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We Gave A NASCAR Driver An 819-Horsepower Electric Car To Test Drive On The Track, Here’s What He Thought

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One of The Autopian’s fearless leaders, Matt Hardigree, had a Lucid Air back in the summer of 2023. He came to Chicago with it for the inaugural NASCAR Street race and asked me to meet him for an Autopian meet-up. He brought me to some famous hot dog place where there were no seats and I couldn’t eat any of the food, but the company was nice. Eventually, I had to head back to get dinner as the next day I would be racing on the track. He offered to drive me back to my hotel because the biblical rain that would plague that whole weekend had arrived.

I hopped in the back with a few others and, as I got in, remarked: So this is a Lucid Air? Interesting. I had heard of them and seen photos online but had yet to see one in the wild or experience it. From the back seat, you first realize that it’s roomy. Like the old World State Room, it is big and has lovely to-the-touch materials. It’s a seriously pleasant place to be.

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Matt’s synopsis of the Lucid Air was that it was a great EV but a profoundly dumb car, mostly because of annoying little software issues. I’m a NASCAR driver, I don’t even get a speedometer, so I assumed he was just being his usual persnickety self. Then, earlier this year, I told Matt about a crazy video idea I had (It will be out later this month or early January, and it involves me handing people lots of money to drive fast) and that I needed a car. We hit up many OEMs, but getting a press car in the tri-state area in November becomes difficult as they put away all the high-performance stuff for the year, except one manufacturer that said, “Yeah, you can have it!”

That was Lucid, who allowed us to use a Lucid Air Grand Touring. So I brought it up to one of America’s most historic racetracks at Lime Rock Park, because where else would you bring a luxury EV that Matt has termed as “Profoundly Dumb.”

I’m dumb, too, and two wrongs always make a right. Or is it a left? I’m a NASCAR driver; we are more comfortable going left. If you just thought to yourself “That’s a dumb joke” then you’re right, but is the car still dumb or has Lucid worked out its small issues?

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First Impressions

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Upon getting the car, I drove it from New Jersey to my home in Stamford, Connecticut. Like many modern electric cars there’s that awkward feeling of doing something wrong by not doing anything at all. The car is so smart that it opens as you walk up so it’s basically “on” when you sit down. There is no button to push, nothing. This continues to be a weird experience for me. Even an iPhone requires you to show your face to get inside.

Immediately, it feels like all high-end electric cars in that it’s incredibly quiet. That silky smooth acceleration is followed by the first time you let off the accelerator, and the regenerative braking kicks in as the car slows itself to provide more energy to the batteries.

The regen braking is intense in normal mode and fierce in high mode. Turning it off it feels like you have released a rubber band from the accelerator and the car will coast forever. So I kept it on normal mode. As I drove along, one thing stuck out: the size.

Interesting, though, it’s the same size as a Tesla Model S. But for whatever reason, it sometimes feels bigger. Hence, it felt roomy when I sat in the back in 2023. They achieve that by better interior packaging.

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Like many electric cars, the power is immediate when you want to go fast. But I would be lying if I said that in this regard it felt any different from a high-powered Tesla, Taycan… or any high-powered electric car. Even as a race car driver with a highly attuned sense of speed, there’s a point of diminishing returns with fast EVs where they all feel simply fast.

But “performance” is more than just 0-60 times and Lucid has a bunch of world class suspension engineers. The company even got help from The Autopian’s Huibert Mees at one point, so my expectations weren’t exactly low.

How Does It Drive On A Track?

Electric cars are tough to review on a track because they all feel fast in terms of propulsion, and that speed is instantaneous. Deciphering the difference is like choosing between hair dryers (not making an appliance joke); they all blow hot air. Still, those Dyson hair dryers do feel nicer in your hands, and that’s where you realize the actual difference is.

To enter the fastest mode in the Lucid that unleashes all 819 horsepower and 885 lb/ft of torque, press “Sprint Mode” on the massive screen in the middle of the console. It’s a bit anticlimactic, as almost nothing happens. The interface changes slightly, but there are not many indicators you are in this mode. However, it does unlock the launch control, which works like many electric cars: you hold the brake and accelerator at the same time. A ding noise occurs, and a little bear pops up on the screen, letting you know it’s ready to launch. This is good because those who have driven high-powered Teslas and the like know what happens next.

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Release the brake, and you’re propelled so deep into the seat that you’re fairly certain your head must have touched the trunk. Then, as you are being turned into the human equivalent of a panini sandwich, you have to lift off and turn for a corner.

Immediately as you hit your first fast corner, it’s apparent Lucid values the driving experience and handling more so than Tesla, which is hell-bent on removing the human from the driving equation.

You can feel it in the wheel. It constantly gives you feedback on where the tire is in its traction circle journey and as those rubbery things squeal from the 4500 lbs of electric batteries and car, begging them to change direction. It’s not quite Porsche Taycan nimble, but it feels far more alive than a Tesla.

Especially in high-speed corners, where it gets a bit of oversteer, that feels almost like a pendulum effect that I’m guessing is from where all those heavy batteries are placed. Then, in the lower-speed corners, the computers won’t let you do anything other than understeer. I assume this is also from the setup of the suspension and is designed to counteract that same pendulum effect.

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This isn’t a bad thing, though, because as I drive more of these electric cars, I’ve come to respect them on race tracks for the simple reason that they are incredibly simple to drive fast. If this were a gas-powered monster M5, I’d talk about all three phases of a corner and its reaction from entry to the center and exit. But in electric cars, there are only really two parts to a corner.

The entry, where you try to slow all that weight, and then the exit, where you’re trying to get the car straight enough that the computer will give you all the power, and you’ll warp speed to the next corner. Now, some pro drivers will want to incinerate me for this, but when there’s no build-up in power and the car’s weight makes min-corner speeds a challenge you’re best bet is to just lean into the mad acceleration and use it to your advantage.

When my new crazy video is released, you will see how easy this car is for total noobies to drive fast. I’m telling you, if you’re a shit driver and want to impress your friends at a racetrack you should buy a high-powered electric car–you’ll look like Verstappen compared to them.

Is it as fun as a gas-powered car? Not if you value the art of driving. Because unlike a manual Porsche 911 or Miata, there’s just little for you to do. The car does much of the heavy lifting by adjusting the power in the corners and helping you turn.

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It’s the ultimate racetrack vehicle for dummies. Maybe Matt was onto something?

How’s The Interior?

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That’s the funniest part about driving this car on a track. After it’s led you to believe you can be the next F1 world champion. You’ll slow down, look around, and think, well, isn’t this just a lovely place to be? The interior and materials are like a Restoration Hardware and a BMW had a baby. It even smells like a BMW.

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This is a good thing, considering that the type of people who buy $20,000 couches are the same type who would want a $125,000 electric sedan. The infotainment systems are very intuitive and remind me slightly of a better version of the Range Rover Pivi system.

Although the sizeable main center console screen is a bit low, when you are driving and want to adjust anything, you do have to turn your head far enough down that it feels uncomfortable to me. Assuming you don’t crash while doing this, you will find the most robust massage seats I’ve ever seen.

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There are numerous settings, and the massagers work over the whole back of the seat and underneath your buttocks and hips. Matt said this is a dumb feature in cars, but I dunno; after filming two long days at LimeRock, I had these on the entire hour-and-a-half drive home and was quite happy to have a robot rub my back and hips. They are a step above the usual car seat massagers that feel like a rubber hammer is being shoved through the seat. I found them to be very soft and have a wide range of settings that each feel very different.

Then, as I mentioned when I sat in the back of Matt’s car in 2023, the back is incredibly roomy. I am 5’9” and think I could comfortably lie down and nap. We even fit four large males back there at one point. If you have this car to be chauffeured in, you won’t quite have the personalized seating of an S-Class, but you will feel more comfortable than the Cadillac’s car services use.

How Does It Look?

Lucid Air Grand Touring B

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This has to be one of the sleekest and classiest cars you can buy anywhere in the world, and I’m not just talking about EVs. After filming the following weekend, my girlfriend and I went to Westport, Connecticut, for errands. Westport is home to the world’s largest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates. I mention this because it gives you an idea of the demographic of the town. It’s also where I grew up.

Westport is where any technological invention made for people concerned about the environment shows up first. It’s a very wealthy town full of people who like to move money around on Excel sheets, heat their pools via solar panels, and drive the latest electric cars. It fits every stereotype you’ve seen in the movies, from every lawn and house being perfect, to every high schooler driving $60,000+ cars wearing Uggs and spending the equivalent of college tuition at Starbucks. On the day we were there, you couldn’t walk a foot without bumping into a Rivian.

Westport is also one of the top cities in CT for EV registrations. So when we were there, I wondered how the Lucid would be received; I was shocked by how many people I noticed glancing at it. Even though it’s not shouty at all, I could see their faces express the thought, “That’s not a Tesla; maybe it’s a Rivian; what’s a Lucid?”

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Somehow, it manages to stick out in a sea of Teslas, Rivians, and every hybrid. Like a high-end jacket, you can tell it’s different from afar, but unless you were trying to look, it could also just look like a jacket.

As we went around town, I almost felt the car smiling as it felt so very at home. Or maybe that was me, the NASCAR driver from a town that doesn’t know NASCAR exists, smiling because I was finally fitting in.

Eventually, we spent all the time one could at William and Sonoma buying insanely over-priced scented candles before stopping in the latest men’s athleisure store for a button-down that is made of workout material (I’m just a super basic millennial). Turning to leave downtown, I looked across the intersection, and a Lucid Air was staring at me in the face. One of the first I’ve seen in the wild apart from the one I was sitting in. Neither of us acknowledged each other, but I’m sure the man in the other one thought, “That’s it, I’m not unique anymore. What’s the next EV no one has heard of that I can buy?”

The clientele of this car is aimed at those who live in Westport, CT. From my day there with it, I know by this time next year, there won’t just be two of us in a Lucid.

How Well Does The Tech Work?

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Most of the tech within the Lucid is on par with other luxury cars, although this one was equipped with DreamDrive Premium, including “3D surround view monitoring,” which involves parking assist. By my math this system is great 99% of the time, working right up until I had to parallel park this long car in a tight spot. Well, tight is relative. It probably could have fit two Camrys nicely. Nonetheless, as I attempted to get into this spot and backed in, I utilized the 3D monitoring, mirrors, and eventually, my eyes. Then disaster, a loud noise, a slam of the brakes by the car–oh no I’ve hit the car behind. I then asked myself how that was even possible. I must be a football field away.

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Not quite, but I discovered the car did not like getting within 10 inches of the car behind me with the rear bumper. Every time I did, it would yell loudly and slam the brakes for me, which felt like hitting something.

This made a simple parallel park into a battle of man vs. computer, and I screamed at it that I had plenty of room. I got the car parked, but I think this software needs a few updates to be more lenient.

The Best Part

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The battery life is insane… I honestly think you may never need to charge it. This might be the first human device that has solved perpetual energy. This 2024 version is rated to 485 miles, and the 2025 has an estimated 512 miles.

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And you notice it. I know Tesla has all but removed range anxiety with their Supercharger network, but having spent time with those, I always pay attention to the range meter as it ticks down, and getting in on a cold morning, I’m used to seeing a loss of range.

When I first picked up the Lucid, I was paying attention to it, but I eventually got the impression I wouldn’t need to because it simply would not go down. Then, on our first day of filming at LimeRock, we charged it when we got there.

Once we started filming, it was 100%, after spending the whole day in sprint mode and pounding around the track. It was only 77%

Then, the next day, we did the same thing–it got down to around 77% again; we charged it a bit before leaving up to around 90+, and then we drove the hour and a half home. When I got there, it was 70 something. Then, I never charged it again in pretty cold weather. I used it for a couple of days around town. Did the errands with my girlfriend and eventually drove it back to New Jersey from Connecticut. When I dropped it off, it was just below 50%.

The range of this car and how little energy it uses is incredible. They achieve this by being obsessed with efficiency, which I tried to show visually in my video, but it probably proved nothing. However, a big part is that this car has the lowest drag coefficient of any production car in the world.

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That pretty design isn’t just good-looking; it’s incredibly functional.

Does The Lucid Air fulfill its Purpose?

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As long as they keep humans integral, they have fulfilled their purpose. They are working to create self-driving and have a very fancy assisted cruise control, but what I loved about this car was that, for now, you feel like this would be the ultimate version of an electric car if self-driving were never a thing.

Like all cars, it has its quirks, but you get the sense they could be fixed with a software update. That is why I can only assume much of what Matt felt made this car dumb, most likely a year later, has been tweaked and adjusted via software. [Ed note: Having been around a couple of Lucids since then, this is basically true – MH]

This would not be my first choice of an EV if I wanted one, considering the price, but if you want to be different than your friends in a Tesla and can afford then the Lucid Air Grand Touring is a worthy option.

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Oh, and it will make you fast at a track. But that’d be dumb.

All Photos Chris Taylor unless otherwise noted

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Goblin
Goblin
1 hour ago

So THAT’S why there are so many Lucids in the area 🙂
Grenadier review next ? I see quite a few of them.

Parsko
Parsko
4 hours ago

I grew up in Ridgefield. Your descriptions of the area made me laugh a lot. Thanks.

So, Limerock turned the chargers on for you??? When I was there for Miata-CON, they were off, and I barely made it home that day. Wish my first name was Parker instead of my last. 🙂

Tarragon
Tarragon
4 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Perhaps strategic use of last, first and accidentally missing the comma?

Parsko
Parsko
4 hours ago
Reply to  Tarragon

Not sure what you mean. I has confuzed.

Tarragon
Tarragon
14 minutes ago
Reply to  Parsko

Silly joke that failed.

Wish my first name was Parker instead of my last

Round here <last name>, <first name> is reasonably common on forms and letters

Parsko Parker
Parker, Parsko
Parker Parsko (ooops)

Nhizzat
Nhizzat
5 hours ago

He brought me to some famous hot dog place

Portillo’s?

Matt Hardigree
Matt Hardigree
5 hours ago
Reply to  Nhizzat

Indeed!

Dave
Dave
5 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Needs more Weiner circle

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
4 hours ago
Reply to  Dave

Or Superdawg. The ambience alone makes it.

Gewf631
Gewf631
4 hours ago
Reply to  Dave

Or Jean and Judes for the true rubber-dog experience

Church
Church
5 hours ago

How’s the interior?

How to you put this in as a heading and then not have a decent picture of the interior? Lots of artsy-fartsy shots, sure, but nothing relevant to the text. Are we reviewing the car or doing sales for Lucid?

Matt Hardigree
Matt Hardigree
5 hours ago
Reply to  Church

I added another wide photo of the interior for ya.

Church
Church
4 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Appreciated! Now I get a good sense for the roof, too. I hate it!

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
5 hours ago

Watching the video, clearly the GF is not a car person in the least.

Cool Dave
Cool Dave
6 hours ago

Personally I just cannot get excited for anything electric.. and I don’t think it’s a question of being an “enthusiast” or a “real driver” or any of that other divisionary nonsense people keep throwing around. They’re quiet, efficient and have a ton of features I’ll literally never use. It’s the same reason that now I’m giving up my company iPhone I bought a cheap Motorola; simplicity.

I’ll take the sounds, smells and feeling of the cheapest shit box around before I take the tech-heavy, and literally heavy, appliance.

Michael
Michael
3 hours ago
Reply to  Cool Dave

I concur. EVs show a lot of promise for basic commuting (if they’ll ever grow beyond the upper middle class luxury market segment they’re currently confined to), but nothing about any of them triggers excitement in me. “It goes absurdly fast” is simply not a selling point for me on its own. Most ICE cars – even newer ones – have their weird little idiosyncrasies that make them appealing, and it seems that EV manufacturers are hell bent on eliminating that from their products.

Cerberus
Cerberus
2 hours ago
Reply to  Cool Dave

Same. I hate weight and complexity and stuff that does things for you (even if such things weren’t nearly always assuming the wrong response or taking longer than I would to just do it myself). I’m not a fitness nut, but if stairs are readily accessible, I’ll take them over an elevator unless it’s over 8 floors or I’m in a big hurry because that’s how I am. But of all the EVs I’ve read about, this one seems really good, if not for me.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
6 hours ago

The Lucid is a legitimately pretty car, enough to where the fact that it’s an EV is kind of beside the point, someone almost feels like a modernized DS, and the interior materials are much more of what you should be getting at that price than the Model S has ever been

I think it would be my go-too choice were I to have f-you money, but not quite enough f-you money to stretch to a Spectre.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
7 hours ago

“Is it as fun as a gas-powered car? Not if you value the art of driving. Because unlike a manual Porsche 911 or Miata, there’s just little for you to do. ”

So those of us who drive automatics and EVs don’t value the art of driving now?
Last I checked – there’s more to driving than changing gears by hand.

At least we know were we stand now, Matt.

Last edited 7 hours ago by Urban Runabout
Matt Hardigree
Matt Hardigree
7 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

It’s an interesting point. I drove this and a Miata back-to-back on the track and, while the Lucid was faster, the manual does give you more to do. Even an automatic Miata versus a manual one there’s more to do with the Manual.

A. Barth
A. Barth
7 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

And this should be obvious to even the most casual observer.

I think someone is ashamed of driving an automatic…

JP15
JP15
6 hours ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Not at all. I have a Mach-E GT daily driver, but I’ve owned 3 manuals in the past, including a Miata and BMW M3.

Is the Mach-E better than a Miata to drive (especially daily)? Yes.
Is a Miata more fun to drive? Yes.

It’s not that one is superior, they’re different, and both scratched different performance driving itches. Also, I’ll take a good automatic over a bad manual any day, and I’ve driven some truly abysmal manuals (the Miata of course is manual perfection though).

A. Barth
A. Barth
6 hours ago
Reply to  JP15

How is that in any way a response to what I wrote?

In the item to which I replied, Matt said – twice – that driving a manual gives the driver more to do. I agreed that a manual gives the driver more to do and said this should be obvious, which it should be, because driving a manual gives the driver more to do. Neither of us said anything there about it being superior.

The “someone” refers to the person who started the conversation by being super defensive about driving an automatic (later amended to add EVs). I think this person is ashamed of driving an automatic – what else would cause the “I’m being persecuted!!” reaction?

JP15
JP15
4 hours ago
Reply to  A. Barth

I never referred to the manual itself as superior, nor did I imply you did. I was pointing more towards your “ashamed to drive an automatic” comment.

I was referring to the total package: an EV vs a RWD ICE stick-shift lightweight sportscar. I originally had a lot more text about the total driving dynamics of each, but it was long-winded and boring, so I cut the fluff. I’m sorry you didn’t understand it that way.

Is it as fun as a gas-powered car? Not if you value the art of driving. Because unlike a manual Porsche 911 or Miata, there’s just little for you to do.

I think I understand the author’s actual point here referring to highly subjective driving feel, but by the way this is phrased, it’s pretty easy to also incorrectly interpret this as “more work = real driving”. By that logic, every car enthusiast should be daily driving a Model T; an inaccurate interpretation that kicked off the debate I think.

A. Barth
A. Barth
4 hours ago
Reply to  JP15

Ah, gotcha. Matt and I were focused on a specific point and you were looking at the larger picture. No wonder we were talking past each other. 😀

The Model T is definitely an enthusiast’s car – no non-car person would put up with the foibles – but it might be a little too slow for really spirited driving. 😉

JP15
JP15
4 hours ago
Reply to  A. Barth

but it might be a little too slow for really spirited driving. ????

Not with that attitude! ????

Yes, the Model T is 100% an enthusiast’s car, and I’d love to learn to drive one. There’s a local museum that offers Model T lessons, and registration always fills up immediately.

Last edited 4 hours ago by JP15
A. Barth
A. Barth
3 hours ago
Reply to  JP15

DO EET!!

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
6 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

“doing more” does not make one a better driver, nor does it make one value the art of driving more. Plenty of people who row gears all over the planet couldn’t care less about hitting apexes, etc.

That said – you’re missing the point. You’re telling us that those of us who don’t drive manual transmission ICEs, for whatever reason, aren’t up to your standards of automotive enthusiasm or whatever.

It’s not a great look.

Matt Hardigree
Matt Hardigree
6 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

That’s not how I read it, but point taken. I don’t think driving an automatic ICE, a manual EV, an automatic EV, or whatever makes you any less of an automotive enthusiast and I’m not sure that’s what was meant by it. An ideal Autopian car is, like, a DAF with an early variomatic CVT, which is pretty far from a 911.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
6 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Incorrect. It’s a brown RWD wagon, with a turbodiesel and a stick shift. Everything else in inferior.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
6 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Wow, the jimmies are officially rustled I see.

If people are buying a track focused car, often manual is the preferred setup. Even those in PDKs like to choose the gears themselves to have that control.

You can be objectively faster by letting computers control the experience for you, but then that’s not really the point, is it?

In the Lucid there are no gears, the power output is curved for you based on cornering demands so throttle modulation is less of a thing. Regenerative brakes are throwing a lot of the anchor out for you.

The point of the “art of driving” is that you make the decisions that make you faster than last lap. At a certain point it’s the equivalent of people that “pay to win” in video games via shortcuts to upgrades.

Thus, as the article says, this is a great car to go big fast on small skill. It’s not chastising what you drive, just using the other end of the spectrum to root it’s comparison.

JP15
JP15
4 hours ago

You can be objectively faster by letting computers control the experience for you, but then that’s not really the point, is it?

It absolutely can be. Why do you think F1 don’t have stick shifts?

Ultimately, driving means wildly different things to different people, and I’m just glad we have so many vehicles out there to suit people’s tastes. Having owned ICE, EVs, manuals, automatics, dual-clutches, and CVTs, I see them all as tools in toolbox: use the tool that suits the task and your needs.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
4 hours ago
Reply to  JP15

I know you’re not comparing F1 teams with an annual operating budget of $140mil in a competitive professional sport to SCCA level or under weekend racers.

JP15
JP15
4 hours ago

Hey, you made the statement, not me. You can’t make blanket statements like computers controlling the experience isn’t the point because there are entire industries built around that being very much the point.

We both fully agree here though nobody is buying a Lucid for a track day weapon. If I wanted a track toy, I could get a used Ariel Atom, a truck, and a trailer for the price of that Lucid.

JTilla
JTilla
5 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

It is just his opinion. Quite frankly it is not an unheard of one. I continue to deal with a manual in traffic as a daily because I value rowing gears as my driving experience. I find automatics to suck the fun out of driving. So you do you but it doesn’t mean that his opinion is wrong. Quite frankly I think that changing gears by hand is about half of being a good driver. Automatics are like playing golf with a gun that shoots the ball out perfectly, you are still playing golf but the question is then what constitutes playing golf? Is it making the ball go in the hole by all means necessary or is there more nuance? That is how I view the debate and others share my opinion.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
5 hours ago
Reply to  JTilla

as an abysmal golfer this is a fantastic analogy and stick shift lover this is a fantastic analogy

Brent Jatko
Brent Jatko
7 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I think Parker Kligerman wrote the article.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
6 hours ago
Reply to  Brent Jatko

I would have sworn the byline said Matt when I first read and posted.

JShaawbaru
JShaawbaru
6 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

It does for me too. I’m sure if I refresh the page it’ll change, but you weren’t seeing things.

RataTejas
RataTejas
7 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I think it’s not ideally worded, but a fair point. There’s just far fewer variables to deal with when you have a near 900/900 car with infinite software adjustments and one gear. If you’re off the throttle, hit the apex, full throttle, the car, and that much power take care of the rest.

Alexk98
Alexk98
6 hours ago
Reply to  RataTejas

Exactly right, not ideally worded. Even in an automatic ICE vehicle you have to manage throttle and gears for corner entry and exit, consider power band and in some cars manage lift-off oversteer, and consider where the weight of the vehicle is, what the driven wheels are, and what is required to get power down efficiently and effectively. These EVs are great at going quick because it takes the skill required out of the drivers hands and puts it all into a sensing suite that can respond in ways people cannot.

Matt Sexton
Matt Sexton
6 hours ago
Reply to  Alexk98

It’s kind of the difference between making a cake and buying a cake. Both are going to taste delicious but one more satisfyingly so.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
5 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Sexton

So, you don’t think I appreciate the art of eating, because I buy cakes?!?! WAAAAHHH I’m being persecuted!!!

/sarcasm, in case it wasn’t obvious

JP15
JP15
6 hours ago
Reply to  Alexk98

These EVs are great at going quick because it takes the skill required out of the drivers hands and puts it all into a sensing suite that can respond in ways people cannot.

That’s true for some EVs like this one, but it’s also true for an awful lot of ICE performance cars these days. Looking at you, 911 4S and new Acura NSX…

The limits of cars like those are so unbelievably high, the actual performance can only be appreciated on a track. Even approach the limits on the street, and it’s straight to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

I’ve driven a 911 4S and ridden in a newer NSX. Both felt half asleep driving canyon roads at speeds my older Miata couldn’t have achieved at 11/10ths. It really wasn’t very fun.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
5 hours ago
Reply to  JP15

100% this. I got a chance to drive a f81 M3 awhile back (which isn’t even at the level of tech you’re describing) and my take away was that on real mountain roads it was undrivable without traction control turned on and besides the ferocious straight line acceleration the cornering limits were so high it felt kind of asleep in the curves and you’d be a fool to push it to the point that it felt awake. Some years ago got the chance drive my bosses’ 911 (997) C4S on one of my favorite after work river roads (i was dailying an e30 at the time) and a road that was a fun easy workout in the e30 might as well have been a straight line in the 911.

Cool Dave
Cool Dave
6 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Touch a nerve there? I don’t think that line implied those who drive EVs or autos don’t value that experience but there’s quite literally more to do with a gas car than an EV where you just stab two pedals and let the car do the rest.

JP15
JP15
6 hours ago
Reply to  Cool Dave

Maybe, but I also wouldn’t say “quite literally more to do” necessarily equates to
“the art of driving” (whatever that means) either.

As an owner of both an ICE car and an EV, I see them as different tools for the job. Pick the tool best suited to your task and mood.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
6 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Have you ever hand polished something? Ever scraped a piece of steel to perfectly flat by hand?

There are machines that achieve the same things. There are artists who use those machines. But the artists doing it by hand really are taking it to another level. The more mechanical and manual a process is, and the more its been automated by technology, the more the people still doing it the old way are obsessed with the artistry of it. And no matter how one argues it, taking a car through a perfect lap when the car does 90% of the work is less about the artistry and more about the end goal (the finished art, the fastest lap). Its much harder to get the perfect lap in a manual than an automatic, and often slower regardless of how good it is. So yeah, manual car drivers on the track are more concerned about the total artistry, because if lap times were all that mattered, they wouldn’t be driving a manual.

Matt Sexton
Matt Sexton
5 hours ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

My track car is a 1980 Firebird, 4-speed, factory four-wheel-disc brakes. I’ve lapped Road America with it in 2:38, which means a GT-R, driven by a novice, will trounce me every time. However said novice can dive into the braking zone, lean on the ABS, ride the stability control through the turn, and mash the go pedal whenever they feel like it, as hard as they like, on the way out of the turn. I’m sure guys like this are having a great time. But them doing that while I’m getting 2:38 out of that old Firebird, is just not the same.

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