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There Should Be A World Speed Record For Fifth-Wheel Towing, And I’ve Designed The Rig To Set It

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Most of my car-scribbling time is devoted to vehicles a large percentage of people might want to purchase, and while “take my money now” and “10/10 would buy” are nice things to hear, I have a lot more fun when my design time is unrestrained by considerations of what the masses might need or want.

It’s far more amusing to create niche vehicles that a very small segment of buyers will find useful, like the subject I’m turning my attention to today. Forget buyers, plural; this machine might attract just one buyer, perhaps a certain  MIT engineering graduate (once it’s a used-up mess, of course).

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I’m talking the dedicated fifth-wheel tow vehicle, a category that represents some of the strangest concoctions ever dreamed up by aftermarket auto manufacturers.

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Contributor and BattleBots maker Charles Guan has collected several of these diesel-powered van-based fifth-wheel rigs, seemingly for no other reason than the fact that they’re strange and that it likely qualifies him for Autopian sainthood when he is eventually done in by shrapnel when one of his homegrown turbos finally explodes. I mean, look at that image below: is the tin foil and plastic Ford engine cover really going to protect him from the equivalent of a land mine?

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Fifth-wheels look even stranger viewed from the rear. Also, they really needed more running board lights:

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Note that Charles appears to be running these things on the Tail of the Dragon,  the last place on earth it should go and the last vehicle you’d want to drive there.

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How could I make a vehicle that would entice someone like Charles to buy it? What if it were just as bizarre as his current rides, yet offer far more capability? Oh, and what if it could possibly have the ability to break a fifth-wheel towing world record? No, really.

“Centaur” Might Have Been A More Appropriate Name

As strange as the automotive trends of the late seventies and early eighties were, they became even more bizarre when they cross-pollinated and spawned odd Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup mashups. The popularity of curtains-and-crushed-velour-captains-chairs conversion vans coincided with the rise in sales of fifth-wheel RVs, so maybe it was only natural that some companies would create an unholy alliance that combined the two. Few are the same, but the general formula was to chop a Ford Econoline van somewhere in the middle, keeping a passenger or sleeping space but stretching the frame to allow for a pickup-like bed with a custom fifth-wheel hitch setup. Possibly the most prolific were the Centurian E-350 and the oddly named Cabriolet.

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The Cabriolet goes all-out with a raised roof for extra headroom and also to form a spoiler to divert air over whatever you’ve got hitched up back there. Nice semi-style exhaust stacks! That accent on the “e” in “Cabriolet” is especially classy.

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As strange as these things seem, they do seem to make sense in some ways since the Econolines have tremendous passenger space and are available with some mighty motors. What doesn’t make sense to me are somewhat similar products from the era that use Toyota pickups as a basis. The Sunrader Dually took the same idea of the Cabriolet by stretching the frame of an existing truck, adding a special raised passenger compartment and bed with flared fenders to cover the extra wheels in back. This one below came up for sale a little while back:

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Admittedly, the trailer that this thing is towing is smaller than a typical fifth wheel (I believe this is a 21-footer, while most popular ones such as Jaycos start at 24), but regardless of that, one must wonder about the, um, motivation. The standard Toyota 22R 2400cc four is a great motor in something like the ’81 Celica my aunt had, but somehow 97 horsepower and 128 lb-ft of torque seems a bit marginal for towing a small house.

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If nothing else, the Toyota shows us that there are many different ways to drag a fifth-wheel camper down the road. Or down the salt flats at 120 miles an hour. Let me explain.

Tow Jamming: Breaking The Record

As I’ve mentioned before, there are official world records for everything, including very bizarre ones. Automotive records in particular make you wonder how people even thought of the idea of trying to set them. Driving backwards in a Chevy Blazer for 37 days and 9,031 miles? How about going in reverse at 171 miles an hour? It’s been done, so it should come as no surprise that there have been a number of attempts over the decades for the fastest towing speed of a camper trailer.

In 1980, a British firm wanted to use a top speed record to showcase their aerodynamic new Autosport Alpha caravan (as they’re called in the UK) with a top speed record. With a curved front window, it was indeed a rather slick-looking piece for the time.

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The Capri in that brochure photo likely wouldn’t have the power needed to achieve a record velocity, so Autosport employed a LeMans-winning Aston Martin DBS V8 called the “Muncher” to do the job.

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Official top speed attained was 124 miles an hour due to the rain (because of course it was raining in Britain) and you can see a picture of the effort by clicking here. Additional attempts with the bizarre rig yielded much higher velocities (well over 150) but the speed was not sustained, and ultimately the giant front window of the Alpha camper blew out and reportedly decimated the whole camper.

The current record holder for camper towing has stood since August 23, 2012. A standard Carson Kalispell trailer was towed by a modified GMC 2500HD at El Mirage Dry Lake, California. Pacific Performance Engineering added a turbo intercooler as well as new exhaust and a two-stage nitrous system to get the 6.6 Duramax up to reportedly over 1000 horsepower before the NOS kicked in to top out at an official 141.998 MPH.

What’s most interesting to me is that physically the truck and trailer appear to be bone-stock; neither of them has been optimized for any kind of aerodynamic efficiency. This rig looks absolutely nothing like the race car and streamlined caravan combination that once held the record (and you would assume might be the template for such a feat).

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Also, you’ll notice that it’s a standard trailer setup and not a fifth-wheel system. Exactly what the speed record for towing a fifth-wheel camper is is not something that I could find. In fact, our own RV guru Mercedes Streeter was unable to source such a record either. This doesn’t mean that such a feat has not been attempted, or that a speed record hasn’t been established, or even that the parameters for what constitutes a “fifth wheel tow top speed” haven’t been set. What it does mean is that I smell a challenge.

Taking The Fifth- The Ultimate Tow Vehicle

Unlike that nearly-142 MPH GMC pickup or Charles’s van contraptions, I’d like a tow vehicle and possible record establisher to be low to the ground for better handling and far better aero; plus, you might not need 1000 horsepower if your vehicle has a frontal area less than a house. As a tow vehicle, we pretty much need a body-on-frame car that can accept a big American V8. This leaves essentially two choices for us: a full-sized 1977-96 GM “B” body or a 1979-2012 Ford “Panther” chassis.

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The later “aero” versions of these (“whale wagons”) might be the best route, but for shits and grins I decided to use an old Buick station wagon with the 1977-90 body as a basis. Maybe I’m still inspired by this 328 horsepower turbo V6 mockup that Buick built back in the eighties that could get to 60 in the five-second range and cornered flat as a pancake for a land yacht (I’ve set the video to start just before the wagon):

The chassis would be stretched and a dual rear wheel axle added; to keep the length as short as possible there would be limited overhang off the back. A removeable, enclosed cargo bin might live in the “bed” space next to the fifth-wheel hitch.

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I could see removing the hitch and offering a slide-out or add-on pickup bed to allow you to carry cargo if you felt like it, giving this tow vehicle even more usefulness.

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Inside, the cabin has been stretched with a section that rises up to form a spoiler that directs wind over your trailer; we might even add another adjustable spoiler on top to help. Skylights and big windows let in light on a rear seat that can slide way back to give immense legroom. I’d put a power-adjustable front bench back there on sliding rails so it could theoretically be turned into a bed-like sleeping space (I added a set of power control identical to the front on each rear armrest). It looks so luxurious that this thing could be a limo, though, admittedly, the last thing your daughter would want to be taken to prom in.

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Let’s start with the original wagon:

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The Buick’s nose would be replaced by a pointed fiberglass piece holding smaller (LeBaron sourced) composite headlights for better aerodynamics and a unique look, with an air dam below. Body-colored chrome bumpers and badass GNX-like wheels finish off the look (we’d need spacers in back to allow fastening to the inner tires of the “dually” setup).

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Now, some might say that a tow vehicle needs to be like one of the vans that Charles owns with giant front hubs and eight-lug wheels in order to accomplish the task at hand, but I say no. Those GM B-bodies (and, to be fair, Ford Panthers) will take a lot of abuse, and there is no need to overbuild a competition machine. Honestly, as Colin Chapman reportedly said, the best race car will fall apart after crossing the finish line (though some say he applied the same logic to his street cars).

What’s under the hood? Who cares? There are plenty of options you could choose from since the B-body was offered with engines as big as the 403 cubic inch Olds V8 at the beginning of the run (and rather quickly discontinued). That means there is ample room for big, dirty power that we can easily get. What do we need? A thousand horsepower? Twelve hundred? Whatever it takes to set a record towing speed that will be high enough to stand for years. I mean, if there’s anything more important than the speed record for fifth-wheel camper towing, I can’t offhand think of what that might be. Are you going to do the driving, Mercedes Streeter? I think you own a helmet.

Some Ask “Why,” We Ask “Why Not?”

Charles Guan says, “(Fifth wheel haulers) have very niche popularity. Surprising, given that they’re perfect. Now we now know Charles isn’t wrong; we just hadn’t seen the perfect fifth-wheel towing machine. That’s where the bizarre vehicle above comes into play. Insane power, handling of a (semi-clapped out) cop car, a versatile cargo bed, ride comfort like a cloud, and “unique” low-profile styling would make our world record attempt Buick wagon-based tow mobile the kind of machine to gain the respect of nearly dozens of car enthusiasts everywhere. That’s the Autopian dream if I ever saw it.

 

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TurboFarts
TurboFarts
23 hours ago

“I’d like a tow vehicle and possible record establisher to be low to the ground for better handling and far better aero; plus, you might not need 1000 horsepower if your vehicle has a frontal area less than a house.”

If what you are towing has, as you say, the frontal area of a house, then does it really matter if the tow vehicle doesn’t?

Last edited 23 hours ago by TurboFarts
Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 day ago

I mean that’s cool and all – but let’s make this simpler – while also harkening back to Lucy and Ricky in their 1952 Mercury Monterey, which they used to tow their Blue Moon trailer…

Get a 1971-73 Buick Centurion Convertible with it’s big 455 – and supercharge it.
Remove the trunk lid (temporarily) and mount the hitch to the inside of the trunk.
Hitch up the Trailer.
Go.
Fast.

When you’re not towing, just reinstall the trunk lid with a few simple bolts.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
1 day ago

OK, I feel dumb for asking but: why is this called “firth wheel”? How does attaching to the bed imply the addition of a wheel? And adding the trailer makes for… 8 wheels. What am I missing?

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 day ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

IIRC, the original fifth wheel was literally a wheel mounted to the truck that carried the hitch, which could pivot because it was mounted to the wheel.

TurboFarts
TurboFarts
23 hours ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

The only reason you should feel dumb is that you are capable of posting a question but seemingly incapable of doing a basic google search.

https://youtu.be/kYkdSZIYmW8

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
22 hours ago
Reply to  TurboFarts

As if Google search is still considered functional.
Even googly no longer claims that.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 day ago

The headlights on Bishop’s towing monstrosity look like they were cribbed from a plymouth breeze.

Evan Shealy
Evan Shealy
1 day ago

Most trailer tires aren’t speed rated and should be kept at 60 or below. Every time I see someone towing a camper on the interstate pass me I slow down just a little because I don’t want to witness the eventual carnage.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
1 day ago

Why not a whole class? Campers have crashed in value post pandemic. Make up the rules as we go along.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 day ago

I grew up driving a 1983 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Wagon with a 305. I showed this to my dad and he went “WHY COULDN’T WE HAVE THIS!”
This:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42721137/1983-chevrolet-caprice-wagon-corvette-chaser/

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
1 day ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

I have wanted to build one very much like that ever since I heard but it’s existence.

I’ve been pining for a “muscle wagon” since WAY before anyone besides me thought it was a cool idea.

Here4thecars
Here4thecars
1 day ago

Coolest tow vehicle, ever. I think the Autopian Bonneville Salt Flats Towing Challenge would be a hoot, with Mercedes Streeter as the inaugural driver.

Space
Space
1 day ago

K, now do a car if rubber was never available , let’s say rubber trees went extinct in the year 1850.

James Mason
James Mason
1 day ago
Reply to  Space

I see this story arc merging with the farm tractor speed record set back in 1935

Church
Church
1 day ago

I’m not saying yes, but I’m not saying no, either.

Jb996
Jb996
1 day ago

Towing land speed record?

Just the other day I saw a rusted out, lifted, mid 2000’s Ford F150 on mud tires towing a (12′?) 55mph U-haul trailer, going down the interstate at over 90mph.

If that isn’t the record for both speed and stupidity, I don’t want to know what is!

Maymar
Maymar
1 day ago

If you can hack up a Citroen to be a car hauler or a motorway-blasting newspaper delivery van, I assume you could make a passable fifth wheel out of one. If you’re set on American V8 power, maybe get some unholy combination of Olds Toronado and GMC Motorhome bits.

CRM114
CRM114
1 day ago
Reply to  Maymar

Might as well just get Roadkill’s CadiRamp EldoWrongo.

Gerontius Garland
Gerontius Garland
1 day ago
Reply to  Maymar
1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

Warning Bishop I was on the same wave length as you. Scared? But let’s be honest as you said that wasn’t a 5th wheel setup. In addition in this day and age every record is a custom built. I say the wagon is a good start but how about a Magnum? Trim off the top and back set a custom trailer up that operates like a train car. Maybe a wing like that is on a semi but not necessary on a custom trailer.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 day ago

I just want to autocross that woody Buick wagon. Wouldn’t take fastest time of the day—but maybe the funest.
And with style!

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 day ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

My son & I used to auto cross my 96 Impala SS (class F w/ the Camaros). Never set FToD, or even class marks, but had a good time. My son would take 4 friends on a run. He reported the clacking of helmets in the back seat while exiting a corner was a hoot.

I took a fast Camaro driver on a run and he thought that the braking power of the imp was phenomenal.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 day ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

Couple decades back some of the husband & wife teams towing in from out of town got to talking smack at dinner the night before. Upshot was 5 or 6 ladies autocrossed the tow rigs. A few cones suffered—but, mostly, it was a hell of a show of vehicle mastery and one of the best I’ve ever attended with duallies sliding around to universal applause

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 day ago

Just make sure your daughters understand the distinction between being taken somewhere in a limo and be TAKEN, somewhere, in a limo. Thankfully, my prom date not only knew the difference, but was willing to provide a demonstration for my edification.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Much like a wedding never take a date to the prom. Too expensive and so many bridesmaids

Adam Rice
Adam Rice
1 day ago

Needs woody side panels to be true to its nature.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
1 day ago
Wolfpack57
Wolfpack57
1 day ago

I’d go big. I reckon you could just chop a Ram 3500, tune it up to whatever the 6.7 makes for 5 minutes at a time, and throw a few fairings on.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
17 hours ago
Reply to  Wolfpack57

There’s a lot you can do for aero on a pickup.
See the hypermiler forums.
The 2nd generation Dodge is much better than average to begin with.

Gubbin
Gubbin
1 day ago

Ok, so we have the 5th-wheel towing LSR attempt covered, but I want to propose a different race challenge: The loaded pickup road race series.

I mean, there’s the NASCAR trucks series, but they’re not doing “truck stuff.” What would a race truck look like if it were expected to have a 1/2T pallet or a 1/2 yard of gravel dropped in the back before hitting a road course?

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
1 day ago
Reply to  Gubbin

I love the gravel idea, and to avoid spillage on the course there would be a standardized sealed box of gravel to load into bed (with enough room for it to slosh around of course)

Gubbin
Gubbin
1 day ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

Managing load slosh would be a MAJOR skill in this.

Gerontius Garland
Gerontius Garland
1 day ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

I’d love to see how people cheat with that. Somebody is gonna try replacing their bluestone with pumice.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
21 hours ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

People were installing water beds in vans in the 70s.
Interesting thing is they were safe without a frame, as they would roll up the wall as the water shifted.
You could lie on the bed and never hit your head.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 day ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Or a standard round hay bale. I’d watch that as avidly as I did the swamp buggies

Gubbin
Gubbin
1 day ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

…with hilarious consequences when the load gets loose and starts rolling…

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 day ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Exactly!

Bags
Bags
1 day ago

I think there are enough mad-genius contributors at The Autopian now to take on breaking this record.
Can’t be any more dangerous than some of David’s $200 jeep road trips.

Data
Data
1 day ago

Word up! It’s the code word
No matter where you say it, you know that you’ll be heard

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
1 day ago

The key is towing capacity of the rig. Not just pure weight, but the hitch as well. Overcome that and I like this concept.

And remember the people in the rig count as cargo weight along with their stuff.

M SV
M SV
1 day ago

If range isn’t an issue a BEV truck would probably win that. Otherwise a turbo diesel. Torque makes all the difference when towing. That alpha wolf thing would probably do a decent job if it ever arrives. Or you could do the normal shove a hopped up 5.9 or 6.7 into a t100 or something of a similar size with a beefed up frame and send it. I’m sure at some point we will see this between a Rivian and GM BEV truck and probably a Ram.

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
1 day ago

How many words per minute is required for the word speed record? 😛

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
1 day ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Nice, also could’ve done Micro Machines 🙂

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
1 day ago
Reply to  The Bishop

And now my comment seems like I can’t read, that’s kind fun being this is a blog with all these words and stuff.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
21 hours ago
Reply to  Fuzzyweis

I can type 200 words a minute if you give me enough time.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 day ago

Is there some unstated requirement for 4+ seats? If not, I’d throw a heavy-duty suspension and rear axle under a Chevy SSR with a supercharged 6.2 LS. Or visit our friends down under for a Ford XR8 or Holden SS ute.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
21 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I think if you can persuade the speed record folks to accept it, you can create a new class.

Bags
Bags
1 day ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

I suppose that brings up the option of skipping the custom bodywork from the article and just starting with an El Camino or Ranchero.
But it seems like seating for 4+ is in the spirit of the challenge as it’s been presented. The pickup truck from the record mentioned was a crew cab, and it makes sense that if you are pulling a 5th wheel camper you’d want a car that could haul the people that would be using that camper.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 day ago
Reply to  Bags

Who can/would make a rule book? Guinness? I really don’t know. In the absence of a rule book, we really don’t know how to optimize. In the complete absence of rules, I’d start with a tractor designed for tractor pulls with a 2000+ hp Diesel engine. Probably change the gearing, and put a cab from a Hilux on it.

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