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We Need A Name For This Type Of VW Beetle: Cold Start

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I just got back from LA last night, and I was going through a few pictures from the huge Galpin Car Show, and this one caught my eye. It’s a Beetle convertible, I think a 1967, and while there were many, many other old air-cooled Volkswagens, many more interesting, this one caught my attention because I realized it’s outfitted in a way that I feel like I’ve seen before, but I’m not quite sure what to call it. It’s not a Baja Bug, but it shares some traits, it’s not quite a full rally Beetle, it’s not exactly prepped to race – what is going on here, exactly?

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There’s some interesting details and traits here: the fenders are a bit cut down – not to the degree a dedicated off-road Beetle would be, but a bit. The spare tire is mounted on that carrier at the rear – an odd choice considering the already significant rear weight bias – there’s wider rear wheels, no running boards, a semaphore slot (unoccupied, and this car is way too late for semaphores, so not sure what’s going on there), a towing arm setup up front, and all on a convertible.

Strangely, it reminds me a bit of a noted and quite famous grouch’s Beetle:

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I mean, yes, the one I saw is vastly better cared for and likely free of worms, but there’s a bit of an aesthetic parallel.

The look is like a rugged-and-ready kind of thing, but less specific than the other popular ruggedized VW looks.

What should we call this, if this look/subculture lacks a name? Utility Beetle? Rugged Bug? Survival Beetle?

I’m open to ideas!

 

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JaredTheGeek
JaredTheGeek
1 year ago

It’s the Fury Road Lite edition.

Ana Osato
Ana Osato
1 year ago
Reply to  JaredTheGeek

*Führer Road

Ana Osato
Ana Osato
1 year ago

Führerkäfer.

Ninefeet
Ninefeet
1 year ago

Käfer used to tow boats, light planes or gliders…

Flashman
Flashman
1 year ago

Kübelwagen

Jimmy7
Jimmy7
1 year ago

In motorcycle terms, it’s a Scrambler. Perfect for fire roads at lowish speed.

Harmon20
Harmon20
1 year ago

That there, m’boy, is a Beetle GT.

A grand tourer, complete with hitch for flat towing behind the RV on said tour. Park the house on wheels in a new quadrant of the country and then go exploring all about the region in your Beetle GT. Spare tire on the back so you’ve got room for overnight bags in the frunk, convertible top for those days when it’s so nice it would be a sin to have a hard top blocking the view of the sunny sky or the autumn leaves as you spiritedly whip along a winding Vermont road. Upgraded beefier suspension parts for putting on some serious expeditionary miles, bigger 1914 jugs for those times when the terrain proves a bit more challenging than expected.

When you’re set on re-discovering American the beautiful from sea to shining sea, you can’t do better than the Beetle GT.

Voeltzwagen
Voeltzwagen
1 year ago

Does the lettering next to the antenna say “Mini Ponies?”

Clark B
Clark B
1 year ago

Wish we had a better shot of the rear end! All convertible Beetles had decklid vents since the convertible top and hardware meant no vents under the rear window. I could see this being prone to overheating. But it also looks like the lower part of the decklid and rear apron have been cut off along with the rear fenders. So maybe it gets enough cooling air from that setup. That’s my theory.

I suppose they could have dropped a Subaru engine back there though, but I think you might see a little more of it poking out where the apron and fenders are cut out. Too dark to tell, and it clearly doesn’t have the distinctive factory muffler and tailpipes to give us any clues. Jason, did you happen to hear it running?

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 year ago

Still looks better than 90% of the crap the industry has for sale as “modern 21st century” offerings.

Last edited 1 year ago by Col Lingus
Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
1 year ago

A Scroungeling. Got some parts here, some parts there…

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
1 year ago

Dung Beetle?

I seriously don’t mean to offend the Beetle crowd or imply they are poop, but I think it works.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 year ago

COTD.

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
1 year ago

Came here to say this.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 year ago

Only if it has a V8, so at least it goes like poop.

JDE
JDE
1 year ago

it seems like a rolling project beetle. or a junk pile beetle. took a couple piles of parts and put the best of the parts and slapped them together. the bumper tire is really weird in that it looks stock so should fit under the bonnet. but then, what else is going on up there. the smooth engine cover makes me wonder if it is a convertible thing or if there is really some other motor hiding in there and the front needed space for a radiator or something.

Austin Vail
Austin Vail
1 year ago

It’s a Beach Beetle! Want a Meyers Manx but need something you can actually use daily? Don’t want to go full Baja bug because you want some semblance of road manners, but also still want to rip around in the sand? The Beach Bug is for you.

Convertible roof for open-top beach enjoyment, more rear weight bias for better traction, wider tires for weight distribution to prevent sinking in and getting stuck, cut fenders and running boards for clearance and lightness, but not cut too much (don’t want sand flying in your face!), and a tow bar for when it inevitably gets stuck anyway and you need a friendly 4×4 to get you unstuck.

Last edited 1 year ago by Austin Vail
PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 year ago
Reply to  Austin Vail

Beach Bug is the most correct name for something like this.

Although without the spare tire mounted way outback, I’d call this a Toad. That’s the nickname for a vehicle you pull behind your RV. Cut fenders on both ends and a shortened engine deck lid means you could pull it from either end without as much risk of scraping them on curbs going around corners.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 year ago

There also appears to be a roll cage, or at least a roll bar.

I wonder if it’s used for time-trial rallies – the kind where you need to get to a certain checkpoint exactly at a certain time, and you accrue points if you’re late or early.

Those events are sort of rally-adjacent, which could explain the roll and tow bars, but they’re not rally-rallies so there’s no need for elaborate suspension and chunky tires.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 year ago

Given the lack of vents in the engine lid & presumably also the lack of a properly comprehensive set of cooling tins the engine might suffer some cooling problems unless it’s actually, say, a Subaru engine which might explain the wider rear wheels.
The empty semaphore slot might be from a previous life where someone attempted to make a Hebmüller cabriolet replica using a later Beetle (though Hebmüllers actually had the semaphores up front just ahead of the doors.)
Rather the hodgepodge of a Beetle! At least it’s out there & being driven on the road rather than sitting in a garage or being trailered to car shows.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 year ago

The colorway and the fact that there’s entirely too much going on with it makes me want to call it a Spectator Bug. https://www.amazon.com/ROYAL-WIND-Geninue-Spectator-Perforated/dp/B01MFERJNC

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
1 year ago

That’s the steak and potatoes of the Beetle world. That’s the main course that slides across your plate, straight down your throat, blasts across your stomach, does a luge through your colon and blasts its way to freedom, screaming the whole time.

That’s a Meatle.

Cool Dave
Cool Dave
1 year ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

I’m going to piggyback off this.. it’s been modified to it’s owners taste, it’s pretty cool, neat even, it’s a Neatle.

A Neatle Meatle Beetle.

Droid
Droid
1 year ago

that folded towing arm makes me think
putting the spare tire on back makes it more accessible while connected to rv.
can’t explain fenders and running boards…perhaps it had a troubled childhood.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
1 year ago

So it’s a convertible that kinda looks like it could go off-road but really can’t. It’s a VW Beetle CrossCabriolet.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 year ago

It looks like it came from a children’s book or comic book, where the illustrator took the general idea of something from the real world and applied some lightly fanciful aesthetic.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 year ago

All it needs is a VW Rabbit diesel engine shoved in the back, and you could call it a Stink Bug.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 year ago
Reply to  Toecutter

You piqued my curiosity so I looked it up. There WAS a factory built air cooled stink bug once upon a time:

https://www.thegoldenbug.com/en/air-cooled_vw_history/d7/diesel_beetle

A few stats about Project 508:

MY: 1951-53
HP: 23-25
Compression 22:1
MPG: 36-40 (vs 29-34 for gas Beetle)
Weight: 45-55 lbs over gasoline equivalent
Top Speeds per gear: 15-30-45-68 (“if the wind is with you”)
0-60: 60s official Porsche time

Fun facts:

“Porsche engineers still wonder what the person thought who stole the world’s only diesel Beetle from a downtown parking slot. Despite a long wait for pre-warming and curious fuel needs, the thief drove it all the way to Switzerland before abandoning his smokey, noisy and obviously odd steed.”

“When some bystander did hear a difference he usually asked if a cylinder had failed.”

“When I drove the car on Nurburgring recently-Porsche put its reincarnated engine into a Beetle of appropriate age from the works collection-both smoke and nose were all too evident, if not overwhelming. Lets just say that few would have been tempted to spend money on a radio with all that air-cooled clatter in the back.”

“Cheered on by spectators for an old-timer event, we may even hold the slow-lap record for the Rings short course-truly, a new nostalgia high”

As scary slow as this thing was I’m sure it was a V2 rocket compared to the project van also equipped with this engine.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 year ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I bet if that diesel engine were placed instead into a Volkhart V2 Sagitta, MPG would have been 65+, and a top speed approaching 90 mph(if you adjusted the gearing vs stock, as the stock gearing of the Sagitta was not optimized for its 25 horsepower gas ICE power curve for max top speed, but could do 85 mph), because it had less than half the aero drag of a stock Beetle.

The original wind tunnel the Sagitta was tested at gave a Cd of 0.165. A more modern wind tunnel claimed 0.216. Either way, this was significantly less than the stock Beetle’s 0.48. Frontal areas were about the same.

Last edited 1 year ago by Toecutter
Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 year ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Very likely. Even a diesel powered Sagitta would have been a V2!

(It does look suspiciously like a Tatra though and Tatras were well known to be German killers)

Last edited 1 year ago by Cheap Bastard
Toecutter
Toecutter
1 year ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Because that diesel engine was already power-starved, given the Sagitta’s similar mass to the Beetle, the drag reduction probably would have chopped 20 seconds off the 0-60 mph acceleration time.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 year ago
Reply to  Toecutter

So 0-60 in 40s instead of 60.

Definitely a rocket!

Lew Schiller
Lew Schiller
1 year ago

“Somebody else’s project I bought cheap and use to beat around town”?

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 year ago

I’d say it’s more of a Haha Bug.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
1 year ago

Low Rent Hebmuller?

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 year ago

It’s a beater Beetle! A Beeter! Or a Beetler?

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