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This Chevy Camaro Trim May Be One Of The Most Underrated And Forgotten Sports Cars Of All Time

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I owe my best friend some credit. He’s a factory worker at a UAW-backed assembly plant that builds various SUVs. Because of this, he stans General Motors and is well aware of Betty the Buick. He’s also managed to own three Chevrolet Camaros. All are sixth-generation models, and each has a different engine and transmission.

His current Camaro is what I’m focusing on today because, when I looked into it (thanks to the help of GM Heritage), I learned that it’s something of a Holy Grail. Having driven it myself, it became clear that he’s in possession of a sports car that is criminally underrated.

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It’s sort of fitting that the only new Camaros being built are stock cars that wind up on NASCAR circuits because that’s where a certain Camaro truly shines.

Behold, The Mighty 1LE

The sixth-generation Chevy Camaro checked out in Dec. 2023, even though the original plan was apparently to phase it out in Jan. 2024. After a nine-year run, production ended at the Lansing, MI plant with a Collector’s Edition to symbolize the coupe’s sendoff.

2017 Chevrolet Camaro - OEM - Two Camaro 1LEs

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Seven months later, the remaining stock hasn’t exactly been flying off the shelves. On the Alpha chassis shared with the Cadillac ATS (and eventually the CT4 and CT5), the Camaro came in so many different variants, from a base spec meant to fill rental fleet lots to the track-hugging ZL1 supercharged supercar slayer. But Chevrolet didn’t stop at just trim levels; it offered different packages to gussy up the speed or even the visual appeal — or both. The Camaro was meant to offer something for everyone. This explains why it didn’t take long after the sixth-gen’s introduction for the coveted “1LE” package to appear.

2017 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE - Interior - OEM

The 1LE is a package geared towards performance. GM Authority offers a fun breakdown showing that the 1LE appeared on Camaros beginning in 1988 but in extremely limited numbers. The package made a sporadic appearance for certain model years before a decade-long absence, and then it popped up for the 2013 Camaro SS. Only if you wanted the 6.2-liter V8, and only if you wanted the six-speed manual transmission would you qualify for the exclusive go-faster upgrades.

Should you have been lucky enough to nab a Bumblebee-era Camaro, you would’ve gotten a Matte black-wrapped hood, black rear spoiler, wider wheels on grippier summer tires, a 3.91 rear axle, and suede inserts throughout the cabin. Chevy offered this until the fifth-gen Camaro phased out in 2015 to make room for the new platform. Although the 1LE enjoyed a brief absence for one year, it was back in full force for 2017 with an expansive list of upgrades that didn’t apply to just one, but two engines. That’s right: It wasn’t just the V8 that you all know and love; there was another.

The 3.6-liter engine offered in the sixth-gen Camaro is the LGX variant of GM’s “high feature” V6, which is a later derivative of the one in my Buick that I passionately defended. The V6 continues to see use in some of GM’s more recent midsize SUVs like the Cadillac XT6. In the sports car I’m writing about now, the engine makes 335 horsepower and 284 lb-ft of torque — plenty to make use of what Chevrolet bolted on as part of the 1LE package.

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Chevrolet elaborated on what ticking the 1LE box adds to that humble V6: 

  • FE3 suspension components (from the Camaro SS), including dampers, rear cradle mounts, ball-jointed rear toe links and stabilizer bars

  • Lightweight 20-inch forged aluminum wheels with Goodyear Eagle F1 245/40R20 front tires and 275/35R20 rear tires

  • Brembo 4-piston front brake calipers

  • Mechanical Limited-slip differential with 3.27 ratio

  • Standard track-cooling package, with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers

  • Suede steering wheel and shorter-throw shifter

  • Standard dual mode exhaust system

  • Camaro SS fuel system for higher-load cornering capability

  • Satin black hood, front splitter and unique three-piece rear spoiler

  • Unique high flow upper and lower grille with satin black accents

  • Available Recaro seats and PDR video/data recording system

Add it all together, and you have a worthy sports car that weighs less than 3,500 pounds for just $32,895. That’s about 250 pounds less than the V8 and over $10,000 cheaper. The 1LE package on its own was a $4,500 upgrade on top of a V6 1LS Camaro. And the upgrades made the affordable coupe a real threat on the track, not just against the other domestic pony cars, but against the best of the best sports cars available from overseas. 

The V6 Camaro Blasts Track Records With Dynamite

2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE - Front - Yellow paint

Car And Driver’s Annual Lightning Lap is one of few tests that get to stretch the legs of pretty much all the performance cars that matter. It’s a way to break down how fast (or slow) it takes to get around the 4.1-mile track that is the funn Virginia International Raceway. The event started in 2006, with the then-current Ford GT setting the fastest time of 3:00.7.

Since then, over 300 vehicles of all shapes and power bands have blitzed around the circuit. 

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What’s amazing is how cheap speed has gotten in the last eighteen years. It’s at the point that an affordable sports car can breach the three-minute mark. That’s right, 3 minutes is just average today, meaning you can pace around VIR at a Ford GT pace, but for a fraction of the price.

So how did the Camaro 1LE do? With the V6, it achieved a time of 3:04.0. This was achieved in 2016, yet today it remains one of the fastest cars to complete the circuit with a cylinder count less than eight. Even the 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-4 – which was made available with the 1LE package for 2019 – is no slouch, running VIR in just 3:05.6, highlighting what a fantastic chassis the Alpha platform ended up being.

For the longest time, the LL1 record – categorized by the cheapest sports less than $39,999 (under $30,000 in 2006) – was held by the Nissan 350Z, which clocked a not-slow 3:12.5 lap time. But not after the V6 1LE got its chance to impressed Car and Driver, who wrote about the machine:

“The 2006 Nissan 350Z Track lasted nine Lightning Laps and withstood 38 challengers before its LL1 class-record 3:12.5 lap fell. A Ford Mustang V-6 matched the Nissan’s time in 2011, but it’s the Chevy pony car that finally dethrones them both. The Camaro V-6 1LE does not merely claim the fastest LL1 time in the 10-year existence of Lightning Lap, it blasts the old record with eight sticks of dynamite.”

Well, maybe six sticks of dynamite.

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Why Nobody Talks About The V6 1LE: The V8 Problem

2019 Camaro 1LE - Chevrolet - OEM

You’re likely much more familiar with the 1LE on a V8 Camaro. Chevy was keen on giving you even more equipment for the latest (and so far last) generation of the V8 pony car; running on the LS1 version of the 6.2-liter V8, it produced 455 horsepower and 455 lb-ft of torque, sharing similar figures to the Corvette C7 of the last decade. Though the 1LE didn’t squeeze more power out of either engine, if you sprang for an SS, you got these upgrades in addition to the ones mentioned before for the V6:

  • Magnetic Ride Control

  • Segment-exclusive electronic limited-slip differential with 3.73 ratio

  • Unique forged aluminum wheels with 285/30ZR20 front tires and 305/30ZR20 rear tires

  • Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires with a compound and construction developed exclusively for the Camaro – offering exceptional grip on the track 

  • Brembo brakes with new six-piston monobloc front red calipers – featuring the 1LE logo – and two-piece rotors. Measuring 14.6 inches (370mm) in diameter, the front rotors are 7 percent larger than Camaro SS

  • Track-cooling package, with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers

  • Dual mode exhaust system

  • Recaro front seats with aggressive bolsters optimized for shifting and steering comfort

This raised the price considerably, of course, but to many buyers, it was worth every penny.

And that’s really a huge reason why the 1LE with a smaller motor isn’t very common despite being lighter and cheaper and still a track-day beast. Because the V8-backed SS 1LE was more readily equipped, more powerful, and had Goodyear Eagle F1 tires with a unique compound that was specially designed for the Camaro to excel on the track, it’s what got all the love. On the VIR circuit, it ran a time of 2:54.8. Car and Driver said: “Don’t tell the SS 1LE that it’s not a bona fide exotic.” Needless to say, consumers were willing to pay a premium for the upgrades. 

At launch, the SS 1LE stickered for $44,400 and neared $50k by production’s end for the 2024 model year. Opting for a smaller engine resulted in a significant price cut, to just $32,895 for the V6 in 2017. A 2021 1LE with the 2.0T commanded an even lower $31,195. It didn’t matter though, because SS 1LE production totaled at 13,895. And yet, over a five-year stretch, Camaro 1LEs with either the 2.0T or V6 engines finished at just 1,167!

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This is a damn shame because, in addition to Lightning Lap, existing owners will tell you that the V6 1LE is one hell of a sports car.

Raze – username UltraDork – shared how his V6 1LE held up on the track

So I bought a v6 1LE and I plan to track the hell out of it.  Track mode is excellent, sound is great, this thing sticks so hard it makes you feel like having a superpower…grip.  I don’t plan to DD (daily drive) it so track days here we come!

In a later post, he elaborated what happened in terms of wear: 

By the end of the weekend front brake pads still had just under 80% and backs were down to 30%.  Tires were at 30%.  Never experienced brake fade but RA is a big track and really only has 3 hard brake zones, 1, 6 10a…5 and 7 aren’t near as hard.  I also only used a half tank of gas for 4 runs per day and I was not timid with the throttle.

Biggest car eye opener was tires and braaaaaakes, I had no idea you could stop that hard, that late, without engaging T/C without race pads on stock tires, losing it or getting into trouble.  admittedly I inched up to being able to do that one session at a time and still have a looooong way to go, especially on tires and grip. I was very uncomfortable at first with late, hard braking but got used to it, it’s really not the same as karting or AutoX in my experience and I’m no expert.on either.

Biggest on track eye opener was the shear quantity of things going on and how to process all of it at once.  I found the wet sessions much more useful in this as I focused more on surroundings since I couldn’t go as fast.  This helped a lot when it got dry, it was much easier to watch what was happening, and payed off when there was a red flag on my first solo, in the esses right behind another vehicle I would have passed into the 5-6 straight.

In other words, it was doing race car things without making you yearn for a V8. He even posted a video of him going around Road Atlanta at not-quite-slow speeds. 

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The fact is: If you want to be like UltraDork and buy a 1LE solely for track duty, General Motors has you covered with a warranty. Road & Track confirmed with Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer of the Camaro ZL1, that spirited driving is covered if you get the Camaro that’s geared for it. And this perk was not limited to the most potent engine. 

So what did critics say of the non-V8 1LE? Well, non-car-centric CNET tried the 2.0T inline-4 and recommended skipping the $4,500 1LE. Track prep aside, they concluded the Camaro can’t shake the pony car persona:

(T)he Camaro is still best viewed in its original segment. Sure, it’s brimming with sacrifices, but that’s part and parcel with the muscle car experience. Its handling chops are obvious, and it packs a 21st-century complement of creature comforts without sending the window sticker into orbit.

MotorTrend was kinder in trying a 2021 car with the turbo four:

What the four-cylinder Camaro 1LE does best is prove that the Camaro is truly a multitalented vehicle. It’s not just a muscle car, and it’s not quite a sport compact. Instead, the 2021 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE Turbo is truly its own thing—and that thing is pretty darn talented.

Predicting a similar conclusion, C/D tried a V6 1LE when it was first made available in 2017, around the same time it posted the blistering Lightning Lap time.

(W)e acknowledge that the V-6 still feels like a sizable step up from the base turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four. While we doubt that Camaro V-6 1LE buyers will ever grow tired of the grip generated by this chassis, whether on a road course or an actual road, we suspect many of them may regret not digging deeper for a V-8.

Indeed, the V8 reigned supreme. A smaller-engined Camaro in 1LE guise is a fine automobile, but perception killed its popularity. But now, years later, however, it should score some redemption points as a used-car darling.

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It’s A Bargain. If You Can Find One

Finding a clean 1LE is tough, especially if you’re on the lookout for a V6. If you can settle for a couple fewer cylinders, there is a used 2021 Camaro 2.0T four-cylinder 1LE at Mitsubishi Lewisville right now. One owner, just 10k miles, and it’s presently listed for $27,991. For one of the cleanest examples of a 1LE, it seems the Camaro isn’t too affected by depreciation. 

As for the V6… well, a couple of years ago a Redditor named AuspiciousFrog posted this thread about a $30,000 2LT Camaro V6 1LE:

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The V8 also hasn’t depreciated a ton, despite its popularity. This 2021 2SS Camaro 1LE is going for $53,998. That’s a $26,000-plus difference between it and the four-cylinder also actively for sale! Yes, you get a handful of mechanical upgrades and the 2SS nets you some extra luxuries inside, but it’s remarkable what a few more cylinders can cost you. You’ll struggle to find a bigger-engined 1LE below forty grand.

The V6 Camaro 1LE Is Cheap And Good, But…Is A V8 Still Better?

Concluding the Camaro 1LE saga is difficult. It isn’t a GM Miss. It may not be a Holy Grail, especially to those who want the V8, nor is it an Unholy Fail. It’s not a Beige Car You’ve Been Sleeping On because you can get the same brilliant chassis on any of them. It also hasn’t depreciated enough to get a Gavel Gazing shoutout. And it is far from Glorious Garbage.

What the 1LE is is yet another example of General Motors’ capabilities when it comes to producing sports cars. Still, I think it deserved more love. Chevrolet billed the Camaro as the “Best Handling Muscle Car,” and that was probably correct, but ending production at just 1,167 for a 1LE model equipped with a smaller engine, a smaller number on the scales, and a smaller price tag… it just seems like such a shame.

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With that said, if I were ever in the position to buy one, it’d be hard to pass on that V8, especially once I heard it do a cold startup.

Image credits: Chevrolet

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Myk El
Myk El
2 months ago

I talked to a gentleman who had the V6 with the 1LE at a Cars and Coffee some months back. Said folks gave him crap for only having the V6. This is definitely one of those IYKYK trims in cars. I may not own one, but I knew. He’s wanting to track it, but the budget wasn’t where he wanted it. Tire cost, brakes and getting his DD some needed work. Nice chat, keep hoping to see him at other events.

Stryker_T
Stryker_T
2 months ago

I was really wanting one of these of the last gen but I really hated what they did with the bodywork, they just kept making them uglier and uglier.

Ariel E Jones
Ariel E Jones
2 months ago

I didn’t forget about this car. I even still have that issue of Car and Driver. That car was a monster. Take everything else put of the equation and the Camaro is what it was supposed to be, a ton of performance for not a ton of money. Chevy does it really well. Be it the Camaro or Corvette, they punch above their weight. I really do think these 6th gens are going to be worth something after they’re gone. Remember there was a time that Toyota couldn’t get those damn Mark IV Supras off of their lots. If I remember it right, they even offered a $10k price drop in the turbos to try and move them and that was in 90s money.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
2 months ago

This is one area where keeping Pontiac around would’ve given GM a great marketing option. They could’ve highlighted the V6 as the top engine in a slightly different body style. Maybe something on the same chassis, but a little smaller and lighter.

The V6 1LE is a great package that is every bit as good as the V8 version, but in a slightly different way. I just wish the magnaride suspension was there on the V6 1LE.

Paul Van
Paul Van
2 months ago

Incidentally, I have a V6 1LE for sale. I offer it up with some hesitation because a small part of me wants to hang on to it. Amazing amount of performance for the money.

I *just* created this website yesterday so it may be broken / incomplete.

https://www.vansspeedshop.com/2024/07/08/camaro-1le/

Patrick renfro
Patrick renfro
2 months ago

I own a 2017 1LE V6. Just installed a Procharger. The car weighs just over 3200 lbs. I’m putting 420-430 hp to the back tires. I eat SS’s and GT’sfor lunch! Could not be happier!!!

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
2 months ago

Mary Barra claims to like the Camaro but killed off its most distinguishing feature, the biggest reason the Camaro got so legendary: T-TOPS!!!!!!!!!

If it was still available with T-Tops, it would’ve been much more successful 😀

Car Guy - RHM
Car Guy - RHM
2 months ago

300 hp is pretty much the sweet spot for an all around fun car, more than enough to get you in trouble, but not so much overkill as higher hp vehicles. The biggest issue with the Camaro is headroom and visibility especially for someone 6′ or taller. I’ve seen other articles that touted the 1 LE package, GM just didn’t market it to get the word out and get sales on it.

Alpine 911
Alpine 911
2 months ago
Reply to  Car Guy - RHM

This. View out from the Camaro is like from a letterbox

Whybot
Whybot
2 months ago

It’s forgotten because GM’s marketing sucks.

Dodge has things like the Hellcat, Demon, Scat Pack, etc.

Ford has Shelby, Cobras, Boss, Dark Horse, etc.

GM has…1LE. C’mon.

I understand there are historical connotations to the name, but only the most die hard Camaro fan (who would probably buy the car regardless) would know or care about that. You need a nice cool marketing name that is easy to remember. GM is too overly attached to build codes.

Citrus
Citrus
2 months ago
Reply to  Whybot

GM build code models are fun just because they’re all these little secrets and you feel special for knowing them. Like a secret menu but for cars.

OptionXIII
OptionXIII
2 months ago
Reply to  Whybot

Three different generations of LT1 engine. Do I have the LT1 package to go with my LT1 engine, or the 1LT package? ZR1 has always been the fastest Corvette out there! ZR2 must be even better, right? No! It’s a mid-90’s Chevy Blazer!

At least try something different every once in a while.

TooMuchWombat
TooMuchWombat
2 months ago
Reply to  Whybot

I can’t stand GM’s alphabet soup trims and packages.

Abdominal Snoman
Abdominal Snoman
2 months ago

I was kind of annoyed by these cars when this body style first came out… American muscle cars aren’t supposed to be able to keep up with me in the curves at a track day, much less come to a stop in the same zip code. 🙂

Jatkat
Jatkat
2 months ago

These are all excellent points! But I’ll say the same thing I always say when somebody mentions how good the v6 or turbo 4 or whatever is in a mustang or camaro. The fact that the v8 exists completely ruins it for me. I want the sound, I want the power, I want the v8. Also, whenever people ask you about your car, and you tell them its a v6, you’re going to have to follow it up with YES, BUT!!!

Bomber
Bomber
2 months ago

As an owner of it’s cousin ATS, I seriously am impressed with Alpha. I only have the FE2 suspension since I have a premium luxury vs the premium performance but it still doesn’t lean at all in turns, jumps off the line with more low end torque and good gearing than you’d expect. When I’m ready for a performance car I’m considering the turbo 4 1LE for cost and the 2.0 is VERY moddable and good for 350-400 hp on the stock internals.

Griznant
Griznant
2 months ago

My brother has a 2017 1LE V6 (black with matte black hood and matching wheels) and it is an absolute blast. Sounds incredible and just rips. It isn’t a V8 and isn’t trying to be, but he gets plenty of recognition from Chevy guys who know what it is. The whole package is very “un-Camaro” in how it sounds and drives.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
2 months ago

I love my 2018 SS 1LE, and absolutely would take the V8 over the V6 or I4 in every scenario every day of the week. The 171 lbs of torque more makes up for the 250ish lbs weight differential over the V6, the LT1 makes at ~1800 rpm what the V6 makes at its peak. The fuel economy of the SS vs the V6 is near enough to be negligible with the manual transmission. And the magnaride is necessary to have if you want to drive them on the street.

I also got it CPO in 2019 with 10k miles on it for $33k (ah the pre-pandy days of used car pricing).

Rick Garcia
Rick Garcia
2 months ago

Underrated and forgotten? MotorTrend couldn’t stop gushing about the 1LE.

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2 months ago

The 4cyl is the one to get, they can be absolute monsters. The engines are unable, they weigh less, and suspension parts made for the v8 cars or even parts that came on the v8 cars bolt right up. See below https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/got-boost-group-gm-employees-race-four-cylinder-ca/

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
2 months ago

People don’t forget about the Camaro’s great trim levels because they literally forgot, they forget because they’ve written off the entire lineup due to the car’s visibility

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
2 months ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

Those owners would get upset, but they can’t see you through the narrow windows and large pillars. You could lose a bus to the poor visibility of that car.

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
2 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Truly a bummer that the best versions of that platform, i.e. ones you can actually see out of, were all Cadillacs. I don’t like paying a luxury car upcharge just to friggin see

SooperDooperPooperScooter
SooperDooperPooperScooter
2 months ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

And the Cadillacs had those absolute dogs*** touch capacitative controls for the entire center stack.

Another example of GM having all the right ingredients and still cooking up a turd.

Ted Fort
Ted Fort
2 months ago

The V8 also hasn’t depreciated a ton, despite its popularity. 

Am I misreading or does that sentence not make sense?

Ariel E Jones
Ariel E Jones
2 months ago
Reply to  Ted Fort

I took it as sarcasm. Hard to say in text though.

Rob Schneider
Rob Schneider
2 months ago
Reply to  Ted Fort

I think the point was there were a lot made, so there should be more available to satisfy demand, hence less “price gouging” due to scarcity.

Ted Fort
Ted Fort
2 months ago
Reply to  Rob Schneider

Ah. That makes sense. I was contemplating some inverse supply/demand curve and I got confused. Thanks!

Parsko
Parsko
2 months ago

Saw headline and Discord, immediately thought 1LE.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
2 months ago

I have maintained for years that the V6 is the sweet spot for this platform if you want to really enjoy it. I’ve driven an SS as well, and of course the LT1 V8 is glorious and makes the Camaro ridiculously fast…but it can’t really be enjoyed on public roads. When you really mash to the go pedal in an SS you light up the rear tires and by the time you’ve steadied the car you’re doing 70.

You get about 4 seconds of fun before you’re breaking the law, and V8 noises are intoxicating. I don’t know about you all, but I don’t think it would be long until I got myself into trouble with an SS. It’s also heavy. You can absolutely feel the extra weight of the V8.

…but the V6? My brothers in Christ, you can ring it out on public roads without fear. It also sounds glorious. Like…shockingly good for what it is. If you blindfolded someone and told them it was an exotic they’d probably believe you, and it can be enhanced further with the performance exhaust. The 10 speed auto also has a performance shift function that makes it even louder.

And you save several hundred pounds over the V8 to boot. A V6 6th gen Camaro is downright nimble on a mountain road. It also takes regular gas and revs out to 7,000 RPM. If I was buying a weekend/track car a V6 ILE would be near the top of my list. It’s a damn shame everyone discounts them because of the V8.

They are absolutely worth your time, and best of all…there are lots of them in rental fleets. I think companies buy them over the 4 cylinder for easier maintenance and the fact that they’ll happily run on garbage fuel. Anyway, if you’re renting a car there’s a good chance there’s a V6 Camaro on the lot.

Take one, flog it, and have a blast. I had one for a week in Asheville and it was diabolically fun on backroads. These are about to get pretty cheap too since everyone wants the LT1. You can find nice enough V6 6th gens in the mid 20s, and you know what? I might go that route over a Miata or Toyobaru. They handle that well.

Last edited 2 months ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago

You and me agree on a lot around here and this is no exception. The Camaro had no bad engines but that V6 was something else!

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago

I keep hearing just how good this last generation chassis really is. Its interesting to read multiple people really promoting the V6 in that chassis.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
2 months ago

“I might go that route over a Miata or Toyobaru.”

That’s a bold statement, Cotton. A land barge that handles well is still a land barge.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Any reference to Dodgeball, and particularly Jason Bateman’s performance in Dodgeball, is an instant win in my book.

Peter d
Peter d
2 months ago

The Camaro’s handling is massively underrated – but you have to get over the cabin that is not noticeably better than malaise error GM. Really fun car in spirited driving and the V6 is more than enough for almost anything but track days (with wealthier friends).

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
2 months ago
Reply to  Peter d

Oh the interiors are horrendous until you get into the highest trims. They’re like caverns and pretty much every surface is black plastic. You can also barely see out of the damn things.

…none of that changes the fact that they’re incredible driver’s cars, but I certainly wouldn’t daily one.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 months ago

I’m late to the game to say that as our resident apostle of the church of the Camaro, you’ve again nailed it. But specifically as to that interior, it’s been a Camaro downside since at least the ’80s, but esp. in the ’90s.

I cross-shopped the Z28 with the Mustang GT in the early ’00s, and the Camaro was objectively the faster choice. BUT the livability really lagged, and the dark bathtub feeling of the interior was especially tough.

Last edited 2 months ago by Jack Trade
Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
2 months ago

I have no experience with them myself, but I’ve heard it rumored that the V6 with those suspension goodies is the better autocross car. Lighter, better balanced than the V8…

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

This was the case with Mustangs for sure – for years, the only real difference performance wise was the engine, as to save money, the V6 models used much of the same hardware.

So the base cars were slower, sure, but also lighter weight, and with the same brakes, springs/dampers, and suspension.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
2 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Too much horsepower in an autocross car just leads to tire wear & frustration. “I should be faster!”

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago

I was a huge proponent of the V6 1LE because of it’s high redline and lighter front end. I still want a Krypton green V6 1LE. Everyone talked about the V8 but I want a screaming engine on a racetrack. Oh how I wish the DOHC LT6 V8 would have been put in a 6th gen Z/28 Camaro!

If GM had called it the “track rat” package or anything remotely memorable instead of 1LE, that would have gone a lone way to making it a more popular option and even sold more Camaros

JDE
JDE
2 months ago

Question is, would the 1LE be better with a 300HP turbo four in stead of the V6.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago
Reply to  JDE

Personally, no. I want the highest revving engine on a track trim. Money no object though? Give me a modern Atlas 4.2 I6 in the Camaro as the track monster and turbo it for the car magazine armchair racers.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago

You been watching Nivlac57?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

I was not aware of him until now. He’s my new hero for giving the Atlas love

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago

Hahaha, he full on has a turbo Atlas Camaro, though I think its the 5th gen, not the last gen. He had a Studebaker with a heavily built Atlas in it (though I think he had swapped to a v8 recently) but had that stolen a couple months ago. He is a HUGE fan of the Atlas I6 though.

World24
World24
2 months ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

That man is just all 4200, ain’t he?!
I subbed just to catch more of that. Thanks for mentioning him!

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago
Reply to  World24

I’ve always been intrigued by the motor, but also always concerned by the number of Trailblazers (and equivalents) that have bad crank bearings. That has kept me from ever really messing with them.

JDE
JDE
2 months ago

the Atlas should have most certainly been made the base motor at 270HP in an SUV, surely the cross flow head could have been a blast in a base camaro and the RS should most definitely have gotten 1 or perhaps two hair dryers. then left the large cube stuff to the SS variants.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
2 months ago

As you figured, I am not a regular writer of this glorious site and that makes me special, dammit. 

Not a regular writer? You’ve had at least one a month for a while now. You’re regular enough that I didn’t think anything of it when I saw your byline. Regardless, great write up. I had a boss with a ZL1 1LE. Hated that guy. The car deserved better. I can’t see out of these Camaros, but they do drive well.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago

300 HP is enough to make any car go fast, but the 3.6 does have a reputation for puking it’s guts out at the drop of a hat. I would imagine that track use doesn’t help.
But that aside, a performance dual exhaust and some PCM reprogramming could probably get you up to 350. Not bad for under $35k.

JDE
JDE
2 months ago

I have a 68 Camaro that came from the factory with a 275HP 327, M21 Muncie 4 speed and a 12 bolt with 3.23 gears. Nothing Power, it was often called a driveline car and yes 275 HP back then with not much else to steal that power back made for a decent stoplight warrior. I imagine the really good handling and a lighter engine would be something special. the question is what would it have been like to get the turbo 6 from the Caddy in a lighter tighter package. That should have been the modern RS.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago
Reply to  JDE

Of course, that 275 from your 327 is gross HP, without accessories. It might pull 210 or 220 net HP.
And it didn’t have VVT, direct injection, DOHC, six forward gears, traction control, and a Cray supercomputer running the show.
But I’ll bet it’s more fun.

JDE
JDE
2 months ago

it is a driveline car, it only has an alternator, not a lot of other parasitic loss items. Manual Brakes and Steering. Also the reason manuals were considered decent back in the day was the clutch versus a Torque converter. No Loss in the driveline there either. but yeah, top end, it was pretty decent for the day, but not what you get with modern stuff. It certainly would be interesting to line a stock 327 driveline car up to a v6 1LE auto and see which one takes it in a straight line 1/4 mile.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago
Reply to  JDE

It would be interesting, but you’d need some big Mickey Thompsons out back to combat the modern car’s traction control.
Comparisons just aren’t fair anymore. A modern V6 Camry would give an old 396 Camaro, even the 375-horse version, a run for it’s money- mostly based on traction-control launches, 2-3 more gears, and VVT.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
2 months ago

The early V6 Camaros with the LFX were the ones with the reputation for engine reliability problems. The first couple of years of the LGX were also a bit problematic, mostly with teething issues, but the later years were pretty reliable.

Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
2 months ago

Love the V6 and the 4T 1LE. They are extremely underrated. Thought about them seriously but wound up with the BRZ cause it’s lighter and easier on consumables. GMs insistence on marketing these (and other hot Camaros) with old school rpo code names from boomer muscle era significantly reduced their appeal I think. GM doesn’t seem to get that ZL1 doesn’t have the same name recognition for them that Shelby gives Mustangs, or the clout Dodge built by doing something new with the Hellcat. Alphanumeric names are especially mediocre on enthusiast cars if you ask me (and I have a BRZ, haha). So my vote these are hits for sure, just poorly named ones.

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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

GM cannot name anything well, much less enthusiast trims. All Buicks are “En****”, the offroad GMCs are AT4 and AT4X when they have BRUIN and KODIAK in their roster, and we haven’t even gotten to any street/track performance trims which are just pure alphabet soup. Hell the Camaro was supposed to be called the “Panther”! The Corvette is the partial exception and it works because everyone knows “Stingray”

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2 months ago

I have no idea how they came up with the trim name of Trailboss then decided ZR2 was a better name for their top dog off-road trucks.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago

They were supposedly going to call it Meteor and give it the 650hp LT4 as an option.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

Honestly its even worse when they have same seeming “trim” name with different numbers. 1LT vs 2LT or whatever. It makes it feel like you HAVE to know. It doesn’t make it obvious how they line up for performance.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
2 months ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

They simultaneously sold a 1LT trim and a LT1 trim Camaro near the end of the sixth gen. One was the base V6 and the other the base V8, but to name them so similar is one of the most idiotic things I’ve have ever seen.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago

I just had to read your comment like 3 times to even notice that those were actually different. So yeah, I apparently 100% agree. Even in explaining the problem to me, I got confused!

Last edited 2 months ago by Lockleaf
Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

I have to admit that Cadillac doesn’t seem to have this issue. They made V mean something, even to many non enthusiasts. And I think Blackwing has a nice sinister memorable sound to it. But yeah, all the rest suck.

V10omous
V10omous
2 months ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

In a way they are lucky that the 4.2TT went away so quickly, otherwise having a Blackwing car without a Blackwing engine would also be awkward.

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