI Sport (that I was a fool to part with – sigh).

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Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
5 hours ago

https://9gag.com/gag/a5RGrrL

s/non-BMWs/non-real-M-cars

Bring back the BMW of the bunny ad. You know the one.

Mr E
Mr E
5 hours ago

Easy fix: make it a lower-case m.

With a clown face in the middle.

StupidAmericanPig
StupidAmericanPig
6 hours ago

To me peak BMW was the 1994-1995 BMW M5. It was the best looking BMW, could be had with a manual transmission and had just the right mix of luxury and sport. I wish I could find one in great condition and be able to afford it.

Aaron Slater
Aaron Slater
6 hours ago

Just like attaching the Mustang name to an electric crossover, carmakers only see dollar signs related to their performance marques. As long as people buy the cars, the shareholders are happy, and carmakers will continue doing it.

Welcome to the 21st century, brought to you by Pepsi. We don’t care about the consumer, only our stock price.

Last edited 6 hours ago by Aaron Slater
Logan King
Logan King
6 hours ago

I mean even the actual M BMWs are shit at this point so it seems a lost cause now.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
6 hours ago

Ahh, the internet, outrage, vitriol, shouty, shout, shout, don’t buy one, no one has a gun to your head.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
6 hours ago

I get the outrage. But this has been happening for so long I hardly care anymore. You can get the M badge on almost anything. At one point it was reserved for special models. Now, it might just mean sportier wheels and some stripes on the grill. They’ve been cheapening the M brand for the better part of the last 20 years.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
6 hours ago

I find that the best course of action as concerns modern BMW is to care as little as possible.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
5 hours ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

Insert any brand of any product in there.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
50 minutes ago

The M badge as option package dates back to the late 70s in the rest of the world. <shrug>

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 hours ago

9 out of 10 prison inmates BMW buyers can’t tell Baconesque M-style from real Bacon M.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
49 minutes ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

For 90% of BMW buyers (and really more like 99.9%), the M### are more fit for purpose than the M# cars anyway,

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
6 hours ago

It’s cool how KIA is now selling cars with black wheels that are pre-curbed for you.

Wish I could buy a new E30 318is

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
48 minutes ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

You and me both – I had two of them.

Though if you are implying that BMWs look like KIAs, don’t be ridiculous – KIA, and everyone else, copies BMW.

Crest07
Crest07
6 hours ago

This is really dumb. BMW is forgetting that real M enthusiasts are an angry bunch. Also, if all your cars are special M’s, none are special.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 hours ago
Reply to  Crest07

They don’t butter BMW’s toast like the scores of buyers getting dolled up versions of their regular cars.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
6 hours ago
Reply to  Crest07

Well, at least they drive like they’re an angry bunch…

Rob Schneider
Rob Schneider
6 hours ago

The model badge looks like something I’d expect on one of those new KN cars.

Thomas Vanden Abeele
Thomas Vanden Abeele
7 hours ago

Your ending phrase about all previous BMW-driving yups buying Porsches is funny (and a bit sad) because when Porsche released the Cayenne Al Ries (a marketing strategist) predicted that Porsche would dilute and weaken their brand image and positioning, coasting off the 911’s success for a while but ultimately hollowing out the brand. We all know how that turned out for Porsche.

I wouldn’t worry about diluting the BMW brand too much. Make the grill bigger and maybe all those Porsche-driving yups might switch back again.

Peter d
Peter d
6 hours ago

If only it was that simple – my day-dream car shopping suggests that any equivalent Porsche is tens of thousands more than BMW. When doing said shopping I hate that I need to remember to keep scrolling past the number-series-ed cars and all the way to M if I want to see what is available for 340i’s. Porsche is getting slightly more consideration now that BMW no longer has physical buttons & knobs – this used to make them much preferred to the Porsche which had the goofy touch-screen buttons.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
7 hours ago

Or is it just subscript denoting that there are 35 M2’s to form this molecule?

Davey
Davey
7 hours ago

They’re catering to the overwhelming majority of people who drive BMWs: people who lease. They want the best badge for 2 years, then onto the next. Reliability or a logical number system doesn’t matter if it gets traded within 2 years, then sold to some poor dummy who thinks BMW still equals the ultimate driving machine.

BMW is not making cars for, or going after the people who keep their cars 10+ years. Those years are long behind us.
I live in Ottawa, and the only people who drive BMWs are diplomats and new students from overseas, take a guess to how many of those ‘sales’ are leases.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
7 hours ago
Reply to  Davey

This is the case with all German luxury brands other than Porsche. They are built to last through a lease and then an additional year or two after that when they’re sold certified. Once that clock hits they quite literally self destruct. 60,000 miles tends to be the danger zone for modern German cars.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
4 hours ago

Solid take. Can confirm. 2008 X3 Msport with regular maintenance and stored in heated garage got real crappy by 2015… so many leaks and repairs needed but my 250,000 mile Silverado just kept going without issues. Huh ????

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
7 hours ago

I went on the record as saying I actually like the styling of this and that I don’t hate the idea of a FWD based performance luxury car. I don’t think even the biggest curmudgeons out there would try to argue that an S3, Integra Type S, etc. are invalid. There’s space for it in the market and at the price point because you might be able to woo a few Civic Type R/Golf R/etc. buyers, and like it or not a lot of people would rather have an automatic and Honda/Acura will never offer one in the CTR/ITS.

…but this shit is rather infuriating, and while I try my best to have a live and let live attitude towards what people want to drive this really does scream poser. I mean…the M2 is a weighty name in car enthusiasm and this definitely feels like it’s stealing the M2’s valor….and I can’t help but picture an obnoxious 20 something tech bro leasing one and telling everyone he has an M2. Cringe.

Also, if anyone cares about another update, my Kona N had the exact same issue again and they’re telling me it may need a full engine replacement. At 15,500 miles. Absolutely unbelievable. The horror stories of the Ns blowing up are really piling up on the forums as well, so if you’re thinking of one, please skip it. Most of us are in a world of pain right now and you know something is very very fucked if they’re talking about replacing the entire engine.

I thought I’d give Korean cars a chance. Never again. Fingers crossed that Hyundai will even cover it because they LOVE denying warranty claims. But if that happens they’ll have to deal with my attorney. Anyway-has anyone gone through a manufacturer buy back before? I’m planning on calling corporate and at this stage the ideal outcome is probably forcing Hyundai to buy the damn car back….but I know it’s a very long shot.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
6 hours ago

Damn dude. Sorry to hear about the N! Yeah Hyundai has to deny warranty claims to stay in business at this point because if they paid them all they’d be bankrupt by now. Good luck and keep us posted. Getting them to buy it back only really happens if you can get it declared a lemon and it has to be down for a specific number of days in a year or something like that so that’s unfortunately not likely.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
6 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Fortunately for Hyundai everything about the car went to shit immediately after it wasn’t lemon-able anymore! How convenient. I lost AC before all of this nonsense as well.

Peter d
Peter d
6 hours ago

So sorry to hear about this – you had been really enjoying this car!

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 hours ago
Reply to  Peter d

And he’d been convincing me this sort of thing was a great route to everyday fun behind the wheel. Damn. Sorry to hear about it Nsane and hope it’s resolved to your satisfaction!

Andrew Wyman
Andrew Wyman
6 hours ago

Ouch. Sorry to hear that the problem is back. I’ll cross my fingers for a resolution that is in your favor on the N. I like the styling on them, and am sad to hear the mechanical side can’t hold up.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
6 hours ago
Reply to  Andrew Wyman

I’m not the only one either. Elantra and Kona Ns are grenading left and right.

3Point8IsGreat
3Point8IsGreat
6 hours ago

Well this certainly doesn’t make me feel better about the future for my VN. Best of luck getting your issues resolved.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
5 hours ago

That flat sucks. I’ve enjoyed your nuanced advocacy of the Kona N and hate to hear that it’s now a pita

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 hours ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

It sucks because it’s genuinely a great car and I’ve loved it. But for the engine to potentially be shot at 15,500 miles? That’s absolutely inexcusable….especially for a dedicated performance model.

SubieSubieDoo
SubieSubieDoo
3 hours ago

I had a Camry bought back after the Toyota snap ring incident of 2006 (15,000ish cars effected with the new transmission design?). Toyota was totally upfront about offering to install a new transmission with a 100,000 mile warranty or buying the car back for full price. I took the latter and bought an Acura TL. Much better choice if just for the TL smiles. Man, I loved that car.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
3 hours ago
Reply to  SubieSubieDoo

Honestly if they offered to buy it back I think I’d go get an Integra

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
2 hours ago

I missed the update but am now curious – if you could link/point to your last update(s)? A coworker and I were just marveling about the Elantra N too, that really stinks.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 hour ago

What happened initially is about a month ago the car went into limp mode. It wouldn’t rev over 2,000 and the check engine light came on. This coincided with a fix for a recall that many of the Ns were affected by being announced and was basically what was described in the recall. The dealership did the update for the recall, which basically involved some reprogramming.

This worked for all of two weeks. The same exact thing happened again on Saturday, but more violently. The car shook and made a loud crashing noise pulling out of a lot, and it went into limp mode again. I limped it right back to the same dealership, politely asked “yo what the fuck?” and they found the exact same code as last time came up: P132600, which had to do with the knock sensor. They told me they needed to wait until today for the master technician to take a look and sign off on everything.

Basically when I dropped the car off today they pulled up my ticket and were like “just to make you aware every time we’ve seen this it’s led to a full engine replacement”. They’re gonna give me the final word tomorrow, but none of this is encouraging…and poking around the internet about Hyundais and that code leads to a never ending sea of horror stories and owners in assorted states of distress.

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst. I’ve heard of Hyundais sitting for years waiting for engine replacements…as far as the Elantra N, DO NOT CONSIDER ONE. They’re having huge issues as well. Pretty much every car blog has a “Hyundai N owner’s car kerploded at (insert low number) miles” story. They’re piles of junk. Get a spicy Civic.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
32 minutes ago

Thanks for recapping it out, sorry you had to relive it while so fresh lol. Fortunately for me the N is more than I need for what amounts to a spirited daily driver; my coworker does have a warm Civic derivative and I’m likely heading in the same direction. It’s really too bad, the H/K products my family had from the late ’00s era were decent enough and were getting closer, and I want to recommend more of their late products but the patterns are patterning too much with all the different issues.

Davey
Davey
2 hours ago

Sorry to hear, appreciate you telling everyone here and warning us in the auto community, something that catrostrophic would turn me off a brand forever too. Currently I have Ford and BMW in my ban book, with my friends issues with Hyundai and your experience, might have to add them to the list as well.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
2 hours ago

It might not have the dub badge. But it gave you the full Volkswagen experience! Like a vampire in The Lot, everything is turning into the Questionablewagen.

V10omous
V10omous
7 hours ago

At least the smaller numbers might make it easier to forget that “35” means “2.0L 4 cylinder” now.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Welcome to who’s line is it anyway BMW and Mercedes, where the points numbers don’t matter.

Data
Data
6 hours ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

If you take 5 and subtract the 3, you get 2 (2.0 liter). Makes perfect sense.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
5 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I’m still annoyed that my 1989 E34 535i was really only 3.4 litres of glorious straight six.

Don’t get me started on my E36 323i with its surprise bonus 2.5 litre six. The badge was still a lie, and just to make the 328i seem worth buying.

I debadged my last BMW, it seemed the most honest option.

JumboG
JumboG
4 hours ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

The 328 did have 23 more HP than the 323.

JumboG
JumboG
4 hours ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Was that after you sold your 5.0L Mustang GT that only had 4.94889L?

Last edited 4 hours ago by JumboG
4004
4004
4 hours ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Ha, I still occasionally annoy my brother by reminding him that his E39 530d with the D1 M57 is in fact only 2.9 litres.
Also, try down badging, it’s refreshing and fun

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