Good morning! Today, with our price cap all the way up to $4,000, we’re looking at two cars that you might have trouble telling apart. I mean, they’re both wagon-y things, they’re both 4WD, they both have inline sixes, and they both mention camping in their ads! They’re practically the same car. Hopefully you can keep them straight.
Yesterday’s cars were pretty similar too, though one needed a few more questions answered about its condition than the other. But even with dashboard warning lights and a dinged title, the Scion xB pulled off a decisive win. Quite a few of you seemed to think the warning lights were not a big deal, and easily fixed. I hope for the buyer’s sake you’re right.
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Me, I’m sticking with the Escort. It’s a car I already know, and it’ll be easier to get fixed if something goes wrong on a trip. The air conditioning should be R134a, so refrigerant is available anywhere. And I’ve got the vacuum setup to fill it properly, so even if it needs seals or something replaced, I’m not scared of it.
(And I just now noticed I should have waited for six more votes to come in before I took the screenshot. Oh well.)
So as it turns out, shopping for cars in the $3,000-4,000 price range is where things start to get boring. Everything runs all right, and nothing seems like a terrible deal, but it took me a while to find two things that really jumped out at me. And when I did, I was amused by the fact that they’re not only the same price, but also advertised as being suitable for the same purpose. They’re twenty years apart in age, however, and go about things in a very different way. Let’s see which one is more your style.
1985 AMC Eagle – $4,000
Engine/drivetrain: 258 cubic inch inline 6, three-speed automatic, 4WD
Location: Portland, OR
Odometer reading: 95,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
If you’re looking for the start of the crossover craze, you may very well be looking at it. Around the same time that Audi figured out that driving all four wheels was the key to winning rallies, AMC grafted a Jeep driveline onto the underside of the Concord wagon and created, well, this thing. It sold pretty well, for a while anyway, mostly because there wasn’t really anything else like it back then. These days, the AMC Eagle is something of a cult classic: a few people love them, many more think they would love one if they had one, but I think the general public has more or less forgotten them.
Perpetually broke AMC had to make the best of things with a few simple ingredients, and one of those was its simple but sturdy inline six. This one displaces 258 cubic inches, and is backed by a three-speed automatic, a Chrysler Torqueflite if I’m not mistaken. Two 4WD systems were available in the Eagle; this one is part-time, as evidenced by the little 2WD/4WD slider on the left side of the dash. It runs and drives great, according to the seller, and just had a bunch of suspension and brake work done.
It only has 95,000 miles on it, and the interior is surprisingly nice. Most of these things are absolutely trashed inside these days; they ended up as hunting rigs or off-road toys, and that’s not easy on carpet and upholstery. This one is beautiful, and the seller says everything works, including the air conditioning. And it is very well-equipped – it has everything including the kitchen sink. Check it out.
The seller has it set up for camping, and it has a sink and a two-burner propane stove in the rear cargo area. From the looks of it, the propane tank and water tank are where the back seat should be, so there isn’t room to sleep in it, but if you pitch a tent next to it, you could make yourself a nice breakfast in the morning.
2004 BMW X3 3.0i – $4,000
Engine/drivetrain: 3.0-liter dual overhead cam inline 6, six-speed manual, AWD
Location: Seattle, WA
Odometer reading: 174,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
By now, every luxury automaker has joined the SUV market. BMW was a little late to the party, with the X5 first sold in 1999. This smaller X3 was introduced for the 2004 model year, with all-wheel-drive meant more for snowy parking lots in Breckenridge than for trails in Moab. And while you might expect an automatic transmission in a family hauler like this, the original buyer of this X3 opted for a much more BMW-appropriate manual.
It’s powered by BMW’s 3.0 liter M54 inline six, and the seller says it runs like a top. It has been a family adventure vehicle for quite a while, from the sound of it. It has an aftermarket add-on touchscreen with a backup camera, bringing it up to more modern specifications. It also came stock with the cold-weather package including heated seats – a nice feature on cold mornings.
It’s a little dirty inside, but it’s in good shape. The seller doesn’t mention anything that doesn’t work, but if I know BMWs of this era, I bet there’s something. The 3 series sedans of this generation absolutely ate power window regulators, and when they fail, the “bang” from the cable breaking will scare the crap out of you. Just be warned.
It’s clean and straight outside, and probably rust-free underneath, considering it’s a Seattle car. Too bad it’s Default SUV Gray, but that’s hard to avoid in this market. At least it’s a stick. And it has a big-ass sunroof, which is cool.
The Pacific Northwest is full of folks who like to “get away from it all,” and the default getaway car is a Subaru Outback. But as these two show, they’re anything but the only choice. The Eagle is a good choice if you want to be able to fix stuff with baling wire at the campsite, but the BMW will be a lot more fun on the curvy roads to the wineries down past Tualatin. It’s all a matter of what you want to do outside, I guess.
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The Eagle has a CB radio. I’m sold.
10-4 there good buddy! 😉
That AMC is what happens when you have passed peak Portland and have ascended to a level of weird that makes David Lynch (RIP) look like a tax attorney in Boise.Still better than a horrible early-aughts BMW CUV though.
Went BMW having experienced these horrid AMC contraptions as a child. The Eagle would be fun as a nostalgia piece and that’s about it.
I have no interest modern old German shit. I could care less about the stick shift. Give me the AMC that I can fix with a rock and a coat hanger.
“ I could care less about the stick shift. “
If you could care less, that means you care at least a little bit!!
Hey, it could mean he cares the maximum account.
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But wouldn’t that mean he ‘could care WAY less’?
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
I care just enough that because only it’s a manual, I don’t think it should just be scrapped. One of you other idiots should buy it :p
I have zero interest in owning old German things.
I can’t believe I’m voting for the BMW, but the manual trans and weird kitchen setup swing it. I would definitely set aside some money for BMW repairs. 10 grand oughta do it.
The manual seals the BMW for me. The M54 is surprisingly easy to work on. Just remember at that mileage it should be due for its third replacement of the entire cooling system.
The AMC Eagle…I have thoughts.
While it’s certainly an interesting car and ostensibly the OG crossover, it’s also like pretty much every other domestic car of this era, maybe worse in some ways. The powertrain is reliable, but the overall build quality is crap, steering is more like “suggesting” and it’s simultaneously powerless and inefficient. Are these views from a modern perspective? Absolutely, but I have driven an Eagle or two back in the day, and they didn’t impress me then either. I’ll happily take the BMW and enjoy both the driving dynamics and the frustration involved in ownership while forgoing the camping thing entirely (that’s what hotels are for).
It looks like the Eagle has good bones. As long as the seller didn’t do anything that can’t be undone with the sink and burner set up it would be my choice. It’s so much more interesting to me as an archaic orphan car.
The Eagle SX/4 has the side profile of a X6 so if you want a little of both of these. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a35521676/1981-amc-eagle-sx4-sport-by-the-numbers/
That AMC is just cooler on every level, and the custom stovetop and sink modification, while likely janky, is pretty awesome too.
I’m more into curvy roads leading to wineries, exactly like the ones surrounding my house in the hills.
Easiest vote in a long time.
I take it you went for the AMC because it has the sink to spit into and the stove for making hors d’oeuvres?
I would be so in for charcuterie served out of the tailgate of an AMC Eagle at the poshest, most swank winery in the area.
Bonus points for a selection of Franzia’s finest served out of plastic goblets.
Now we’re talking!
I suspect the stove in that Eagle has seen more squirrel meat than it has imported chorizo.
Exactly. That’s why I voted BMW.
Not all the wineries are pretentious posheries. The best ones I’ve been to were quite laid back.
Now, regarding spiting or cooking inside the car, big NOPE.
Curvy roads and wineries may not be a great mix, just saying.
You only take the curvy roads TO the winery. Take the straight roads HOME.
Eh, that can be made possible.
Still doable under certain specific circumstances. Being a mature adult, even after some wine, for example.
I’ve always found AMCs intruiging, and I have a kernel of a plan (and none of the hardware) about a mash up of an Eagle and a Gremlin in a pseudo rally car. I have no such thoughts about a 21 year-old BMW.
Done https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a35521676/1981-amc-eagle-sx4-sport-by-the-numbers/ it even has the side profile of a BMW X6
The AMC Eagle wins!!! If I win 5 games in a row in Tic-Tac-Dough, dammit that fucker is mine!!
I was ready to vote for the Eagle till the BMW turned out to be a stick. The Eagle is probably a rad car to have that’s totally horrid to drive. The DIY bomb in the backseat is a nice touch though.
The eagle interior is the exact same as my dad’s old Concord…not a pleasant flashback. The BMW on the other hand is surprisingly likeable considering the whole “expensive cheap German car” thing.
Weren’t those first gen, pre-LCI X3 panned for their absolutely atrocious ride quality? They had a don’t-like-my-kidneys, welded suspension feel according to reviewers
They were, only for the 2004 model year really. However, I’m sure this E83 needs an entire suspension overhaul, and if you replace the shocks and struts with B4s, the ride quality ends up being a great balance between compliant yet firm enough to handle better than expected.
However I would definitely recommend seeking out an LCI E83. This one is overpriced.
The Eagle is a hack job. Who knows if that sink is plumbed right and a gas grill? I like staying alive.
The BMW would normally make me run, but as a bad weather/hauler, if it goes out in a blaze of glory I am not out that much .
TBH the Eagle itself is really a hack job.
I’m gonna say the Eagle because the X3 is a dime a dozen and you see them everywhere and…
(Sees stick shift)
…aw, why you gotta make this so hard.
this right here, I was like Eagle! then I saw 6speed and changed my vote.
ditto
I’m pretty sure every BMW vote had that path.
Why would I want an old bmw crossover?
Oh. That’s why.
also ditto
Can I get a bmw powered land-rover instead? I mean if I have to decorate my sidelawn with unreliable junk I only take out in an icestorm… it will look prettiest in a ditch on fire.
This is one of those situations where it depends on what I’d be using the car for. Daily driver? Going to go with the more modern, better equipped, safer BMW. Weekend/second car? The Eagle.
Damn you!
The BMW is the logical choice, so I picked the AMC. To hell with logic!
20 years newer? Actual parts availability? No hacked in sink? BMW for me.
The amc seller needs to call it an overlapping rig so they can charge $10K more.
Also, 1985 AMC?? ….”Owning a rare car is a huge pain in the….”?????
Darn autocorrect, I meant overlanding.
I like “overlapping” better
Autocorrect was right, it is a whole new thing, it is all about bacon and eggs and sunk costs.
THANK YOU!
I picked the Eagle. The sink and stove have zero appeal to me, and I’d probably just rip ’em out, but the rest of it calls my name.
“Stillnotatooooooonnnnyyyyy!! You know you want thiiiiiiisssss! It’s probably a baaaaad ideeeeeea, but that just makes you want it mooooooore!!”
Samesies!
I came right into this saying if the X3 had under 250k miles and a stick shift, it was a no-brainer. The AMC is definitely cool, but I still find it ironically cool and not truly actually cool.