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We Took A 375,000 Mile NYC Taxi To A Dealership For Inspection And The Repair Quote Was Astronomical: Partner Post

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There’s a certain level of abuse some vehicles reach in their lives after which a trip to a dealership — whose techs will only fix a car the right way — just doesn’t make sense. Obviously, no one in their right mind would take a 375,000 mile ex-NYC Taxi they bought for just $800 to a Nissan dealer to get fixed. Of course that’s what we did.

Conceptually, this project with Copart is supposed to be a zero-to-hero story that demonstrates the many, many possibilities that exist if you broaden your project car search to include Copart. We probably ended up a little closer to zero than they originally bargained for when we optimistically picked the cab. We chose “hard” mode and it’s been a wild ride ever since. But this is a hero’s journey, after all, and you don’t become a hero if you don’t experience any adversity.

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Oh, man, did we set ourselves up for adversity. We bought a sight-unseen cab that had been through the worst New York could throw at it, including salty winters and potholes big enough to swallow Bill DeBlasio whole. These vehicles have Nissan’s notoriously garbage CVT and the photos showed all sorts of potential problems.

Nissan Nv 200 Taxi Copart 4

What we did know was that it had a complete motor and transmission, and had been used within the last few months as a taxi. Otherwise, it was looking rough.

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Nissan Nv 200 Taxi Copart 5

If you look past the body damage and squint at the windshield you’ll notice it has a biohazard sticker there to warn would-be buyers of biological hazards. Again, this was an $800 car.

From Gossin’s Rescue Garage To Capital Nissan

When we last checked in with the cab, our NV200 was being looked over by SWG. He did his valiant best to rescue the cab and got it running again, complete with tires and wheels, but ran into a massive oil leak that was going to take more than driveway wrenching to repair.

The plan was always to swing by a dealer, both to get some recall work done and to see what kind of hilarious estimate we’d get if we got it fixed at a real service center. With the crank bolt as immovable as Excalibur, it seemed like maybe the next stop should be the closest reasonable Nissan dealer. Of course, not just any Nissan dealer would do, as this is a crazy thing to roll into a shop.

SWG already had a good experience with Wilmington’s Capital Nissan so I called them to see if they were game. To my surprise, they were anxious to see what the van was like and asked us to ship it over. I even explained that we were not likely to do any work there, which didn’t phase them at all.

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The Big Dropoff

Nissan Nv200 Dealereship

As you’ll remember, SWG diagnosed a huge oil leak that seemed to stem from the front crankshaft pulley seal, although it was difficult to be sure what was actually happening without repeatedly refilling her with oil. A dealership, with a lift, should be able to remove the crankshaft pulley easily and diagnose the issue.

So off the Nissan went on the back of a tow truck to Capital Nissan. I called Ken, our friendly Service Advisor, and walked through the gameplan. The most basic thing we needed to do was to determine what’s going on with the oil leak, as, until that’s repaired, we can’t move forward. It was leaking that much. We’d also driven the cab… not at all, so determining that the Nissan’s transmission was in full working order would be helpful. There were a couple of open recalls as well so, sure, get those done.

In order to baseline our cab as be we could, I also asked for a full rundown of everything that they’d have to do in order to bring the cab back to life mechanically, along with the associated cost. For all that, we’d pay the minimum diagnostic check fee of $324.99.

Ken’s first concern upon getting the cab was getting it into the shop. Did we want to risk running it a bit? I said I’d rather not, being unaware of how much oil was still in the thing. Ken decided it wasn’t too heavy and so getting it wheeled into a service bay was probably the best course of action.

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The Dealership Cracks The Case

Crank Case Cover

Before even removing the crank case bolt or replacing the seal, by getting the NV200 on a lift, the techs at Capital Nissan were able to diagnose what they saw as the main cause of an oil leak. It seems that 375,000 miles of hard New York City life resulted in the big crack in the timing cover you see above. The timing cover, by the way, is what you pour the oil directly into on this engine, so it’s no wonder it flowed out onto the ground so quickly.

A Nissan dealer, of course, will only repair things by-the-book, and right off the bat the estimate for parts and labor to replace the whole case would be $2,192.14. Ouch. SWG was relieved to discover that even if he’d removed the bolt and swapped the seal it would still be Exxon Valdez when he restarted the cab. I was a little less comforted by the price.

It gets worse. The rack-and-pinion steering had cracked and separated from the subfame.

Rack And Pinion

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Replacing the steering system would be another $2,329.10 if done the official way. We’re already looking at about $4,500, or approximately six times the cost of the cab (or about twice what it cost to buy it and ship it around the East Coast).

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It doesn’t end there. Ken and his colleague Cheryl explained the following also needed to be addressed:

  • The driver front strut is bent and the front wheel is cambered into the fender.
  • The tires are shot.
  • The oil pan and CVT pan are both dented.
  • Both lower control arms are shot.

More Damage

  • The subframe radiator support is broken
  • The front tie-rods are bent
  • Both front window regulators are inoperable
  • The HVAC vents on the front instrument panel are inoperable
  • It has no cats!

And that’s just the stuff that was diagnosed right away. A full estimate for all the work was $14,406.62, if they were to do it, which meant replacing anything broken with genuine Nissan parts.

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Gulp.

It’s Always Darkest Before The Dawn

Seconds Before Disaster

I’m not a wrench, so I had to defer to Jason and David as to the next steps. I communicated to Ken that I was suddenly more concerned than I was before about the drivability of the van and admitted that I was worried we might need to scrap the project.

Ken, to his eternal credit, didn’t want that to happen. “Nooooooooo! It was gonna be so cool!” he argued.

I shared the report with David and Jason, wondering what they’d think. Neither of them seemed that bothered. It’s an NYC Taxi that’s been driven the equivalent of 15 trips around the world almost solely within Manhattan and Brooklyn. Of course it has issues! The folks at Capital Nissan weren’t giving up either. They performed the first recall job (the second one would have to wait until we replaced the exhaust) and even had a tech check out the CVT. Certainly, if the engine works and the transmission works, everything else is fixable.

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For the first time in this project, we had a bit of luck. The transmission seemed to be in working order, though Ken admitted they didn’t get it up to highway speeds. Perhaps to encourage us further, they cut us a break on the diagnostic fee, charging us a minimal amount for the labor to check everything out. So, yeah, if you’re in North Carolina and want a Nissan, go check out Capital Nissan and tell them we sent you. Good folks.

After paying for the car, the next step was to have it shipped to Chapel Hill, where David would meet it with a bag of tools, a box of parts, and a song in his heart. Nothing could go wrong from here on out.

Well, that’s wrong. One more big thing could go wrong. And did.

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Captain Avatar
Captain Avatar
4 hours ago

I am in Wake County, and while I am no wrench, I would love to swing by and see progress on this vehicle.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
8 hours ago

Meh. Shake it out…you’re ready to suffer and I’m ready to hope.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
11 hours ago

When vehicles have this type of high mileage, I like to remind people that the moon is 238,900 miles from where you are. So any vehicle that goes this distance is what I consider to not be “High mileage”, but rather a “moonshot” vehicle.

I’ve owned 2 vehicles that are moonshots, and at mileage that high… you start to get a bit more emotionally attached to them. Even if the vehicle isn’t really special in any other way, they feel a bit like an underdog story that we all love to hear.

So…cheers to the moonshot cars, this one is 136,500 past the moon. And even 136,500 is farther than a lot of cars travel in a lifetime.

MikeInTheWoods
MikeInTheWoods
9 hours ago

Having owned several moonshot vehicles, I’d say it depends on many factors to get to that destination. Care and repairs, luck of not getting hit or badly crashed and finally, the make and model matter. Sometimes even the year matters. I’m that guy banging the drum about the old 1st generation Tacoma that had 290,000 miles and still had perfect compression across all 4 cylinders while not burining or leaking any fluids. Of course the frame rusted out though. By comparison, the Subarus I have had in the 230,000 range were rattly deathtraps with blown out suspension, usually on their second motor and had various other ailments.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
8 hours ago
Reply to  MikeInTheWoods

Agreed!

One thing that I really wanna know, does this NYC taxi still have the original CVT installed? I’d guess not, but with proper fluid changes, the Nissan CVTs (at least later ones) can go further than the internet would have you believe.

Spectre6000
Spectre6000
13 hours ago

I recently got a quote from a shop for my low mile 2011 E550 under warranty: $17K to fix what ailed it (only major symptom being a suspension clunk). More than I paid for the car. The warranty company tapped out on me!

Last edited 13 hours ago by Spectre6000
ImissmyoldScout
ImissmyoldScout
15 hours ago

Can’t wait to hear what Murphy’s Law is throwing your way in the next installment!

Adam Al-Asmar
Adam Al-Asmar
16 hours ago

I am in Raleigh and would love to be able to help David and Jason when this car finally makes it to Chapel Hill

BenCars
BenCars
16 hours ago

How old is this van? I know it’s a taxi that had gone through a hard life, but it probably can’t be much older than 10 years old, and to sustain that amount of damage in such a short time is staggering even for a service vehicle.

Anoos
Anoos
17 hours ago

Unless you have some specific plans for this thing, send it to the shredder.

It’s essentially a shell. If your plans are to install a V8 in the middle and build a wheel-standing drag taxi then you may as well continue.

For any other purpose that will re-use any of the mechanical parts of this taxi, this is a lost cause. For the price of a replacement used engine/transmission, you could have bought a running / driving example of this van.

Dave Edgar
Dave Edgar
15 hours ago
Reply to  Anoos

You’re not from around here, are you? This sort of thing is a large part of the heart and soul of this site.

Anoos
Anoos
14 hours ago
Reply to  Dave Edgar

I’m a masochist. I come here for the frustration.

I read these projects shouting at the monitor like I do when a scream queen runs deeper into the house.

LostinTransit
LostinTransit
17 hours ago

Erm.. does this mean you won’t be doing the cross country track tour with us? Anyway here’s what you need to do, sell the van for scrap and take the 14,000 you would have spent on repairs and buy a slight used 2018 Transit Connect. Then let us know when you’re ready to hit the road. Here’s a follow up of what we’ve installed (with Limited Pics) on the van. https://forum.tracktuned.com/forum/main-forum/events/1421-2020-transit-connect-with-a-track-tuned-suspension

Last edited 17 hours ago by LostinTransit
Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
17 hours ago

Did they ramp it over a construction site? What happened to tear up the undercarriage parts like that?

Last edited 17 hours ago by Balloondoggle
Dumb Shadetree
Dumb Shadetree
16 hours ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

The pans were bent by someone at the scrap yard lifting the van with a forklift. SWG’s article indicated that was recent damage.

Suspension and steering parts could have been damaged in the yard as well, but as a midwesterner I can assure you that damage can easily be caused by hitting potholes and/or curbs. I’ve had a car come back from an alignment with “we did the best we can, but the passenger control arm is slightly bent so we couldn’t get it perfect”.

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
16 hours ago
Reply to  Dumb Shadetree

Oh yeah, I know potholes. All too well.

Seems pretty irresponsible of the yard operators – I hate to think they are damaging the stock pre-purchase.

Anoos
Anoos
14 hours ago
Reply to  Dumb Shadetree

If the fresh alloy that I saw in one of the photos was the broken mounting tab for the steering rack, it’s likely that very fresh damage was also done at the yard.

They probably have a good idea what’s going to sell as scrap metal, and it would have been obvious that a high-mile NY taxi with no cats was headed straight to the scrap pile.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
18 hours ago

Would it make sense to just pop a different engine in it? Also not to be that guy but (I will), it’s faze, not phase. I make that same mistake as well.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
18 hours ago

Would it make sense to just pop a different engine in it? Also not to be that guy but (I will), it’s faze, not phase. I make that same mistake as well.

Felonious Thunk
Felonious Thunk
19 hours ago

Welcome to Copart! Although the list is long, DIY or garage prices will be a lot less.
Of course, most rational people would not buy something like this, but it will be great reading and listening to David’s laments is always okay for making the rest of us feel better about things.

Jatco Xtronic CVT
Jatco Xtronic CVT
23 hours ago

“Nissan’s notoriously garbage CVT”? Is this what you think of me?

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
17 hours ago

Shhhh, don’t listen to him. I love you!

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 day ago

“It has no cats!”

No dice…the “Cat Jeep” is better
I’d take a “Dog Jeep” too!

Clive Wilson
Clive Wilson
1 day ago

Stupid project confirmed to be stupid. More news at eleven.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 day ago
Reply to  Clive Wilson

Harsh but… sorta true lol

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
15 hours ago
Reply to  Clive Wilson

Stupid project is better than no project.

Jb996
Jb996
6 hours ago

It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better (care) that (the car goes to), than (it has) ever known.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

What your problem really is. No pine tree air freshener.

PlatinumZJ
PlatinumZJ
12 hours ago

Someone removed all the Li’l Trees prior to sale, and it turns out they were holding crucial bits of the vehicle together.

Jb996
Jb996
6 hours ago

Thar’s yur problem!

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
1 day ago

You may not realize this, but most of the undercarriage damage and the leak was most likely caused by copart. They move the cars around with a forklift. Getting cars with dented oil pans , cracked blocks, cracked trans cases, bent control arms, bent core supports and caved in floors is very, very common from copart. The car probably wasn’t too bad and probably didn’t leak when it was left at the auction. I always ask for no forks when picking up, but they rarely listen.

Last edited 1 day ago by Curtis Loew
Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

Good insight. Explains a lot.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 day ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

Yeah, I’m not big on (busy) forks either…

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
1 day ago

Make a new midengine thing w a yamaha/Volvo v8.

Weston
Weston
1 day ago

I visit a customer with a large shredder. A 5000HP motor that spins a hammer mill weighing about 110,000 lbs that will obliterate anything fed into it. This little NV200 would go in one end and come out the other in about five seconds looking like exploded confetti. Engine, transmission, wheels, tires, axles – everything. No prep necessary, just set it on the belt.
Would you like me to hook you up?

Uninformed Fucknugget
Uninformed Fucknugget
1 day ago
Reply to  Weston

This sounds freakin awesome! What would I search to find videos of something like this?

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 day ago

SSI in Wilsonville Oregon has videos https://www.ssiworld.com/en

BenCars
BenCars
16 hours ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

They have a video called Shredding Relaxation! 10 whole minutes of just shredding!

V10omous
V10omous
1 day ago
Reply to  Weston

What is the actual intended use of this machine?

Weston
Weston
1 day ago
Reply to  V10omous

Recycling of cars and consumer appliances – things made of light weight metal. Water heaters, washers and dryers and refrigerators, etc. And cars, lots of cars. Feed in a car, turn it into little tiny pieces, sort them and sell them to various recyclers. You have to sort out all the non-ferrous materials. 95% of non-stainless steel is made from recycled material and most of that metal comes from old cars.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago
Reply to  Weston

Yeah I live near a rail line that feeds Nucor and Steel Dynamics plants. One car after another full of steel scrap going in and one car after another of coiled sheet and stacks of bars going out.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
1 day ago
Reply to  Weston

Welp, now my algo is fucked, lol. Cool stuff!

It’s like watching an anaconda eat a deer.

Ben
Ben
10 hours ago
Reply to  Weston

Even if they won’t give you the NV200, they need to do a story about this.

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