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Toyota Once Tried And Failed To Convince Americans That Full-Size Pickup Trucks Should Be Smaller

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It’s no secret that America is obsessed with the full-size pickup truck. Drive far enough outside of a city and you’ll find that the default option for many people is a beast from one of America’s Big Three. A little over three decades ago, Toyota knew this, but thought it could win the hearts of American buyers by making a slimmer, smarter truck. The Toyota T100 was a cool truck that didn’t really work, forcing Toyota to copy the big dogs.

The Toyota of today is a valid competitor with the Big Three in the big truck game. The Tundra is a big and burly vehicle capable of doing hard work or masquerading as a luxury car with a high towing capacity. It’s a style of truck that’s almost uniquely American. No matter if you order a Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, or Ram 1500, you can get something with loads of power, piles of toys, and capability that boggles the mind.

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The Toyota Tundra cannot unseat the domestic offerings from the podium, but the American-designed and Texas-built truck holds its own in the marketplace. Certainly, Toyota has found success in selling a full-size pickup truck in ways that the likes of Nissan have not. Honda isn’t even trying to compete in this space. The Tundra, along with the Tacoma, gave Toyota a strong foothold in America’s truck market, but it wasn’t always like this.

1998001 1996 T100 4wd Xtracab Sr5

Setting The Stage

Flip your calendars back to the 1980s and the automotive world was a very different place. Toyota notes that in 1980, Japan built 10 million vehicles. The country built so many vehicles that it became the world’s largest producer of cars, which was incredible given how America was considered to be the largest car market. Of Japan’s insane production volume of automobiles, 5.97 million were exported to other countries, with America being Japan’s favorite export destination.

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But over in America, things were dire. The economy sank and America’s auto manufacturers struggled. In 1980, passenger car sales were down by 16 percent. However, the people who did buy cars turned towards imports. As a result, the number of Japanese cars sold in America rose by 9 percent that year. In contrast, Toyota writes, the Big Three were huge losers, sinking 21 percent in 1980. Even poor American Motors found itself in the red while Chrysler begged the feds for help.

The sinking of the American automotive industry led to widespread layoffs. Suddenly, everyone from the United Auto Workers to Congress was pointing fingers at Japan for selling attractive cars that American automakers couldn’t compete with. The UAW reportedly went so far as to blame Japan for the unemployment of its workers.

1989 Toyota 4x4 Sr5 Truck

President Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, and one of his cabinet’s first actions was convincing Japan that it should voluntarily limit exports to America to 1.6 million units. The Japanese government agreed.

Japan’s automotive industry responded in various ways [Ed Note: One way was building plants here in the U.S. -DT], such as flooding the market with new luxury cars like Infiniti and Lexus. One other method that kept Toyota’s presence healthy in America was selling tons of Hilux trucks, which were marketed here as the Truck and Pickup. Toyota had plenty of experience selling trucks in America with the FJ45 Land Cruiser and the previous Hilux, but there was a problem.

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People who grew out of their compact Toyotas bought full-size domestic pickup trucks. Toyota was essentially leaving money on the table by not offering a step up from the Pickup. But there was one additional twist in that Toyota apparently had no idea how to make an American full-sized truck.

The Not Quite Full-Size

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However, Toyota also couldn’t just ignore this. It was now the early 1990s and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. was begging Toyota brass in Japan to give them a full-size. Sure, the compact truck sold well, but they didn’t want Detroit to have all of the fun with larger trucks.

As Automotive News writes, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Executive Vice President Bob McCurry figured he could convince Japan to make it happen. After all, it was his team that got the approval for the creation of Lexus in 1989. That worked out well, so he thought a full-size truck wasn’t going to be a big deal.

However, the executives in Japan didn’t see the point in taking the risk. It wasn’t like the Americans didn’t try, either. As the story goes, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. tried every trick in the book from presenting a mountain of market research to trying to get brass to drive an American pickup to see what all of the fuss was about. They even sent 10-gallon hats to Toyota brass to illustrate the kind of space American pickup owners wanted their cabs to have.

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Toyota T100 1993 Wallpapers 2

At the same time, there was also a competing study. As Car and Driver reported, Toyota engineers asked truck owners what they liked about their trucks. Americans told them that they loved capa­bility and reliability, but wished their trucks weren’t so darn huge. Toyota engineers figured that there could be a market of about 220,000 buyers per year for a full-size truck that had some girth taken out.

Ultimately, Japan did agree to give America a bigger truck. But this new truck wasn’t going to be a true full-size. It would end up falling between the likes of something like a Dodge Dakota and a Dodge Ram. Toyota saw it as making a smaller full-size truck, even though that sounds a bit like an oxymoron.

In fairness to Toyota, it’s not like Toyota had experience developing a proper full-size truck. As Automotive News writes, making a full-size truck isn’t as easy as scaling up a compact truck. Full-size trucks have parts made for heavier work and required factory tooling that Toyota didn’t have. Reportedly, there was also fear that directly copying the style of the full-size American truck could have been met with pushback from Detroit and the government.

So, it was settled. Toyota was going to sell a truck in America that was only sort of full-size.

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Toyota’s plan was to do what Detroit wasn’t doing. Its truck would be smaller, yes, but big on space. How small are we talking? Well, a T100 measured in at 209.1 inches long and was equipped with an eight foot bed. In 1993, the year the T100 hit the market, the longest Dodge Dakota was 203.2 inches long. Meanwhile, the shortest 1993 Ford F-150 with an eight foot box was 213.3 inches. It wasn’t just a shorter length either. The Ford was 79 inches wide while the ‘Yota was 75.2 inches.

The T100 was also different under the skin. Remember how I said that Toyota didn’t have any full-size truck parts on hand? Well, the T100 used a similar front suspension and frame to the smaller Pickup. Rear wheel drive models had a double wishbone torsion bar front suspension while 4x4s had a Toyota exclusive independent front suspension. Leaf springs took up the rear and 4×4 models had their spring spans located above the rear axle for more clearance.

Toyota T100 Cutaway

Toyota was also quirky when it came down to what was under the hood. Toyota’s American dealers demanded V8 power because that’s what American truck buyers crave. Toyota brass in Japan didn’t get it. Why would they put a V8 in this truck when they could get a V6 to make the same power? As Automotive News notes, Toyota thought the truck market worked just like the car market with everyone choosing all kinds of different engines. Japan didn’t quite realize that Americans craved V8s and sixes were considered to be the cheap option.

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Still, when the T100 launched it came with a 3.0-liter V6. A 2.7-liter four cylinder and a 3.4-liter V6 would be offered, but the T100 galloped through its entire production run without a V8. Toyota’s pitch to Americans was that you didn’t need V8 power when the 150 HP pumped out by the lower engines or the 190 HP from the hotter 3.4-liter should have been good enough.

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Toyota then boasted about the truck’s 20 mpg highway fuel economy and 24.3-gallon tank, saying that you could fill it up and forget about gas stations for a while.

Despite these compromises, Toyota wanted to win on smart features. This was a smaller truck, but the cab was still large enough to fit three cowboy hat-fitted adults abreast. The New York Times mentioned that Toyota also thought of nice little touches. The 4×4 versions of these trucks were jacked up sky-high. It was normal for trucks back then to not provide grab bars to help shorter drivers pull themselves in. But there were bars for the passenger. Toyota offered grab bars to both passenger and driver so everyone could take one for a spin.

Photos Toyota T100 1995 2

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Other neat carlike features included adjustable seatbelt mounts, cruise control on the steering wheel, a CD player, and carlike cupholders

Toyota didn’t stop there. Engineers made sure the cab was held to the same high quality standards that Toyota was known for by that point and that suspension I mentioned earlier was tuned to give more carlike handling. What the Toyota T100 lacked in size it attempted to make for in doing what the bigger trucks didn’t. Yet, the T100 also managed a 1,680-pound payload and up to a 5,000-pound towing capacity, so it could still do real truck stuff. Toyota, then very well-versed in off-roading, also equipped the 4x4s in beefy skid plates.

The Media Loved It, The Public Didn’t

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All of this was good, but the market didn’t receive the truck well.

The problem wasn’t the media as reviewers did seem to like them. Peggy Spencer Castine from the New York Times enjoyed the smaller size:

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Although Toyota describes the T100 as an intermediate, Toyota has sent it after the Big Three’s big boys. Some of its key interior dimensions compare favorably with the Dodge Ram and the Chevy C/K series. And this sleek V6 pony is agile enough to run circles around Detroit’s muscular V8 workhorses, two of which — the Ram and the ’97 Ford F-150 — I also drove.

Does one really need the 230 horsepower of a Ram V8 to drive to the supermarket? I had a hard time reining in the monster Dodge to stay under my neighborhood’s 25- mile-an-hour limit. And do you really need a truck so wide that it straddles your driveway? In a 1997 Ford F-150, I was afraid to back up in a busy school parking lot for fear I’d take out three cars and an untold number of children. The T100 is still a big truck — I had to reach down to get my burgers from a drive-through window. But it was a lot easier to slip into parking places.

Inside, the T100 ($28,349 as tested) was comfy and cozy, with plenty of storage spaces, serviceable cup holders and easy-to-use controls. In the Ram, with its huge center console and side mirrors the size of small televisions, I felt as if I were in the land of giants. At least the folks at Ford seem to have gotten the message: The F-150 includes some nice touches, like dual air bags and extra power outlets.

Popular Science called the T100 the “Best of What’s New” while J.D. Power praised the truck’s quality for multiple years. The legendary John Davis of MotorWeek offered his own take:

In that review, Davis noted that Toyota’s prospective buyers didn’t care for butch looks, so the T100 was given a gentle design reminiscent of the Pickup that came before it. Davis also noted that like a big truck, the T100 had no problems swallowing 4×8 plywood sheets between the wheel wells. MotorWeek praised the T100’s payload and towing capacity, but mentioned that its 12.6-second 60 mph acceleration time was so slow that actually carrying a heavy payload would be an “ordeal.”

Despite saying that there was a market of 220,000 people a year for a truck like this, Toyota expected to sell 60,000 T100s a year. The reason was two-fold. The truck was built in Japan, which meant it was subject to the 25 percent Chicken Tax. The factory that built the truck could only assemble so many trucks, anyway.

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MotorWeek said the T100 started at $14,000 and if you wanted the hopped-up SR5, that set you back $16,000. Davis noted that these prices — thanks to the Chicken Tax — meant that the T100 was $3,000 more expensive than an equivalent F-150. So, you really had to want a T100 because you were paying more for physically less truck. Then there was just the problem of converting absurdly loyal American truck buyers away from their domestics and into an import.

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Ultimately, MotorWeek concludes that the T100 is a bit of a hybrid. It’s sized closer to a mid-size truck and handles like a compact truck, but hauls like a full-size truck. However, Toyota’s choice to stick with light-duty components and the V6 engine means the truck can’t work as hard as a domestic. Some also didn’t like how there was only a single cab option at first.

Photos Toyota T100 1995 1

Despite the positive reviews and awards, Toyota never came close to the 60,000 units a year expectation. It sold a third of that number in 1993 and fewer copies than that in 1994 when the first Xtracab launch. Toyota refreshed the model in 1995 but that didn’t work, either. The best year for sales was 1996, when Toyota moved around 38,000 units. However, that was a drop in the pond compared to Ford slinging 850,000 trucks that same year.

Toyota began to recognize its mistake early on. It answered the calls for a bigger cab, but didn’t have any quick solutions to the price or the engine. MotorWeek notes that Toyota planned to move production to America to save the T100 from the Chicken Tax as well as to get a V8 from a domestic automaker to solve that complaint.

Toyota’s response to the poor sales of the T100 was to make a larger successor, the T150.

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Toyota Tundra 1999 Wallpapers 2

This truck would eventually become known as the Tundra, but not before it went through its own nightmare of a development cycle. Automotive News notes that when Toyota first displayed the Tundra to dealers it had a V6. Dealers told Toyota to give it a V8 or don’t even bother. The Tundra did end up with a V8 and sales soared, but Toyota still received complaints about the first-generation Tundra being too small and not having the hauling capabilities of an American truck.

Toyota did eventually figure out how to make a truck for Americans, but it took a very long time. It did so by letting Americans take the reins in designing a truck. Finally, in 2006, Toyota launched the second-generation Tundra, a truck that was unapologetic in playing the same game as the trucks the Big Three were playing. This was the truck that those executives in Japan were scared about in 1993. But, it has since paid off.

Normally, I would call a story like the T100’s an Unholy Fail. But this time I don’t want to go there. By all accounts, it seemed that Toyota just had to learn how to make trucks the hard way. The T100 might have been a bit of a failure and proof that even mighty Toyota can have a miss, but it motivated Toyota to keep going back to the drawing board until it came out with something that worked. If anything, it’s a story reminding you that if you get knocked down, you can still get back up and keep on swinging.

(Images: Toyota, unless otherwise noted.)

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Sailin' Shoes
Sailin' Shoes
1 day ago

Truckin’ public really missed out on this one. My 96 T100 v-6 still going at 440,000 miles.

Colin Greening
Colin Greening
22 hours ago
Reply to  Sailin' Shoes

I have a 96 as well with the 3.4 V6 @318k. Neat to see one of the same vintage with higher mileage still on the road.

Bob
Bob
1 day ago

“I had a hard time reining in the monster Dodge.” “Inside, the T100 was comfy and cozy.”

Signed, a woman. Done. Game over.

Last edited 1 day ago by Bob
Gene1969
Gene1969
22 hours ago
Reply to  Bob

Interesting comment given that the Ram 1500 has the highest amount of women buyers in the segment.

Pickup Truck Demographics: F150, Silverado, Sierra, Ram, Tundra

  • Ram 19%
  • Toyota 17%
  • Ford 16%
  • Chevy 16%
Bob
Bob
13 hours ago
Reply to  Gene1969

In 1996? And, despite little statistical significance, the real question is “How many men read that review and decided not to buy the Toyota?”

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago

The hate/ridicule of the T-100 over at Pickup Truck forum was brutal! “3/4 a full-sized” was the nice thing they said about it. Even the first gen Tundra was derided as a 7/8th pickup.

This is the biggest take of all.

absurdly loyal American truck buyers

Full sized trucks are a religion to these people. That should answer every question you have about the state of full-sized pickup trucks.

Tbird
Tbird
1 day ago
Reply to  Gene1969

I cannot imagine needing anything bigger than an OBS Ford or GMT400. Have driven and ridden in many of both. I had a modern Silverado as a rental recently and it was HUGE. An old Ranger would meet all my truck needs, I think the T100 is right sized.

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago
Reply to  Tbird

Needs and desires are two completely different things, but the good news is that if you think the T100 is right sized then any of the “Midsized” trucks out there will do you well as they are comparable in width. (They do have deeper beds though.)

Tbird
Tbird
1 day ago
Reply to  Gene1969

Yes, I imagine the current Ranger is in spitting distance of a T100 sizewise.

Last edited 1 day ago by Tbird
Nega Rosenberg
Nega Rosenberg
1 day ago
Reply to  Tbird

My Tacoma is bigger than the T100

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 day ago
Reply to  Nega Rosenberg

There’s Ford and Chevy truck songs and probably Moparlantis too.
No T100 truck songs, that can’t be good.

This one is stuck in my broken memory though.

Ooh, my little pretty one, pretty one
When you gonna give me some time, Tacoma?
Ooh, you make my motor run, my motor run
Gun it coming off of the line, Tacoma.

Gene1969
Gene1969
22 hours ago
Reply to  CSRoad

I see what you did. Not bad.

Gene1969
Gene1969
22 hours ago
Reply to  Nega Rosenberg

You’re right. By an inch or two depending on the model.

Eslader
Eslader
22 hours ago
Reply to  Tbird

Yes, but that’s because your truck is not an allegory for your penis size.

My neighbor with the lifted brodozer is a different story.

Tbird
Tbird
21 hours ago
Reply to  Eslader

I make do with a 2005 Acura MDX, roof racks and rentals as needed. I have towed with the Acura (I have an external transmission cooler installed). Only time I really wish I had a pickup is when clearing brush, etc.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
1 day ago

In 94 dad took me with him shopping to replace his beat down square body. He tested this and liked it a lot, even saying the higher cost was ok because the interior was so nice. I agreed, especially coming from the 79 Chevy. He asked the dealer if they had a V8 and of course they did not. Proceeded to Dodge and tested a 2wd RAM with the 5.9. After pinning the skinny pedal into the carpet and laying down 2 black stripes, we left with the RAM. He didn’t like the interior as much but loved the capability. That was a quick truck for the time. V8 ftw!

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 day ago

These were not bad, a bit cosy for larger people. That last line planted a Chumbawamba ear worm. Areegggg!!!!

Vc-10
Vc-10
1 day ago

Bigsmall… the tagline Toyota used for the 2nd gen Yaris in the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArPyajZFuW4

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
1 day ago

I remember Toyota saying that the T100 would be full-size, then it arrived as an intermediate. The ergonomics were the same as a compact, seat too low, legs straight out, steering wheel too far away for the long legged. The cowboy hat test was a bad yardstick.

Tom Williams
Tom Williams
1 day ago

I’ve got a first generation Tundra.
It is just the right size.

Skurdnin
Skurdnin
9 hours ago
Reply to  Tom Williams

Yep I love mine, truly would not want anything bigger.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

When I went to college in Tallahassee it seems to me many students were big on mini pickups for moving and cheapest new cars available. Of course a rear bumper was a option

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

This is where marketing is really helpful if you got a talented marketing mgr.
Is it better to create something different for a untapped market or create a copy of the leader and hope you can take 10% of a huge market. You noticed when a new product comes out everyone copies it? Of course the product cost means how many people copy. I still think Miata does great in a market considered unworthy. I think Toyota is smart making a sedan even though they are less in demand because it is a big enough market. As for truck I bet there is a divide between need a truck or want my vehicle to look like a truck

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago

The Honda Ridgeline fills that.

Colin Greening
Colin Greening
1 day ago

I’m 23. I’ve had a ’96 T100 SR5 for the past 4 years. 318k miles. I love it to death. It’s been dead reliable and dead capable, but it’s not the most comfy daily.
I’m planning on getting a new daily over the next year, but I’m keeping the T100. I intend to swap in a 1UZ and build it out a la Ivan Stewart’s T100 trophy truck.

GLL
GLL
1 day ago
Reply to  Colin Greening

Had the same truck. What a great vehicle. I thought the SR5 seats were quite comfy.

Full sized trucks are still to big, but unfortunately their utility comes in handy.

Colin Greening
Colin Greening
22 hours ago
Reply to  GLL

The seats are great. It definitely rides like an old truck though, and it has the noisiest interior out of any vehicle I’ve owned. It makes a great truck but I’d like to have something a little more roadtrip-friendly in my stable as well.

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago
Reply to  Colin Greening

Nice!

JunkCarJunky
JunkCarJunky
1 day ago

I was aware of the T100’s and have seen them a lot, but never knew the background story so this is interesting. Hadn’t heard of the
T-150- though now I know that’s what the Tundra would become

D M
D M
1 day ago

Anecdotally, my brother had a T100. Pulling his travel trailer bent the frame. He switched to Ford and had no problems with the same setup.

A few years later the Ford got t boned by someone running a red, he switched back to to Toyota (Tundra this time) and must be happy because I think he’s on his third one.

Mpphoto
Mpphoto
1 day ago

I think the CART series’ track safety team used these back in the day.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
1 day ago

The T100 debuts in MY1993 and Japan says “you don’t need a V8”
In MY1994, the Ram 1500 laughs in its face with semi-truck looks and an available 5.9L V8. American rejoices.

Last edited 1 day ago by Rad Barchetta
Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Hell Yeah! (LOL)

ObeyThe Noodle
ObeyThe Noodle
1 day ago

I don’t remember these being as praised by the mainstream press as this article mentions. The lack of power and size was always called out and it usually placed third or last when compared to the American competition. You gotta remember that, after the intro of the new look Ram, the full size segment was super competitive in the 90s. All those old full sizes that were introduced in the 70s/80s were replaced with much better versions in the 90s.

IMHO, the first gen Tundra is the goldilocks of full size trucks when it comes to size, hauling, and power.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  ObeyThe Noodle

Well no surprise it came in last in the American competition. You think the tests were going to allow anything but 123 big three?

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago

I don’t have a magazine to confirm it but I bet Car and Driver would’ve ranked the T-100 pretty high among the others.

Tbird
Tbird
1 day ago
Reply to  Gene1969

IIRC It was mid pack – called out for low power and capability. I believe the ride, build quality and interior were praised

It was a 3/4 sizer, which is all most of us need unless towing.

Last edited 1 day ago by Tbird
86-GL
86-GL
22 hours ago

Beating the domestics at their own game was always going to be an uphill battle- But considering the truck was specifically designed to be successful in North America, I think it’s fair to judge it in that context.

This isn’t the usual situation where fans can hand-wave the low sales on “It’s a European/Japanese truck, of course Americans wouldn’t understand”.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 day ago
Reply to  ObeyThe Noodle

There was a lot of turmoil in the truck market around that time. Ford had split the F150 off from the rest of the F-series truck line, and made it softer and more car-like. Dodge attacked the full-size truck segment with a truck that introduced more creature comforts, but also looked big and tough. (Although it was really only marginally bigger than the outgoing F150 and not much different in size from current GM competition.)

The T100 landed in an awkward in-between point in both size and passenger comfort vs. work duty when the rest of the pickup sector was also trying to find its feet in the midst of conflicting consumer segments plus meeting a new generation of safety standards. Was it a supposed to be a bigger take on the traditional rugged and thrifty/efficient HiLux-based pickup? Was it meant to appeal to the burgeoning suburban pickup-buying market (that the new F150 seemed to be aimed squarely at)? It wasn’t quite either and a lot of the articles I read tended to bring up that identity crisis. Ultimately, it really was essentially a larger Toyota pickup for buyers who definitely wanted a Toyota. Everybody else was trying to decide among the compact Ranger and S-10, the mid-size Dakota, or the three-way race of the Big Three’s full-size pickups with the added wrinkle of the polarizing New F150 in the mix.

Tbird
Tbird
1 day ago
Reply to  UnseenCat

Ironically, the ‘new’ F-150 was bigger than the OBS.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 day ago
Reply to  Tbird

Pickups really started getting bigger — especially wider in the cab — around that time. Older ones look positively compact when parked next to the latest ones now.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 day ago

For a brief time after I returned Stateside from Japan after I separated from the USAF, I sold Toyotas at the old San Francisco Autocenter.
We had a couple of these – and they just didn’t sell.
Partly because San Francisco is not a big truck market – and partly becasue the T100 just couldn’t handle the loads that cheaper full-sized trucks from Detroit could.

Last edited 1 day ago by Urban Runabout
1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Well cheaper because chicken tax added 25%>

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 day ago

The folks who were shopping it didn’t care about the money – they cared that it didn’t have the payload ratings they needed for their purposes.

Because the people who were shopping for full-size trucks in San Francisco were not seeking a broccessory* or a gender-affirmation vehicle. They needed a truck to do truck things.

*Those guys bought 4Runners.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 day ago

The T100 should be in Wikipedia as a prime example of how people buy vehicles. It’s almost never a rational decision where you get what would meet your needs.

Almost EVERONE buys the vehicle they want instead.

I remember an article years ago in Car and Driver where a woman asked one of their writers what she should buy to replace her Chevy Trailblazer. Her main issues with it were it was too big and didn’t get great gas mileage. He told her to buy an Accord or Camry.

She bought a GMC Envoy.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
1 day ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Can’t fix willing ignorance.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Well there had to be more questions in between like usage.

Dave mid-engine
Dave mid-engine
1 day ago

“I want to sit up high” is more preference than actual usage.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
20 hours ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I wonder if we’re thinking of similar articles. The John Phillips column where he called it Fido Barks the Numbers. Little reversed but sounds similar. I’ve always had that column in the back of my mind whenever giving car advice.

Aron9000
Aron9000
1 day ago

Dad had one of these new back in the 90s. I just think of it as a slightly bigger Tacoma, the rear seat could actually be used by us kids(his old 1985 xtra cab didnt even have a back seat and we got too big to do 3 across)

As for why the t100 failed, it was the price. It was ABSURDLEY expensive for what you got. Loaded 4wd Tacomas were already expensive, costing what a mid trim full sizer cost. Then the t100 was like 5k more than that, which bought you a loaded silverado back then.

Cam.man67
Cam.man67
1 day ago

The owner of one of the farms I rent has a 2wd, reg cab, longbed T100 with about a billion (actually , probably only around 150k) miles on it. Honestly, I don’t know how it’s still running. I’m not sure it ever receives any maintenance ever, but it still somehow manages to start and run every day. The shifter is completely worn out, and the last time I drove it 1st gear was basically inaccessible. Nice size of a truck though.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 day ago

*looks at topshot*

Biggie Smalls?

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 day ago

I remember these. They were extraordinarily well built, in a Cressida sort of way. I thought they should wagonize it into an SUV.

Last edited 1 day ago by Michael Beranek
Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 day ago

Here in The Land That Rust Forgot™, I still see them from time to time. There are 4 of them on FBM currently, all with around 200k miles, still selling for $4-6k.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago

Nice write up.
“Toyota then boasted about the truck’s 20 mpg highway fuel economy”
That’s pathetic, especially considering your most visceral review, that still occupies my mind, of the Ford F150 with FP700 package.
“Put it in Normal mode or Eco mode and the truck will drive like any other F-150 you’re used to. In the 200 miles one-way I drove to the Tawas Point Lighthouse, I kept it around the speed limit and averaged 25 mpg. I got 21 mpg on the way back down, where I played with the throttle a bit more. Compare that to the 11 mpg I got when I was testing the truck’s acceleration.”

That article stays with me because if a high mounted brick can get 25mpg. highway, why don’t we have aerodynamic sedans easily getting 50mpg. highway?

Aron9000
Aron9000
1 day ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

There is also a 30 year gap in technology here dude. 4 speeds vs 10 in the transmission. 20mpg at that time in anything other than a 2wd/4 cylinder/5 speed minitruck was pretty good

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago
Reply to  Aron9000

Valid,good for the time. If the 25mpg with a 400hp.coyote V8(nevermind the extra load of belt driving supercharger even when not compressing) in the high brick F150 is accurate. Trust it is, and aware that the engine is only producing a fraction of it’s potential when cruising, but convinced we could do much better with current engines if packaged in aerodynamic vehicles, with efficient top gear.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
1 day ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

why don’t we have aerodynamic sedans easily getting 50mpg. highway?

The 2.5L Sonata that I rented in 2022 got 42 mpg highway across a thousand mile road trip. I thought that was very impressive for such a big, non-hybrid non-turbo four-banger considering my turbo-six 3.0L Volvo gets 22 mpg highway on a good day.

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago

Insurance covered a rented 2021 Elantra for me when my car got t-boned. Got 49mpg over 400 miles. That was the only aspect that impressed me. Surprised your Volvo doesn’t do better than that.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
1 day ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

It is a 325 hp two-ton turbocharged behemoth from 2012. Given our prior Volvos, I’m fairly smitten with its economy to performance ratio, really.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 day ago

My 2012, 2 ton, twin turbocharged 3 liter BMW convertible gets 13-14 mpg around town. With its 2.56 rear gear and 1:1 top gear in the trans, it averaged 26 mpg on a 3500 mile road trip from California to Nebraska and back. There are a couple of hills between here and there and I set the cruise control at 75-85 mph. (That also included a week of driving around town at the halfway point).

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Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
16 hours ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

My 2012, 2 ton, twin turbocharged 3 liter BMW convertible gets 13-14 mpg around town. 

Hah, so it’s a tradeoff since I get around 16-17 mpg city (well, suburb). To be fair, I cruise at 82 mph for the most part and the 22 figure stays steady, so that’s about the max the Aisin 6spd + Haldex AWD can manage (too lazy to look up the ratios).

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
16 hours ago

To be fair, my town is in the foothills of the Sierras, not much flat ground. But when I lived along the river, I only got 15 ± around town.

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86-GL
86-GL
23 hours ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

20mpg doesn’t sound like much, but that was an impressive number for a truck in the 90s. A comparable light-duty 1500 probably averaged 14mpg. We are very spoiled by the economy of modern trucks.

You could expect over 30mpg in subcompacts like the Tercel, but you had to make do with only 80hp. Mid to large sedans returned numbers in the mid to low 20s.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
1 day ago

This people reviewing the data forgot that us Americans are kind of famous for saying we want one thing but choosing something else.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
1 day ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

We’re also famous for wanting more capability than we’d actually use. Sure, many pickups do a lot of real work, but many others do nothing more arduous than a run to Costco.

lastwraith
lastwraith
1 day ago

Hey now, Costco has some large boxes!
Probably more strenuous than what most trucks of a certain type do around here.

Jatco Xtronic CVT
Jatco Xtronic CVT
1 day ago

Cars are only ever used to their fullest potential when their death is foreseeable in the immediate future.
Trust me, the Jatco CVT knows.

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