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What It Could Have Looked Like If Chevrolet Had Spun Off ‘Corvette’ As Its Own Brand And Sold A C4 Corvette SUV

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I’m obviously getting old. Recently I heard that a spouse of a client is a police detective. I immediately pictured a guy with a mustache, the mismatched shirt under loosed tie, and a worn leather pistol holder strapped over his shoulder, leaning against a beat-to-shit grey/brown “unmarked” 1986 Dodge Diplomat on steelies with dog dish hubcaps. I’m told that this is not what he looks like. At all.

It gets worse. When my thirteen-year-old mentions “settling differences” at school, naturally I imagine these kids in FILA sweats putting a ripped-open cardboard box on the sidewalk, popping a cassette of Herbie Hancock’s Rockit into the boom box and having a no-holds-barred breaking throw down. Actually, this never happened to me, but I like to think it did.

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It’s tough being stuck in the past. Kids will read of a new Ferrari SUV or a Maserati crossover and not blink an eye; it’s just normal to them. On the other hand, despite the first Porsche Cayenne debuting two decades ago part of me still cringes when I hear about yet another exotic car maker premiering a new all-wheel drive sport utility.

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source: Lamborghini, Porsche

We’re now told that Chevrolet is looking to turn the Corvette into a brand, a different nameplate complete with bodystyles like a sedan and, yes, even a dreaded sport utility. Can they really do that to a red, white, and blue treasure like this? This seems totally unnatural; like putting John Wayne in a needlepoint class. Still, if this sort of move had happened three decades ago when I was a young, impressionable youth, would I be more open to the idea?

I’ve already jokingly looked at what a Corvette sedan, wagon, and even pickup might have been like had GM chosen to create a new brand back in 1978:

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We’ve gone this far, so why not go ahead and explore what a ‘Vette overlander could have looked like a decade or so later in 1990?

With Cocaine There Had To Be Hyper SUVs

Actually, it would be wrong to say that, as a GenXer, I had never heard of a high-performance sport utility back in the eighties. There were a couple of great examples that were not exactly travesties during that decade, the most notable being the bonkers Lamborghini LM002. To my thirteen-year-old today, a “Lamborghini SUV” is something that shares a platform with a VW Touareg or a Cayenne. The LM002 was anything but that.

Initially developed as a concept military vehicle, Lamborghini seemed to refocus the market to those in the oil exploration industry. The first example had a mid-mounted Chrysler engine and later an AMC V8 in what was dubbed the “LM001.” Poor handling characteristics for an off-road vehicle pushed Lamborghini to move the motor to the front. With the powerplant now a Countach V12 and five speed manual, it was rather obvious to Lamborghini that this expensive machine would be best suited not as an industrial machine but instead as personal transportation for well-heeled buyers in the Middle East or even America. What was now dubbed the LM002 debuted in 1986.

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source: Bring A Trailer

Lamborghini kept the tough, boxy, military-machine non-styling, but the four-door cabin featured air conditioning, stereo, and four leather-covered bucket seats. Four more passengers (or armed security personnel) could sit in the short pickup bed.

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source: Bring A Trailer

Lamborghini claimed it had orders for over 800 of them, but the complex assembly process and poor profit margin caused the brand to cease production in 1991 after only 301 examples were built.

If you think the LM002 was a bit off the rails, you ain’t seen nothing yet compared to a creation by a large Canadian car parts manufacturer from 1989 called the Magna-Vehmo Torrero. Rather than go all Rambo-style with their hyper-off-roader, the Torrero blended futuristic supercar with overlanding capabilities in a never-before seen package.

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source: Magna International

Powered by a 532 horsepower 8.1 liter V8, the Torrero could go from 0 to 60 in around seven seconds, despite the 4800 pound weight. Inside, the luxury interior featured high-tech goodies for the time like an early navigation system, a color TV and a fax machine.

The general stance and proportions are really rather pleasing, but the detailing? Well, if you want dramatic you sure as hell got it, yet for many it’s what we might call A Bit Much. What looks like a blown-up nose from a Dodge Viper complete with snake-like fangs caps off the front. The deeply tinted greenhouse appears to melt down onto the bodywork below with black painted sections that accentuate the giant fenders (maybe too much so).

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A deep cut in the beltline behind the “B” pillar continues around the back of the car; it looks good in side view but from the rear it kind of makes the upper section of car appear to be an ill-fitting pickup truck cargo cap. Overall, though, it’s a very impressive piece that look like a Big 3 creation and not something from an Ontaria-based outside supplier (though Magna is, in fact, the largest manufacturer of auto components in all of North American).

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source: Magna International

As unfathomable as it seemed at the time, the Magna unwittingly created the template for the 500 horsepower, two-and-a-half-ton road-focused sport utility. Nobody other than Isuzu seems to have taken them up on the styling (the infamous VehiCross) but basic specs are echoed in virtually every super-powered exotic SUV today.

So hyper-SUVs are something that really did exist before 1990. Still, Lamborghini made nothing but outrageous machines, so the LM002 wasn’t that big a surprise; there’s no preconceived notions of what a supplier like Magna could have made (though I suppose Magna Steyr has built G-Wagons and other off-roaders — still, Magna isn’t pigeonholed, as it builds all sorts of cars). Wouldn’t it be heresy to apply a nameplate like Corvette- an American tradition as stalwart as baseball, hotdogs and apple pie- to something so different? Yes, it would, especially in the pre-Ferrari Purosangue world of thirty-five years ago.

It’s a terrible idea, and of course we’re doing it anyway.

Put A Little K5 In A C4?

If it’s 1990, the concurrent Corvette was the C4:

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The later C4 was much improved over the earlier models with their “Cease Fire” injection, the dopey “4+3” manual transmission, and zer0-travel Z51 suspension. By 1990 the suspension was far better tuned, and the one-piece hood covered a multi-port injected V8 packing 250 horsepower hooked up to a six-speed stick (or 375HP in the vaunted ZR-1 model). The backbone-style chassis of this generation of ‘Vette might actually work as a basis for the design of an off-roader, albeit with driven front wheels as an option as well:

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source: Facebook (chassis for sale)

Really? Sure. In fact, a company called Exomotiv makes what looks like a fun off road sports car kit that uses the very similar looking chassis components from a Mazda Miata [Ed Note: This type of car that basically involves you taking suspesion and powertrain parts of your car and bolting them to a new tube-frame chassis is known as an “Exocet.” -DT]. 

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source: Exomotiv

This type of approach could work for mechanicals, but what about the exterior design?

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After thirty five years, that Magna Torrero doesn’t seem as mind bending as it did back then. In many ways, it was truly pioneering a class of sports off roader. It might be a great inspiration for our 1990 Corvette crossover, which we’ll give the codename VetteTrek. Naturally, I’d want to tone the insane Torrero’s looks down a bit, and the then-current C4 ‘Vette could have offered the brand language to do it.

It might have been seven years old at the time, but the C4 was still a very clean and contemporary design. Oddly enough, this design is dubbed today as the “ugliest Corvette” by some armchair critics that don’t seem to know what they’re talking about on forums and blogs such as the excerpt below:

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If you’re silly enough to agree with this dreck, I urge you to read Adrian’s recent piece on why this opinion has zero basis in fact (and I don’t remember Car and Driver ever saying those things at the time). I can’t understate the impact that this groundbreaking car had on a pre-driving-age person like me when I saw it doing laser slalom during a Hardcastle & McCormick commercial break. Watch this cheesefest and tell me you don’t want one right now:

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Seemingly no bumpers? No hood or trunk shut lines? Salad shooter wheels? Applying such clean detailing to the Torrero could have given us a forward-thinking but still approachable product:

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Notice that the overall shape is a bit more organic than the C4, more in tune with the sensibilities of the early nineties but still with enough tension to avoid the “sogginess” that some of us have rightfully complained about in the later C5 ‘Vette. All the C4 Corvette cues are there: the nose, the rub strip surrounding the car to hide the seams, and even a tinted glass targa top. In back, the four-shot taillights are sunken into the tailgate (with some tricky shit to get the shut lines to work).

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Below, the rear bumper seems to mirror the front of the car, with the license plate flanked by backup lights and red bulbs that act as supplemental taillights if the tailgate is open.

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The Future Was Now

The C4[‘s initial dashboard was ultra-blocky and resembled the set of Alien or other sci-fi flick, complete with digital mayhem (and the typical-for-the-time box for a passenger airbag that never came):

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source: Streetside Classics via ClassicCars.com
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source: GM

The dash was totally redone on the C4 for the 1990 model year, with a more rounded shape replacing the angular original:

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source: Classic Cars (car for sale)

This new design language is echoed in the VetteTrek dashboard, but the arc-shaped gauge pod is now a tilt-adjustable separate pod as on a Porsche 928. The arc-top is echoed in the pod atop the center control stack. In front of this smaller digital display is what looks to be a VetteTrek “voodoo doll”; a small 1:50 or so scale shape of the car.

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Lift up on the shape and the VetteTrek’s air shocks lift the super-ute, while pressing on roof of the little car makes the real car drop. In front of the scale car, a fluorescent display can at act as an inclinometer during off-road use or as a cornering G-meter on the road. Want to see the inclinometer for front/back angle or acceleration/deceleration Gs? Turn the VetteTrek voodoo doll ninety degrees.

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I insist on the VetteTrek being a two door, and somehow I feel that it has to be a two-seater as well, but the market will tell me otherwise. My compromise relies on an idea I used from my Scout redesign a few years back where storage bins behind the front seats can either be lockable bins for cargo or optionally create “+2” seats when raised. The seat backs telescope up, and there’s even headrests in the side pockets that you can add, which then creates armrests for the back seat passengers.

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There’s a lot of space back there between the front seats and the tailgate so as a practical proposition the VetteTrek will have the same values that for better or worse are making these sports-car-branded hyper-utes so popular now.

The Temple Of Zora?

If you’re going to make a new upscale brand, you simply have to create the right environment to present it in. Toyota knew that they could never sell a $40,000 LS400 in the same showroom as a new $8,000 Tercel; the marble-floored Lexus showrooms made the brand a legitimate rival to the high-end German cars. In the same way, we could never expect a whole range of Corvette models (with Cadillac-level prices) to coexist with Geo Metros.

Still, Chevrolet dealers likely won’t want to buy acres of additional real estate to sell ‘Vettes they’ve already been selling no matter what GM tells them what to do, so the best solution might be to develop a small footprint Corvette-only showroom that could be built in reclaimed parking lot space at the Chevy dealer. I’m sure you’ve had enough of this post (as have I), but if I don’t design the 1990 Corvette Brand Showroom someone else will and screw it up more than I.

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As an inspiration, I looked at the Corvette Nation Museum that opened in 1993, particular the “Skydome” display area (which famously suffered from a sinkhole collapse in 2014 that swallowed cars like the bashed-up 1962 in the pic below). It even has a big red spire in the center that we’re told resembles a speedometer from above (but more likely a sundial).

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National Corvette Museum (9701598737)
source: National Corvette Museum

 

A structure for the Corvette brand showroom with exposed steel beams forms a structure similar to the way the Skydome is built, but with more glass that allows easy viewing of the cars from outside. The C4’s aluminum frame sets a minimalist design goal for the overall form. Dealership 8 23 1

The showroom could hold four cars; I’m thinking two “normal” ‘Vettes in the center (say, a convertible and ZR1) flanked by a VetteTrek and maybe a sedan (if that’s what is offered). Sales desks, a manager’s office and bathrooms also have space in the Corvette dealership; I didn’t put in a service department since I figured the cars could simply be driven over to be serviced at bays in the existing Chevy dealership (which will be obviously be located just a few hundred feet away at most).

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You could certainly add service bays if you wanted to, and also could install a Land Rover-style test ramp at the back for the VetteTrek. The spire on the Corvette Museum is also used, even illuminated and night and visible from far off like a church spire. Overall, it really does look a bit like a mid-century Lutheran church, but if there’s any American car with a religious following befitting a house of worship it has to be the Corvette, right?

There’s Even Lotus Crossovers Now, So…

To me, the 1990 VetteTrek is just more proof that some nameplates on SUVs still feel wrong. The appeal of this type of machine is undeniable though, proven by the fact that one of these sports-car-branded utes sadly sits in my garage right now (a Costco greenhouse came home in it a few weeks back, though I would argue that it could have strapped onto the roof of a 911 with lots of bungees).

Regardless of my old school stuck-in-the-mud beliefs, and how weird the finished result looks, I don’t doubt that a 1990 VetteTrek would have sold, and in some ways it’s almost impossible to believe that today General Motors is the virtually the last of the sports cars that still hasn’t gone the crossover route yet. I applaud them for holding out and understand that time and trends move on. We all need to embrace change.

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At least my kid agrees that breaking is not supposed to be an Olympic sport organized by those who’ve probably never, even ridden the Six to the Bronx. There’s hope for him.

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Kleinlowe
Kleinlowe
21 days ago

I was hoping for a Pontiac Trans Sport with Corvette badge engineering, and now I am sad.

CRM114
CRM114
21 days ago

The C5 is the ugliest Corvette.

Vee
Vee
19 days ago
Reply to  CRM114

C7 and C8. I refuse to back down. The C5’s just an alteration of the C4, albeit poorly done.

Arguably the final fiberglass bodykit C3 from 1978 to 1981 as well.

Funkmobile
Funkmobile
21 days ago

A Vette SUV was released. It’s more commonly known as the Pontiac Aztek.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
21 days ago

This is an interesting thought process. About two years ago a K5 Blazer with the body of an ’86 Corvette mounted to it came up for sale on my local Craigslist. The seller actually tried the same tactic, selling the idea that GM should have sold an SUV version of the Vette, and if they had, it would look like what he was selling (and justify the insane $25k he was asking for it). I think what Bishop made looks far more cohesive than the mess on Craigslist, but I’m not sure I’m sold on the idea.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
21 days ago

This is GM we’re talking about. My expectation would be a refreshed Blazer and a “real people” commercial saying things like “wow that looks sweet, watch out Porsh, Corvette is coming for you!”

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
21 days ago

I can’t believe you have done this

Scone Muncher
Scone Muncher
21 days ago

Overall, though, it’s a very impressive piece that look like a Big 3 creation and not something from an Ontaria-based outside supplier

“Ontaria”?

I think you mean Ontario, eh.

Maymar
Maymar
21 days ago
Reply to  Scone Muncher

If you’re of a certain age (or in my case I guess, child of people of a certain age), Ontari-ari-ario.

Scone Muncher
Scone Muncher
21 days ago
Reply to  Maymar

A place to stand
A place to grow
Québec is better than Ontario ????

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
21 days ago

I want to punch you so hard.

Logan King
Logan King
21 days ago

This looks like the SUV from Tango and Cash.

AssMatt
AssMatt
21 days ago

God, that commercial is terrible. I pity the singers who had to “perform” that silliness.

Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
21 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

“Never be-fore”

The Bishop
The Bishop
21 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

Look at the drummer in the ad. Looks like a Temu Peter Criss.

Mr E
Mr E
20 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

My first impression was John Candy as Barf, interestingly.

The violin player (included for…reasons?) brought to mind the turtleneck wearing dude in that silly ‘mind blown’ gif.

Vee
Vee
19 days ago
Reply to  Mr E

Eric Wareheim. The specific clip is taken from Tim And Eric Awesome Show Great Job. Yes, that is the actual name.

Loren
Loren
21 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

Defiant performance… I’d prefer performance that does what I want it to.

Maryland J
Maryland J
21 days ago

Pontiac. GM had an entire sports oriented sub brand, which GM in fighting nerfed to irrelevance.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
21 days ago

All that time and engineering that went into those wide, directional wheels for them to end up on a slammed 2006 VW Jetta with absurdly stretched tires

McMike
McMike
21 days ago

I’ll have you know, Mr Grenade, that those wheels don’t just look good on MK4 Jettas, they look good on everything.

https://x.com/ItsMcMikeTime/status/1687556523617026048

Data
Data
21 days ago

The heartbeat of America, yesterday’s Chevrolet.

Icouldntfindaclevername
Icouldntfindaclevername
21 days ago

Sometimes you just gotta say, NO

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
21 days ago

I said years ago that GM should have spun Corvette off as it’s own brand – because Corvette is too good to be stuck in Chevrolet showrooms.

But not like this. More like Porsche.

Remember the Saturn Sky/Pontiac Solstice? That would have made a perfect small Corvette – both as roadster and fastback coupe, but also as a shooting brake, a-la-Clown Shoe Z3. Call it the coupe/roadster the Blue Flame – and the shooting brake the Nomad.

Remember the Aurora? A RWD version would have made an excellent Corvette sedan, a-la Panamera.

And I’d have kept a RWD Corvette coupe/roadster – because like the 911, that’s the classic version. That should have been called the Stingray, and the mid-engine car should have been called the Zora.

Tho knowing GM – they’d have done stupid stuff like foisting off a Trailblazer derivative as a Corvette SUV like they did with Saab.

Mike TowpathTraveler
Mike TowpathTraveler
21 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

GM did consider doing cars beyond just the Solstice and Sky. Google up “Kappa Chevy Nomad Concept” and “Kappa StingRay”. I thought the Nomad Concept, with it’s 56-57 Corvette front grill, to be especially cool.

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago

“There’s Even Lotus Crossovers Now”I saw this, looked it up, and I thought to myself “Maybe it’s actually lightweight for a crossover.” then I looked up the weight… 5489lbs That crossover ain’t a frickin lotus no matter what lotus says.

LINO

Lotus, In, Name, Only

Last edited 21 days ago by Musicman27
Chronometric
Chronometric
21 days ago

If they use the same colors as the Corvette Museum, the showrooms could double as McDonalds.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
21 days ago
Reply to  Chronometric

Ketchup and Mustard

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
21 days ago

Technically, Corvette was it’s own separate brand in Europe between 2005-2010, to separate it from all the ex-Daewoos being sold there as Chevrolets

Clupea Hangoverus
Clupea Hangoverus
20 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Haven’t thought of that: they (or at least some one high enough) knew the Daewoos would be brand-poison but they did it anyway. Or was it ”we are reintroducing the Chevrolet in Europe as a value brand (Skoda for Opel), which is easy, as we think people don’t know what a Chevy is. But Skoda does not have a premium sports car, so Corvette will be confusing. So it is not a Chevrolet anymore. But we will sell it in the same dealerships, because no-one is going agree to build separate Caddy-Corvette dealerships (to sell three cars a year). Except maybe the Swiss. Yes. It will be fine.”

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
21 days ago

“We’re now told that Chevrolet is looking to turn the Corvette into a brand, a different nameplate complete with bodystyles like a sedan and, yes, even a dreaded sport utility. Can they really do that to a red, white, and blue treasure like this?”

If Ford can do it with the Mustang, why not GM with the Corvette?

Besides its not like there’s no precedent. Remember the 80’s when Chevette owners claimed to have a “Vette”? I do.

Last edited 21 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Alexk98
Alexk98
21 days ago

The VetteTrek Idea is incredible, if we gave it a convertible roof option could we call it the VetteTrek CrossCabriolet? Pretty Please?

Church
Church
21 days ago

Kill it with fire!

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
21 days ago
Reply to  Church

beat me to this comment.

V10omous
V10omous
21 days ago

In the same way, we could never expect a whole range of Corvette models (with Cadillac-level prices) to coexist with Geo Metros.

This is funny, because you can already buy a $180,000 Z06 next to a $20,000 Trax, and the $200,000+ ZR1 is coming.

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Gotta admit, The new ZR-1 is pretty cool. It looks epic and it’s faster than a fat guy during a 95%-off McDonald’s sale.

Last edited 21 days ago by Musicman27
T-wrecks
T-wrecks
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

As a fat guy, I gotta say. That’s pretty damn fast!

Maymar
Maymar
21 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

From my time working at a GM dealer, that’s arguably a feature and not a bug. Part of it might’ve been a demographic thing, but our Corvette owners skewed blue collar guys who’d done well for themselves, and didn’t seem to care that their toy and their work truck came from the same place.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
21 days ago
Reply to  Maymar

Of course, some dealers still found ways to separate it out (eg, Ciocca Corvette, formerly Kerbeck Corvette)

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago

I just learned of the Isuzu Vehicross from this article. I looked it up, and now I want one.

Should I be worried?

That beautiful monstrosity deserves its own article.

Last edited 21 days ago by Musicman27
Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

No need to be worried, you are now a proper Autopian.

I would be worried for you if you didn’t like the Vehicross.

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago

Why was that link blocked for “Other adult content”?

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

Yah know what, Don’t answer that.

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

I don’t know, but it was a gif from the movie Freaks where they chant “one of us”

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

There used to be a commenter here who owned a couple of them if you can believe it. Always wished he’d talked more about that.

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
21 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

I have always wanted a Vehicross since I had found about them also. I was as looking for some that were sale before I had gotten my FJ as I would have gotten it to wheel in but there were just not many for sale around.

Vee
Vee
19 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

I’ve wanted one ever since they first showed up back in 1999. A neighbour had a bright yellow one. It looked like the future…

Musicman27
Musicman27
21 days ago

The Vett-A-Mino is just horrifying, But the Vehma-Torrero was pretty cool.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
21 days ago

The title photo looks like a Geo Storm Hatchback, and I like it.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
21 days ago

+1 came here for this

The Bishop
The Bishop
21 days ago

I knew it looked like something familiar when it was done. I do like those things- rare body style if I recall?

The Bishop
The Bishop
21 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Wait- there was an Isuzu Impulse wagon version??

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
20 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

News to me! The 1990s were weird!

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