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Toyota’s Only Electric Car Is Struggling To Find Buyers Who Don’t Already Own A Toyota

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Cars are sometimes described as “irrational purchases,” though I don’t entirely buy that. We live in a society that is designed around vehicles, and it’s not irrational for people to have tastes, even if lately it means people buying more car (or truck) than they really need. The one consumer who seems to be the most rational is the EV buyer.

There’s a new report out that shows the “conquest rate” of EVs that have been on sale for a while, and the extremely mid-Toyota bZ4x (Toyota’s only EV sold in North America) is the one that’s least likely to find customers from other brands. On the other side of this is the Ioniq 5, which is definitely not mid.

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I haven’t driven a VW ID.3, mostly because they don’t sell it here, but Volkswagen has found a way to sell them: Make them cheaper. Amazing!

The one EV buyer who was maybe not rational was Hertz. The car rental company shot itself in the foot when it rode a wave of EV hype and bought a bunch of electric cars that few wanted to rent. Hertz is still paying the price, even though it’s finally sold off a big chunk of its EV fleet.

Nissan had a rough quarter, which isn’t a surprise, and it is finally talking about closing factories and cutting back. In total, Nissan is looking to remove a million units of capacity.

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The Hyundai Ioniq 5 Is The Conquest King

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Source: Hyundai

Do you know what’s a good EV? The Hyundai Ioniq 5. It looks good. It’s not bad to drive. It gets decent range and, especially if you lease it, it’s not a bad deal. Hyundai is still a brand on the rise, so it has a high conquest rate (i.e. people from another brand buying its cars) relative to more established companies.

According to this report from S&P Global Mobility, registration data in the United States shows that Hyundai has a conquest rate of about 52.5%. The Ioniq 5? That car’s conquest rate was 74.2%, higher than any other mainstream electric car that was tracked (Tesla is not on this list).

In close second was the Cadillac Lyriq at 72.6% and, somewhat surprisingly, the GMC Hummer EV (pickup) at 71.3%. The Kia EV6, which is a platform-mate of the Hyundai, tied with the Volkswagen ID.4 at 57.4%.

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You can see the whole range and, at the bottom, is the Toyota bZ4x, which is a car that I assume exists almost entirely for three kinds of buyers:

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  • People who want an EV and will only buy a Toyota.
  • People who saw a very, very cheap lease for a Toyota and jumped at it.
  • Uber drivers.

Recognizing the issue, Toyota has lowered the price of the bZ4x by $6,000, and, even then, its lackluster range (252 miles) and charging speeds (peak 150 kW CCS) make that not a great deal. Toyota’s overall conquest rate is low, but a lot of that’s due to Toyota being supply-limited and having high loyalty rates.

The F-150 Lightning and Mach-E also do better than the Ford average, which shows the tough position that Ford is in right now with regard to electrification. It’s both making popular EVs and also doing so in a way that’s so far from profitable it’s not like more sales are going to turn it around for the automaker.

The VW ID.3 Shows There’s A Butt For Every Seat At The Right Price

A white Volkswagen ID.3 electric hatchback rolling off the production line
Photo credit: Volkswagen

Is Volkswagen too serious? Volkswagen used to be about love, right? When did that change? I’m hopeful that the fun ID.Buzz helps Volkswagen see that it should embrace the love again.

In Europe, at least, VW has gone a little softer with its “Lease it, love it, fall in love again” campaign centered around leasing VW ID.3s at a rate even cheaper than the Volkswagen Golf. According to Manager Magazine, it’s working (translated):

In 2024, more than 6,000 customers are expected to have taken advantage of the offer; only 2,500 were planned. And this year, too, expectations were exceeded. According to an internal email exchange available to manager magazin, manufacturers and retailers had already exceeded the target of 5,000 leasing contracts several days before the end of the campaign.

The registration figures for the ID.3 show how extraordinary the values ​​are: Last year, more than a quarter of the 20,101 newly registered models are likely to have come from the special campaign in February.

I think this goes to show that there’s a price level where people are willing to gamble on EV ownership, and most electric cars outside of China aren’t quite there yet.

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Hertz Lost $2.9 Billion In 2024, Finally Offloaded Its EV Fleet

A white Polestar 2 parked next to a Hertz rental agency sign.
Photo credit: Polestar

Hertz made the big gamble to buy a bunch of EVs, especially from Tesla, at the height of EV hype. It didn’t work out for the company. Renters didn’t seem to want to hassle with recharging a car, and, perhaps worse, the company assumed a lower operating cost that never materialized.

The company decided to reverse course and sell many of its EVs at a loss, but they bought high and, when Tesla and BYD started a global EV price war, saw depreciation soar. According to the company’s 2024 financial report, the company lost $2.9 billion on $9.0 billion of revenue.

Some of this is still tied to EVs, as the company is trying to improve its depreciation per unit, which jumped well above the $300 rate it wants to hit.

Per Bloomberg:

The company showed improvement in depreciation costs, which fell 16% to $422 a vehicle per month, but that is still high compared to traditional levels of less than $300. Hertz said it is changing over vehicles in its fleet to bring its depreciation costs in line with normal levels.

I know people who have purchased ex-rental fleet EVs and gotten a great deal on them, so not everyone lost in this transaction.

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Update: A Hertz spokesperson had this to say:

We’ve sold the 30K that we previously announced last year– not all of our EV fleet. As we said during our earnings call and previous earnings, EVs will continue be a part of our fleet as we recognize their strategic value in markets with established product market fit and infrastructure, particularly in our rideshare rental program partnerships with Uber and Lyft, where drivers receive advantageous partner incentives for choosing EVs over traditional ICE vehicles, and in our international markets.

Additionally, as part of the normal course of business, we will continue to sell both ICE and EVs through our sales channels, including direct to consumers through Hertz Car Sales. As one of the world’s largest used car dealers we are excited about the unique opportunity that Hertz Car Sales presents to generate greater returns and as a result are prioritizing making retail our primary car selling channel.

Nissan Will Finally Agree To Cut Plants

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Source: Nissan

It’s a terrible situation when a company has to lay people off or, in the case of automakers, stop production at whole facilities. These moves not only harm individuals, they can have a huge and dramatic impact on communities.

So it’s not a good thing that Nissan has to reduce its capacity over the next few years through a mixture of layoffs, shift reductions, and plant closures. It’s terrible.

If the company is to survive, though, it needs to make a major correction. Nissan, it seems, is ready to make that correction. Here are the first steps, according to Automotive News:

Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida, desperately trying to dig out from back-to-back quarterly net losses, plans to shutter three factories in the next two years, cut shifts at U.S. plants, slash executive ranks by 20 percent and cast about for new partners in a bid to keep the Japanese carmaker going.

Uchida outlined those steps and more Feb. 13 as he updated the turnaround plan he unveiled in November and announced tumbling profits in the latest financial quarter.

The embattled Nissan Motor Co. boss also defended his board’s decision to pull the plug on merger talks with Honda Motor Co., a move that was finalized by both companies earlier in the day.

Uchida said Honda’s revised proposal to make Nissan a subsidiary was unacceptable.

The other thing Nissan has to do is make cars people want to buy and, at least with the Kicks and maybe the new Murano, there’s some progress in that direction.

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What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

It’s Wyclef and the Refugee All-Stars doing their take on “We Trying To Stay Alive.” Great stuff.

The Big Question

If you were to buy an EV, would it be from the brand of the car you already own? Good luck Scion owners.

 

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Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
1 month ago

Weel this is interesting, Hertz has 72 Shelby Mach Es for sale, they are all pirced at $60,000 and have less than 10K miles at a cursoury glance.
https://www.hertzcarsales.com/used-electric-vehicles.htm?geoRadius=0&geoZip=48120&make=Ford&model=Mustang%20Mach-E&trim=GT&normalExteriorColor=Black&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
1 month ago

Hmm, currently have a Mazda, a Volvo, and a Mini.

Nothing from Mazda, so they’re out.
Volvos EVs are all Chinese made, so that’s a no-go.
The Mini SE might be interesting if they make them in the US. Still, the range is too little and the weight is too much for a Mini.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
1 month ago

Tesla: nope
Toyota: nope

Maybe H/K. But more likely whichever company comes out with a convertible. Not sure who will step up to the plate. Not sure what I’ll do if it’s Stellantis with a Jeep of some kind.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
1 month ago

If you were to buy an EV, would it be from the brand of the car you already own?”

Well, let’s see. In my fleet we have:

A Toyota- Nope, see today’s Morning Dump

A GMC- Hell naw, I ain’t got time for that Ultium Jibba-Jabba

A Mazda- They don’t sell one

So, that’s a negative Ghost Rider.

I’m honestly not sure what EV I would buy. I really like a lot about the Rivian R1T, but I spent some time inside one at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday, and the everything in the touchscreen controls annoyed the ever-loving shit out of me. I don’t know if I could look past that.

I’ll say Ioniq 5N for now, because it sounds pretty fun, with the caveat that I haven’t sat in one, so that could change my mind.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
1 month ago

Would I buy an EV from a brand I already own. Yes and No. Yes because they have a sedan/coupe that “looks” good. No because I will never again buy anything from Stellantis.

Protodite
Protodite
1 month ago

Cadillac: Yeah! I’d do that. The Lyric looks great, the Optic is intriguing, and if I hit the lottery you know there’d be a Celestiq (ideally the Sollei…) in some sort of fabulous Firmest paint job.
Mercedes: Lol no way
Saab: I wish… But probably not the NEVS debacle
Tesla: Yep. I mean not much more to say, but I’d get another one over almost any non-manual transmission car

Pilotgrrl
Pilotgrrl
1 month ago
Reply to  Protodite

I’m with you on the Saab. My first car was a used 900S, which I still miss.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
1 month ago

I did buy an EV from GM which is where my other cars are from. Nothing special, just solid. Which is the way I like it.

Beer-light Guidance
Beer-light Guidance
1 month ago

I would have already gotten an EV BMW or Volvo wagon if one were available.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
1 month ago

Eh, just slam an EX90 or iX. 4″ drop and they are essentially wagons. A bit thicc, but wagons.

Beer-light Guidance
Beer-light Guidance
1 month ago

Dimensions just don’t look right. The EX90 is 5 inches higher than my XC70 that is already a pretty tall wagon.

BagoBoiling
BagoBoiling
1 month ago

I’m holding out hope for a V60 EV. Sold our 17 V60 CC and got into a ZDX lease. Would have loved to stay Volvo but the EX40 is a little too small.

Ben
Ben
1 month ago

GM: Probably. I was pleasantly surprised by how the new Equinox EV looked in person, although I have no idea how it is beyond that.

Toyota: LOL. The Bees Forks is not “mid”, it’s one of the worst non-compliance EVs ever made. I have trouble coming up with any reason I would buy one of those.

sentinelTk
sentinelTk
1 month ago

Meh…..I’m waiting for the Toyobaru EV to get the $0 down, $99 lease treatment.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
1 month ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

It’s coming. That platform is a laggard. Was the day it was released.

10001010
10001010
1 month ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

As a current Toyobaru owner (the fun to drive one) the electric crossover thing they released is a big Meh. It just feels phoned in rather than dialed in which is disappointing because when those two companies actually care they can develop a great car.

sentinelTk
sentinelTk
1 month ago
Reply to  10001010

Yeah, the BRZ86 is a blast. And agreed the bz4solxthingsomething is very meh, but a cheap new meh makes for the perfect runaround errand car.

Data
Data
1 month ago

“If you were to buy an EV, would it be from the brand of the car you already own?”
As a current owner of two Mazda’s that would be a no.

If I was to buy an EV and throw financial caution into the wind, it would be a Lucid.

Ottomadiq
Ottomadiq
1 month ago
Reply to  Data

I cross shop Mazda and Lucid all the time. It’s also why I waffled on a 96 Corolla and 2025 King Ranch F150. ????

Dottie
Dottie
1 month ago

Since my options are Fiat and Ford, I’ll go with the 500 since it’s 2 door and relatively light for an EV. It also looks nice imo 🙂

Ford Magnet
Ford Magnet
1 month ago

So I get all the terrible reviews and ratings of the bz4x compared to its competition at MSRP. But would it be such a bad purchase when they are going for about $25k used at only a year old and 5,000 miles on them? That’s a lot of car for 25k. Seems like a good deal to replace our 15 year old RAV4 that we just use around town. Its a Toyota so it should last at least 10-15 more years without much trouble.

Brian Prince
Brian Prince
1 month ago
Reply to  Ford Magnet

I just leased the rebadged Bz4x (the Subaru Solterra) on a crazy good deal, and I am quite pleased with it. Sure it doesn’t have the range of its competitors, but it has more than enough for my needs. It drives nicely, is comfortable, and performs well in the snow. As long as they price them right, they should have no problems selling them.

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
1 month ago

Honda – absolutely, as long as it’s not secretly a GM product
Toyota – absolutely, as long as it made sense, certainly not a bizzy 4 ex.
Nissan – it’s already a EV, but probably not buying another one.
Porsche – Oh yeah, would buy 10/10. Taycan prices are dropping like rocks.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

I would possibly buy an EV from my current car company, Volvo. Price would be an issue, though, and, excepting its littlest EV, Volvos EVs are a bit steep. I would definitely not confine my choices to Volvo.

BagoBoiling
BagoBoiling
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

A 2 year old Volvo CPO is the sweet spot. I’ve seen many low mileage offerings for half of new MSRP.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

I own a Ford and a Mercedes. I would consider an EV from Mercedes, but given their penchant for complicated user interfaces, I doubt I would purchase it. The infotainment in my C class is annoying enough; I wouldn’t put up with anything more obtuse. Ford doesn’t have any EVs that I want. The Mach E isn’t something I’m interested in and pickups aren’t suited to the EV thing if you want to use them as anything more than a people mover.

Mrbrown89
Mrbrown89
1 month ago

To answer the question, yes, GM is very good at keeping customers under their brands, having good deals and rebates when you get a new lease, specially under their EVs. Just because I own a Volt, I was able to get a Bolt with those incentives. The same happened for the Blazer EV and Equinox EV, thanks to the Bolt I had good rebates.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 month ago

I would definitely buy a VW ID.3 GTX, or even a regular ID.3 to replace my GTI when I inevitably roll it over at the track, but unfortunately VWOA doesn’t want to keep me as a customer, since I would definitely not buy an ID.4 or any other crossover.

I might end up with a second-hand Tesla m3, or some Hyundai/Kia EV; even though they cannot design a decent engine with a high chance of lasting the warranty period after decades of trying, luckily for Hyundai EVs don’t have one of those.

Last edited 1 month ago by SarlaccRoadster
Der Foo
Der Foo
1 month ago

If you were to buy an EV, would it be from the brand of the car you already own?

I’m probably not going to be as brand loyal if we are talking a move from ICE to EV. I’ll judge each option on it’s own merits first and then the overall brand.

Ford: Maybe for the right price.
Honda: Maybe if GM can fix some of the current issues.
GM: See Honda. I’d probably go Honda anyway.
Hyundai: Very possible if the local dealerships didn’t have such bad reviews.
Polestar: Overpriced for what they are and over my price range.
Volvo: EX-30, non-luxury version of Polestar, but still at Volvo/Polestar prices.
VW: Maybe for a stinking good price.
Tesla: Maybe, but politics around Tesla are stupid right now. Used to be Rightwing nutjobs had it out for Tesla owners. Now its Leftwing nutjobs having it out for Tesla owners. I find it humorous that you got non-Tesla driving Democrats labeling Tesla driving Democrats as Naahhsees and expecting them to unload their Teslas at a huge loss for the ’cause’, or just because. I’m just going to keep eating my popcorn and watching the show.

While I was getting some regular service done, I was looking at the Subaru Solterra sitting in the showroom. I struck up a conversation with a salesman and he said that they’ve only moved a couple units over the 6 months they’ve had them. Outside of Subaru loyalists, barely any interest. People seemed to know they were a sub mid option compared to the Korean and Tesla offerings. This was before the recall was going out for the potential ‘wheels coming off’ problem.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
1 month ago
Reply to  Der Foo

Tesla: Maybe, but politics around Tesla are stupid right now. Used to be Rightwing nutjobs had it out for Tesla owners. Now its Leftwing nutjobs having it out for Tesla owners. I find it humorous that you got non-Tesla driving Democrats labeling Tesla driving Democrats as Naahhsees and expecting them to unload their Teslas at a huge loss for the ’cause’, or just because. I’m just going to keep eating my popcorn and watching the show.

Yet another example of judging people by what they drive being a mug’s game played by morons. I will join your watch party with some of my own popcorn, circular firing squads never cease to amuse.

DaChicken
DaChicken
1 month ago

If you were to buy an EV, would it be from the brand of the car you already own? 

Only Chevy and Fords here. Nothing from Chevy trips my trigger and while Ford has the Mach-E I really am not into the crossover look. I also avoid buying new so whatever I buy isn’t going to show up on any reports that matter.

I have been drooling over used Model S Plaids recently so maybe that’s something.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago

I like the Ioniq5. To me it represents the mainstreaming of hot hatches once again.

But it absolutely breaks my brain that it’s called an SUV for rebate purposes. I was willing to argue both side of that for CAFE (Subaru Outback? Honda Element?)

But this one goes too far. And calling it an SUV feels like you’re perpetuating the stigma against hatchbacks.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

Agreed. It’s a very large hatchback. There’s nothing SUV about it. It only has 6″ of ground clearance for crying out loud. 0.3″ more than a freaking Camry.

Abdominal Snoman
Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

I think this is an IL thing, but for some reason my is300 wagon says Utility on its registration as far as vehicle type.

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
1 month ago

My old XJ Cherokee was titled as a Sation Wagon by the state of Michigan.

Rick Garcia
Rick Garcia
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

I have an ioniq 5. It is not an suv, it’s a large hatchback and that’s why we bought it. Great daily car. Almost 2 years and no regrets. It just cars so well. Wife loves it too.

Speedie-One
Speedie-One
1 month ago

So the company that bet its future on hybrids and hydrogen, and lobbied the US government heavily to not do the EV mandate, has the lowest conquest rate. Well ‘ill be dammed, who woulda thunk.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 month ago
Reply to  Speedie-One

Don’t forget they’re also distributing anti-EV brochures full of lies in schools in Japan. To efficiently brainwash people, you gotta start early 🙂

Last edited 1 month ago by SarlaccRoadster
Speedie-One
Speedie-One
1 month ago

And to think I once admired Toyota.

Nathan
Nathan
1 month ago
Reply to  Speedie-One

Just because Toyota was not willing to lose a ton of money on your pet issue does not mean they are still not the best car company in the world

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

Subaru: LOL, Not currently. The Solterra (much like the Buzy Forks) is terrible. And looks even worse than it functions somehow.

Chrysler: Closest I’m getting is the PHEV Pacifica. Which despite theoretically being less reliable than the regular Pentastar, I do find myself thinking about it on occasion…

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago

Did Wyclef Jean ever actually do anything charitable with the charity money?

Along with Martin, Dutch Gunderson, Lana and Sally Decker
Along with Martin, Dutch Gunderson, Lana and Sally Decker
1 month ago

Where does it say that “Hertz offloaded its EV fleet”? By all accounts they still have quite a lot of them still for sale. Writing them off from an account perspective is not the same.

StillPlaysWithCars
StillPlaysWithCars
1 month ago

They sure do. I was curious so went to their website and they have over 200 listed. Some appear to be decent deals.

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