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There’s A Giant Plane In This Chicago Museum And How It Got There Was Bonkers

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Chicago is known for, among other things, its wonderful museum district. The city has a little bit of everything for your spongy brain from historic cars to world-renowned art. One of those spots is the Griffin Museum of Science and Industry, which contains vehicles and science displays you won’t see anywhere else. One of the displays hanging from an upper floor is the majority of a Boeing 727. This isn’t a fake plane, either, but a real aircraft that used to serve United Airlines. But how the heck does a plane end up in a building in the Chicago metro area? The story of how it got there was pretty wild.

I’ve sometimes said that I live in the Chicago area, but that isn’t strictly true. I live about an hour and a half northwest of Chicago in a town nobody’s heard of. Because of this, if I want to enjoy the city’s incredible museum district, I have to make a whole day of it. Shockingly, I’ve been to the Museum of Science and Industry only twice in my whole life. I went last weekend during my birthday and the time before that was several years ago.

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Thus, I’ve seen this plane only twice in my life. Only now, I’m a lot older and know a lot more about aviation than I used to. Suddenly, it hit me that holy crap, that really is an actual commercial airliner up there, and not a particularly small one, either. Mind you, this is in a giant stone building next to Lake Michigan. There are no runways nearby and it’s not like you’re getting a hefty commercial airliner through Chicago traffic. How did this thing get in here?

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One of the crucial elements of this story is an airport that no longer exists.

Chicago’s Lost Fourth Airport

If you’re visiting Chicago by aircraft, you’re usually going to end up at one of three airports, all of which are a little outside of the city core.

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If you’re pinching pennies on Frontier Airlines or Southwest Airlines, sorry: You’re likely landing at Midway International Airport and doing a long slog to get into the city. O’Hare International Airport is almost always your better bet, unless you’re a bit of a fancy pants riding in something sweet like a HondaJet, in which case your destination will likely be Chicago Executive Airport. There are other ways to get into the city via the air, such as the Vertiport Chicago FBO, but most people will fly in through one of those three locations.

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Just two decades ago, there was a fourth option. If you visit Chicago today and get close to the lake, you might have seen what the city calls Northerly Island, even though it’s actually a peninsula. Confusingly, this peninsula has a randomly placed building (above, behind the Buell) and something that looks an awful lot like a control tower – but there isn’t an airport here. If you’ve played older installments of Microsoft Flight Simulator, you know where I’m going with this. Northerly Island used to be the site of Meigs Field.

A piece I wrote for the old site continues:

The story of Meigs Field begins with the peninsula that it was constructed on. In 1909, urban planner and architect Daniel H. Burnham published the Plan of Chicago. The book recommended improvements to the city like wider streets, parks, civic buildings, harbors and more. It even called for a highway system that circled the then vastly growing city.

Burnham died in 1912 before any part of his ideas became reality. One of his ideas called for the creation of an island that would serve as a lakefront park. By 1916, the co-author of his book, Edward H. Bennett, suggested that the site would be ideal for aviation. In 1920, ground broke on construction and the island was finished in 1925. The proposed airport didn’t get built, but the peninsula soon found itself to be the home of the Adler Planetarium and a World’s Fair. Flying boats reached Chicago by way of the peninsula.

The airport finally opened in 1948, Flying notes. And it was named the Merrill C. Meigs Field in 1950 after the aviation enthusiast and publisher of the Chicago Herald and Examiner of the same name.

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For decades, Meigs served as an aviation hub in the downtown area. Fresh pilots got their wings from the peninsula, and that large building was a terminal. If you were wealthy enough to afford a plane ticket in the era before airline deregulation, you could board a flight at Meigs right there on the lake and fly to regional destinations around the Midwest. Meigs also served as a popular place for a few short-lived helicopter airlines, and was a place for emergency services to land before delivering either patients or organs to local hospitals.

Unfortunately, some saw Meigs as a sort of black mark on the city, and for good reason. Planes aren’t exactly quiet, and some folks understandably weren’t into hearing aircraft taking off day in and day out. The city also didn’t do itself any favors by raising landing fees, user fees, and parking charges. Towards the end, only people with enough money to overload a Cessna 172 with Benjamins could afford to put their wheels down there.

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The demise of the airfield was plotted in the 1980s when, as Flying Magazine notes, Chicago Mayor Jane Byrne proposed getting rid of the planes and turning the field into a park. Mayor Byrne was halted by the fact that the field was the beneficiary of FAA grants, and each one guaranteed an airport would remain open for 25 years. Meigs received a grant in 1976, ensuring it would stay open until at least 2001.

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Chicago’s 54th mayor, Richard M. Daley, wasn’t concerned with following procedure. In 1994, Mayor Daley announced that Meigs would become a park. To facilitate this, Mayor Daley instructed the Chicago Park District not to renew the field’s lease. That lease expired in 1996 and the Chicago Park District responded by painting large ‘X’ marks on the runway, signaling to aviators that the airport was closed.

Understandably, the state of Illinois, the FAA, pilots, businesses, emergency services, air traffic controllers, and more groups were all ticked off about this and kindly reminded Daley that Chicago was obligated to keep the airport open until at least 2001. Daley eventually backed down and reopened the airport. Then, 2001 came around and his plan to destroy the airport was dealt another blow when an organization representing Meigs took the issue to court and got a temporary restraining order.

Later that year, Chicago Mayor Daley and Illinois Governor George Ryan cut a deal that allowed O’Hare to expand so long as Meigs was allowed to live until 2006. Later, this would be amended to 2026.

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… or so the official plan went. Mayor Daley, however, was tired of the darned airfield beating him at every turn, and he took dramatic action. At midnight on March 30, 2003, the Chicago Tribune reports, bulldozers escorted by the Chicago Police arrived at Meigs. A fire engine pointed a spotlight at the webcam at the Adler Planetarium so nobody would see what was about to go down, and Mayor Daley ordered the destruction of the airport. With nothing and no one to stop him, the big ‘X’ marks returned to the runway – but not with paint. The Xs were scribed into the pavement by the bulldozers’ blades, ensuring permanent damage to the runway that would prevent planes from using them.

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In the aftermath, Flying Magazine writes, Mayor Daley first tried to explain away the destruction by saying it was done to protect Chicago from a 9/11-style terrorist attack, but the Department of Homeland Security wouldn’t back him up on that. Mayor Daley eventually admitted that he did it because going through the courts to seize the airport would have cost too much money and taken too much time. Remember, by that point, Mayor Daley had been wanting the airport dead for nine years and he had been stopped at every turn.

The planes that were stuck at the airport were allowed to take off from the intact taxiway and finally, after years of battle, Chicago got its peninsula park. Perhaps one of the coolest memories of Meigs is what happened a decade before its destruction.

Big Plane On A Little Runway

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N7017U is third in line in this photo! – Griffin Museum of Science and Industry

MSI’s Boeing 727 trijet carries registration N7017U. It was delivered new to United Airlines in 1964, the airline it would service its entire career with. N7017U was among the first 727s delivered to the airline and it had an important role.

Back in the late 1950s and the early 1960s, the easiest path to getting higher performance out of a jet aircraft was mounting four engines in pods under the wings. Likewise, a jet with four engines could legally perform long flights over oceans while the twinjets of the era were limited to flying no further than 60 minutes from the nearest airports they could divert to. However, quad jets were large and thirsty things.

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The Boeing 727 was conceived as a bit of a compromise. Three engines meant United Airlines would get an aircraft powerful enough to operate at high-altitude airports. American Airlines would get a plane that wasn’t as thirsty as a 707. Eastern Airlines would get an aircraft that could fly longer routes over open water. Nobody got exactly what they wanted, but the 727 was designed to be a good all-round narrowbody for the day.

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The Boeing 727 was good at its job, too, and 1,832 examples were constructed between 1962 and 1984. The 727 had such staying power that a handful of examples are still in service today as cargo aircraft while a handful more have been converted into private VIP aircraft. Many might remember the 727 for its screaming loud triplet of Pratt & Whitney JT8D-200 low-bypass turbofans. The 727 is so loud that, as of December 31, 1999, any 727 flying in U.S. airspace needs a hush kit to quiet it down. FedEx, which used to have a fleet of these beauties, sells the kit.

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Noise really wasn’t a concern for N7017U. United Airlines began retiring its oldest 727s in the early 1990s. Normally, an aircraft lives a pretty sad life after decades of dutiful service. Often, planes get discarded at desert boneyards to either waste away or get scrapped. Maybe a historically significant aircraft will see its skin become luggage tags.

United believed the 727 was the first truly successful jetliner and because of this, the first ones were worth saving. So, some of its aircraft were spared an afterlife in a boneyard to live in museums. The Museum of Science and Industry became the recipient of N7017U in September 1992.

The first challenge was just getting the aircraft within close distance of the museum. O’Hare and Midway were way too far away, but Meigs didn’t really have a long enough runway. N7017U is 133 feet long with a wingspan of 108 ft and has a maximum takeoff weight of 169,000 pounds.

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No aircraft of that size or girth had ever touched down at Meigs. The Boeing 727-100 had a Landing Field Length of 4,690 feet. Landing Field Length is the aircraft’s actual landing distance plus a safety factor. The calculation for this is landing distance times 1.667. The runway at Meigs was 3,900 feet long, but if you chop at least some of the safety factor out, the 727 can land there with room to spare. Pilots normally operated 727s out of longer strips, but this was a special flight.

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To get around this, the 727 flew to O’Hare, and to prep for the aircraft’s final flight, it was loaded to be as light as possible. The aircraft didn’t carry more fuel than was needed or anything else that wasn’t required to get to nearby Meigs. On the flight deck that day was Captain B. C. Thomas, First Officer Bill Loewe, and Second Officer Greg Hammes. None of them had done anything like this before. United Airlines didn’t do short field landings and back then, United pilots didn’t even get to enjoy the fun of doing flybys for a crowd.

Captain Thomas said the crew had no real prep for this because none of them had ever flown a 727 as they would have to that day. But, all of them were skilled airmen, so they were happy to take on the challenge. On September 28, 1992, Thomas first performed a low fly-by for the crowd and media gathered at Meigs, and then he took the airplane in for its final landing. Thomas said he chose a super low landing speed of 115 mph and he aimed for the very beginning of the runway to get the most room he could achieve. Further, he wasn’t going to go for a soft landing, but to get all of the undercarriage down as fast as possible so he could throw on the brakes and throw out the engine reversers.

Captain Thomas battled a crosswind, but his effort was successful. Not only did he get N7017U down, but he stopped with plenty of room to spare. When a local Chicago TV station asked if the aircraft could take off again, Captain Thomas joked that sure, he’d give it a go if you chained the aircraft to something, let it run up to full power, and then cut the chain. What a legend.

That Belongs In A Museum

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Really, landing the plane was probably one of the easier parts. Next, the plane was loaded onto a barge and floated to Indiana, where the aircraft was stored and prepped for its move to the museum. Then, it was floated back to Chicago, where the aircraft had to be tugged off of the barge, over a beach, across once-busy Chicago streets, and to the museum’s parking lot. This was a huge endeavor as Chicago’s street infrastructure wasn’t made for something of this size. City workers had to take down poles and clear a path wide enough for the intact airplane to fit.

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Once the airplane got to the museum parking lot, another gargantuan effort began involving everyone from the government and private individuals to corporations, engineers, and construction firms. In its empty state, the jet weighed 41 tons.

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Before it became a display, the plane would have to be gutted, cleaned, taken apart, and hoisted up. Then the museum itself had to be taken apart somewhat with one of the building’s iconic columns removed and the entrance expanded enough to fit a fuselage. The plane was lifted up by a crane as it sat on a special cradle, then it had to roll into the museum on a custom-built ramp.

Above is a screenshot from the video showing the work put into getting the plane inside. Yep, the plane was pretty much anchored to a floor of the building.

Once in the museum, the aircraft was painted in its classic 1960s livery and its hydraulic systems were replaced with air systems so that control surfaces could move as part of demonstrations. Then, engineers had to perform structural work to the museum so that the plane could be forever parked on a museum balcony.

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The aircraft has been parked there ever since as a part of MSI’s ‘Take Flight’ exhibit. Emblazoned on the front of the aircraft is the name of Captain William Norwood, United’s trailblazing first Black pilot. The display has his inspiring story, too. If you’re lucky, you’ll find a United Airlines pilot volunteer at the display and they’d love to chat with you about aviation.

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Step inside the aircraft and you will learn so much about the science and the mechanics of how airplanes work. If you don’t care about that, the aircraft is also a time capsule back to when seats weren’t tiny and flight decks didn’t have screens. It’s probably the closest I’ll come to ever sitting at the controls of one of these beauties.

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If you’re ever in Chicago, I highly recommend a visit to MSI. To be clear, this isn’t a sponsored post. I blew a lot of my own money to go during the weekend. But, no matter how old you are, the place is just too cool.

This finally answers a question I’ve had for years. How on Earth do you get a plane into a beautiful stone museum in Chicago? Well, you just land it on a runway that’s too short, put it on a barge, cut it up, and cut the museum up, too. Then you just hang it from the floor. Easy peasy.

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Scott McAfee
Scott McAfee
1 month ago

Chicago is ground zero for corrupt politicians. The Daley political machine bred generations of crime, corruption and evil that even the feds were afraid of messing with. Seems the politicians of Chicago have gone from being ultra corrupt to being mind numbingly stupid. Don’t know which is worse.

Motorhead Mike
Motorhead Mike
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott McAfee

Ahhh, The Big Onion…

Thing is, It’s really always been that way. Daley (père) was a symptom, Daley (fìls) was… well… Sometime, read Nelson Algren’s “Chicago: City on the Make”. Far from a definitive history, it’s a prose-poem about everything to love and hate about the city, told wonderfully. I think, recently, the practitioners have just gotten worse at it.

DC
DC
1 month ago

So I took my two children to Chicago for a weekend trip. Live here in west Michigan so not a bad drive. We went to MSI on the first day (Friday). It must have been in 1997 as there was a Titanic theme going on with a display of Jack’s clothes from the movie. We spent the whole day there and saw as much as we could. I remember going through the plane because you just walked into it. The floor of the plane is the same height of the floor you’re on. If I remember right, there’s not even a break in this carpeting. It just continues on into the plane. We went to Brookfield Zoo the next day. The last day we hit the Field Museum, Alder Planetarium, and Shedd Aquarium. Even though the Field Museum was great, my kids were a bit let down by it. It was a bit awkward for them to see live animals on Saturday at Brookfield and then see the same ones stuffed at the FM. I think Lucy was there at the time so my son was happy.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago

That column they moved isn’t just iconic: it’s also Ionic.

-the more you nerd 🙂

Matthew Skwarczek
Matthew Skwarczek
1 month ago

I grew up in Chicagoland when Meigs Field was winding down–I had no idea there was so much drama over it! And man, I need to visit MSI again, I haven’t been there in forever.
Also, Mercedes, have you ever been to the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center? I geeked out over the Blackbird and the Space Shuttle there–and it wasn’t until I turned a corner that I realized the Enola Gay is there, too.

Pisco Sour
Pisco Sour
1 month ago

Grew up in Chicagoland and MSI is fantastic. That said, I spent 14 months in Virginia and the Udvar-Hazy center is hands-down my favorite museum.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
1 month ago
Reply to  Pisco Sour

agreed one awesome museum, The Intrepid in NYC is pretty fun too. I saw Enterprise at both museums, and of course Discovery at Hazy once they moved Enterprise to nyc.

Joe L
Joe L
1 month ago

Fucking Daley. People have done long prison stints for doing way less damage while pissing off the Feds.

I’ll never forgive him for destroying the airport that ignited my interest in aviation in MSFS 4 all the way through getting my pilot’s license in 2006. Yes, I’m old.

Theotherotter
Theotherotter
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe L

Same! I grew up in the 70s and 80s and the only two games I ever played as a kid in the 80s were Indy 500 (I don’t know who made it) and Flight Simulator 🙂

notoriousDUG
notoriousDUG
1 month ago

The 727 was a super cool plane. I am grateful I had the chance when I was in the industry to work on them. They were a handful to taxi if they were low on fuel.
I once went out to deal with one that had jack-knifed into a tug and gotten punctured because the pilot refused to cut the engines to be towed.

I also worked on an engine change on #2 engine on one where the hoist bars broke and we dropped the engine!

notoriousDUG
notoriousDUG
1 month ago

Flying in and out of Meigs was one of the coolest things you could do in a small aircraft. It was beautiful.
I often flew in and out of there when I worked for Midwest Helicopter.
Way back in the day, a helicopter taxi operated out of the field.

What Daley did was literally a crime. I was always shocked he got away with it. Destroying an active runway is kind of a big deal.

Joe L
Joe L
1 month ago
Reply to  notoriousDUG

He’d have gone to federal prison if I had my way.

Lewis26
Lewis26
1 month ago
Reply to  notoriousDUG

I grew up in the Darien area, and still live in the burbs. That orange and white copter has been cemented firmly in my brain after seeing it fly around my entire life.

Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago

It’s probably the closest I’ll come to ever sitting at the controls of one of these beauties

What you need to do is get over to the Wings of Eagles Discovery Center in Horseheads NY. They have a Link 727-200 Level-D sim. They had to remove the motion components because they didn’t have the power infrastructure to run them, but the rest of the sim works mostly as it did when it was used as a real trainer. You can take off, fly the pattern, and land at O’Hare.

Be sure to make an appointment – they have to assign a staff member to run the sim for you.

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Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
1 month ago

Oh jeez that putz Griffin put his name on the museum?

DC
DC
1 month ago

It only cost him $125,000,000.

Wezel Boy
Wezel Boy
1 month ago

I loved the Chicago MSI when I was a kid. My favorite part was the U-Boat.

Mr E
Mr E
1 month ago
Reply to  Wezel Boy

I remember being intrigued by the coal mine reproduction they had back in the late 70s/early 80s. I also enjoyed the train cars. My Dad was nonplussed by that since he rode the train into downtown from Naperville for his job, but he still put up with me. The next time I find myself in Chicago, I’m going back.

BagoBoiling
BagoBoiling
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr E

Was just there a few weeks ago, they still have the coal mine stuff. My 5 year old absolutely loved the trains. When we went into the plane above you can see the trains below and he just sat there and watched them until we pulled him along.

Mr E
Mr E
1 month ago
Reply to  BagoBoiling

That’s awesome! If only Chicago wasn’t 800 miles away…

Tap-n-Die And Some WD-40
Tap-n-Die And Some WD-40
1 month ago

I highly recommend a visit to the Delta Flight Museum in Atlanta. They have the first 747-400 in the parking lot. You can walk through it, which is especially cool because most of the rear of the aircraft has been gutted and replaced with acrylic panels so you can see all of the flight controls and wiring.

Chronometric
Chronometric
1 month ago

If you find yourself in England, go to the old Brooklands racetrack southwest of London. Along with visiting an historic old racetrack, you can get inside a Concorde. They even have a flight experience that is exhilarating.

Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago

They also have a full-motion 737-200 sim you can fly. All steam gauges.

John Beef
John Beef
1 month ago

Back in the late 90s I worked for FedEx and spent quite a few pre-sunrise mornings unloading and re-loading 727s. They had placards with the manufacturing dates inside the forward baggage hold, and most of them were from the early to mid 60s. Being born in the 70s I felt like they were sooooo old.

Don’t forget those unique rear stairs. We lowered them as a safety precaution during loading and unloading. Because the freight door was in front of the wings, containers of freight were the last out of the very back and first in as well. With 3 engines back there, the plane would do a wheelie with a tail strike if the stairs weren’t down. On the DC-10s, they left the heavy tugs connected to the front landing gear for the same reason.

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
1 month ago
Reply to  John Beef

Got that same “old plane” feeling when I rode in a C-7 Caribou in 1990. That plane had seen service in Vietnam and here I was with my knees in the breeze on the tailgate (securely harnessed, of course) as we hauled a load of wet parachutes to the drying tower at Hunter Army Airfield. I get that “old me” feeling when I realize that some of the other soldiers on that flight were also Vietnam vets, still serving.

Michael
Michael
1 month ago

You forgot one of the best parts about the way it’s displayed – it’s directly above one of the world’s largest model railroads, which gives visitors looking out the plane’s windows a perspective similar to what they might see from thousands of feet in the air.

Chronometric
Chronometric
1 month ago

No kidding about the 727’s three screaming engines. Of course as a child of cheap midwestern parents, I always sat in the back of the plane.

Ironically, Eastern Airlines called their 727s “WhisperJets”!

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Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago
Reply to  Chronometric

If you weren’t right at the back, it was pretty quiet compared to contemporary planes. We’re spoiled by the quiet planes these days, but if you sat in the front of a 727 or a DC-9, it was pretty hard to hear the engines.

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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
Angel "the Cobra" Martin
1 month ago

My question is why did they land it on a short runway only to barge it to Indiana. Then put into storage. Then bring it back on a barge. Almost seems like somebody had a barge company that needed work. Daley Barge Inc.?

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

Because the company doing the prep work for the museum wasn’t accessible by runway, but were by barge, and Meigs was the closet runway to where transfer to a barge feasible

Frank Smith
Frank Smith
1 month ago

The WHAT Museum of Science and Industry? That private equity goon doesn’t need to be acknowledged outside of press releases from the Museum, ya know.

But I also still call it the Sears Tower.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago

When I’m not calling it the Sears tower, I just call it the big willie.

Abdominal Snoman
Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

Ahem, it’s the big black willie to be precise

Motorhead Mike
Motorhead Mike
1 month ago

I prefer, The (Wesley) Willis Tower, but that works.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago
Reply to  Motorhead Mike

I met Wesley Willis at the rock and roll mcdonalds back in the 90s. No kidding.

BloggyMcBlogBlog
BloggyMcBlogBlog
1 month ago

Sadly in a few years, young people won’t know what Sears is.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

Unless they’re Mexican, anyway

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago
Reply to  Frank Smith

We call that guy Ken Grifter… because that’s exactly what he is… I’ll never say his name in front of MSI.

Peter d
Peter d
1 month ago

I had to look him up – gosh. not a lot to like here. I hadn’t know the backstory of the Gamestop fiasco where it looks like Robinhood stopped allowing small stock purchases of Gamestop to help out his short positions.

Bomber
Bomber
1 month ago

This exhibit is amazing from the engineering aspect of it.

This museum is my favorite science museum to date (have yet to make it to Smithsonian…)

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
1 month ago
Reply to  Bomber

I went to MSI summer of ’22, the National Museum of Scotland in Summer ’23 and the Royal Museum of Science in London this past summer. All three are well worth the trip and had more to see than you can manage in one afternoon, but the U-Boat at MSI puts it at the top of the list. That alone took an hour without paying the extra fee to go inside.

DonK
DonK
1 month ago

That same level of MSI also had a neglected wing showcasing computer technology, but its neglect was obvious as a) the timeline on its wall stopped in the early-mid 1980s, and b) as of the mid-2000s, was still running digital displays off of a Texas Instruments TI 99/4A computer. To be fair, I haven’t visited MSI in many years, partially due to how antiquated some of its exhibits were–the Field Museum was/is(?) way worse with its antiquation–so I hope that the computer wing has been updated or removed by now.

Laika
Laika
1 month ago
Reply to  DonK

The TI99/4A-based exhibits were gone the last time I was there. I loved that it had exhibits running on them since they were exhibit-worthy antiques themselves and they were one of the first platforms I developed software for, because I am also an antique (actually it was the even earlier TI99/4 with the chicklet keys).

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
1 month ago

727s were gorgeous things to see flying and great to fly on (IMO). Used to see them all the time, as my childhood home was in the approach path of a regional airport.

SonOfLP500
SonOfLP500
1 month ago
Reply to  Pneumatic Tool

Tri-jets were the best-looking planes, especially in silhouette, somehow encapsulating an optimistic vision of the future.
The house I grew up in was at the eastern end of one of the approaches to Heathrow, depending on wind direction. Seeing Vickers VC-10s from directly below was always a thrill, still the most graceful airliner of all.

AssMatt
AssMatt
1 month ago

I’m still very curious about how this thing is suspended above the floor, but something else is sticking in my craw: flying…boats?

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
1 month ago
Reply to  AssMatt

Aviation was still in its infancy and many commercial airplanes used bodies of water for take-off and landing. Water vessels were the closest analog so a lot of the terminology crossed over.

Ian McClure
Ian McClure
1 month ago
Reply to  AssMatt

The more modern term is often “Seaplane”, an aircraft that can take off and land from water (sometimes exclusively, sometimes from land too). It makes a lot of sense in some ways, big bodies of water are mostly flat, totally free, and already present in lots of places people want to go. But as dedicated airfields became more common, so did land-based aircraft, which can take off and land with heavier loads due to decreased drag (both aero- and hydro-dynamic).

Dan Pritts
Dan Pritts
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian McClure

I always understood a seaplane to be an otherwise normal plane fitted with landing gear (usually? Pontoons) to allow it to take off and land from water.

a flying boat, by comparison, has a boat shaped fuselage and lands with the fuselage in the water. Most famous example perhaps the WWII Catalina.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago

From 1935, Pan Am flew Martin M-130 “clippers” or flying boats from SF to Hawaii & Manila via Wake Island.

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago
Reply to  AssMatt

I was curious too and found this:

“If you’ve ever thought the way it hangs over the Transportation Gallery looks precarious, be assured it’s mounted on three steel I-beams that are built into both the balcony and the aircraft. According to Llewellyn, the weight of the airplane is actually less than the weight of the parts of the balcony they had to cut away to make it fit.”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2021/05/14/renovated-boeing-727-is-set-for-take-off-again-at-the-msi-gone-80s-era-seats-new-a-vintage-cockpit-airplane-guts-and-a-real-live-black-box/

AssMatt
AssMatt
1 month ago
Reply to  Freelivin2713

That’s a great line, thanks for running that down!

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
1 month ago

I remember when Daley carved up the runway; it was fuckin’ awesome.

My wife and a lot of my friends are Chicago transplants and are usually incredulous that Daley went through with this. Most Chicago natives woke up that morning and thought “Seems about right” and went about their day.

AssMatt
AssMatt
1 month ago

Yeah, it’s inconceivable that a modern politician would step up like that…and not only did Daley do it, he evidently got away with it?!

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
1 month ago
Reply to  AssMatt

The city was hit with a $33,000 fine which just means one of his buddies got a slightly smaller kickback that year.

Rippstik
Rippstik
1 month ago

It was also a tad bit reckless, as pilots who were stated to land that morning weren’t notified of the lack of useful runway properly.

Joe L
Joe L
1 month ago

To me, this is like dealing with trying to build something where there’s an endangered species by sneaking in one night and killing all the animals. It’s not clever, it’s criminal. But then, if you look up “Illinois politician” in the dictionary, “criminal” is the definition.

Joe L
Joe L
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe L

PS – the landing fees were only exorbitant because they were trying to get rid of the airport. It’s like the people who say we shouldn’t build the CA high speed rail because it’s “too expensive,” when half the cost is going to deal with the lawsuits those same people brought against it.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe L

Chicago and Daley, home of “Vote Early, Vote Often”.

Loren
Loren
1 month ago

I have seen that, having taken many flights on 727s it was utterly fascinating to walk inside and stare at the stripped-away portions normally unseen. It was a heroic thing to conceive and implement that whole idea of stuffing a jet airliner into a museum where people can get right up close to something that is so taken for granted yet represents a pinnacle in human engineering (and organizational) history. Aluminum and rivets, zoom through the air at 40,000 feet and mach .9 in 1964 for a few-buck’s ticket with your overnight bag under the seat, the display gives a chance to ponder what was/is truly involved.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago

What of kinda vehicular bias is going on here?! You write about the plane, but not even a single mention of U-505?

I kid of course – I’ll always remember taking the train with dad once to make the journey to see S&I. It did not disappoint and I’ll never forget it. Or the you-make-it blow-molded plastic train engine souvenir I got.

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Banana Stand Money
Banana Stand Money
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

I was just going to say! I can’t believe the submarine wasn’t mentioned. It is a fantastic museum and I highly recommend it.

Mercedes, if you haven’t been to Udvar Hazy by DC Dulles, you need to go pronto.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

Udvar Hazy (Smithsonian Air and Space Museum at Dulles) is amazing. I spent a Saturday there not long ago and I feel like I only scratched the surface. For those who don’t know, it’s where the Smithsonian A&S Museum keeps the good stuff. Seriously, there’s a space shuttle there among so many other amazing things..

Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago

I go every year or two. A couple years ago they had the Bell X1 parked in a corner while they renovated its usual exhibit hall in the museum on the Mall. This was cool because they had it on the ground, so the gear was extended which I’d never seen in person before, and because they had it parked just behind the SR-71, so it was the first and fastest right next to each other.

Idiotking
Idiotking
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

The U-505 story is amazing, and deserves its own Subtopian article. Captain Gallery was a badass.

ExAutoJourno
ExAutoJourno
1 month ago
Reply to  Idiotking

I have Admiral Gallery’s book about the capture of U-505 and its journey to Chicago (“Twenty Million Tons Under the Sea”) and can’t recommend it too highly. Well worth a read!

Note that it was Adm. Gallery’s “Jeep” Carrier Group that captured the U-Boat and brought it back to the States.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Even though I knew this whole story already, reading it in Mercedes’ words is a wonderful thing.
Keep writing about how, except for weather, this is the best city in the world.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 month ago

Meh. The LA Museum of Science and Industry has a whole Space Shuttle. All traipsed through LA over two days.
Sponsored by Toyota, I believe. I think they hauled it a mile (or less) for a commercial.

https://www.space.com/16992-shuttle-endeavour-road-trip-california-museum.html

And now with takeoff fuel tanks, and standing upright looking ready for takeoff.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Ok, but does yours have a coal mine? That actually works?

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 month ago

You got me there.

Checkyourbeesfordrinks
Checkyourbeesfordrinks
1 month ago

and a German submarine?

Nicholas Nolan
Nicholas Nolan
1 month ago

The back and forth here between Chicago people and LA people has given me vivid memories of the Old Style “they don’t get this in California” commercials from the late 80s or early 90s. Keep it coming.

Checkyourbeesfordrinks
Checkyourbeesfordrinks
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas Nolan

Hey now, don’t be calling me a Chicago person. I’m from Milwaukee. Just standing up for fellow Midwesterners.

And Old Style is from Wisconsin. You’re welcome Chicago. 🙂

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Ah yes, LaCrosse, which can easily be mistaken for Iowa.
Old Style is my favorite cheap beer. Perfect in the summer.

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago

Lone Star has entered the chat

Paul E
Paul E
1 month ago

Except for the giant bluff at the east edge of town… But yeah, otherwise looks like just about any other river town along that stretch of the Mississippi.

Pisco Sour
Pisco Sour
1 month ago

Is Spotted Cow available in Illinois yet?

Checkyourbeesfordrinks
Checkyourbeesfordrinks
30 days ago
Reply to  Pisco Sour

Pretty sure you still need to drive across the state line into WI and smuggle it back. Just like Wisconsinites had to do for margarine back in the 1950s and 1960s.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/08/28/protect-dairy-industry-wisconsin-tried-keep-yellow-margarine-out-oleo-run/1950671001/

Gewf631
Gewf631
1 month ago

In 1900, the Chicago Rivers flow was reversed, sending polluted water to the Mississippi River instead of Lake Michigan
Budweiser… brewed in St. Louis, on the banks of the Mississippi
Miller… brewed in Milwaukee, on the banks of Lake Michigan

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

The working coal mine and actual in-use telephone exchange in the Deutsches Museum in Munich were highlights of my visit as a child. Also they had a section where they would cast and machine an automobile engine block, then assemble it into a working engine. Aluminum block obviously, but watching someone making the sandcasting forms and pouring metal into them then getting the sand out was very impressive to a 16 year old.

I really want to go to the Deutsches Museum again.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

That’s very cool

10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Space Shuttle Endeavour is a bit of a sore topic here in Houston.

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

I went and saw it when it was at Ellington on it’s way. Sad that it didn’t wind up at JSC.

10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  RataTejas

I was there too, we had to park a mile away in the side of HWY 3 and walk along the railroad tracks just to get into Ellington because of the crowds but apparently “Houston didn’t deserve a shuttle”. I went back the next morning to watch it take off again and there were still crowds watching it. I’m still bitter.

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

I went a bit early and got to park in the grass. Still amazing to be able to get right up there. On the plus side, we still have the Saturn V.

When I win my billions, I’ll pay to have it put standing up, but separated, in Discovery Green, enclosed with platforms so you can walk around each segment.

10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  RataTejas

Getting up close was cool, getting to watch it fly around town was cool as I got some decent pics as it passed by my office, and watching it take off the next morning was cool. It’s just a shame that only the few of us that were able to catch it that day are able to enjoy it.
Honestly it’s not LA that I’m upset with, it’s just that Endeavour happened to swing through town on its way there. I’m more upset with the one that went to NYC as I feel like that’s the one we should have gotten. As it is, there is one on the west coast and 3 on the east coast with 2 of them relatively close together. Logistically it makes sense to put one in the middle of the country too right next to the Saturn V, but apparently our local politicians didn’t beg hard enough. Buncha BS.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

living in nyc I love being able to see Enterprise, but I did find it odd that Houston didn’t get a shuttle, I suppose had Columbia not been destroyed she might have stayed at KSC and Houston would get Atlantis.

10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  Nycbjr

I don’t hold a grudge against the NY people but Discovery is just a few hours away in DC. Sending a shuttle to CA makes sense because they have JPL. Florida makes sense because they launch from there. DC doesn’t have much to do with launching or designing but that’s where the funding comes from and they do have the Smithsonian there. I agree if there had been one more shuttle maybe we would have gotten one but it just felt political why the east coast got 3 and we got none.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

Technically Houston got the Independence and an SCA, I’d like to see one of the carrier airplanes up close, however I know the shuttle is just a replica!

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10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  Nycbjr

I’ll trade you Independence for Enterprise and we can share SCA on alternate years 😉

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

LOL sold!

Matt DeCraene
Matt DeCraene
1 month ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

I lived “in Chicago” the same way Mercedes does (about an hour into suburbia) for the first 35 years of my life. It has been at least five years since I last visited, but MSI is my favorite museum in Chicago, so much for an engineer to see. At least one of the stairwells has a display of various mechanical mechanisms. Gearing types, oddball linkages, etc.

Not to mention the aviation wing by the 727, the U boat, and trains, but the space section did have a real flown Gemini capsule if I remember correctly.

all that being said, I also visited Udvar-Hazy and Kennedy Space Center in the last couple of months, so now I have seen two of the three remaining flown space shuttles. The way the reveal in Florida is set-up was truly amazing.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Well the Intrepid in NYC has the space shuttle Enterprise in never-used condition. Also a Concorde and a SR71, both in theory flyable since that have never been cut up and reassembled. Oh, and the submarine Growler, all ready to nuke New Jersey.

Little known fact: In the 1920s, NYC had its own airforce with machinegun-equipped fighter planes.

Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Yeah, but then this giant ape destroyed all the planes…

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  Eslader
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