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What It Was Like Driving A $20,000 Crossover From A Romanian Car Brand

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Great News! Actually, let’s not apply the defibrillation paddles to that particular dead horse. The jokes on them. Since Dacia’s relaunch in Europe in 2004, they’ve sold a staggering eight million cars. The Sandero is now the second best selling car across the continent behind the Tesla Model Y. Since landing in the UK market in 2013, they’ve flogged a quarter of a million vehicles to people with a close relationship to a ten-pound note. Somehow when Ford UK wasn’t looking, Dacia reached over and stole their lunch.

Dacia started out in their native Romania building Renaults under license in the sixties, spinning numerous models out of the old Renault 12 until well into the nineties. They spent a few years building their own cars that looked like the sort of thing you’d steal in Grand Theft Auto only if you were desperate, and were then acquired by Renault in 1999. Despite initially concentrating on the eastern Europe and Russia, they were practicing for an assault on more competitive western European markets.

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The first model to roll off a ship onto UK soil was the Duster SUV. With a starting price of just £8995 ($10,905) at the tie in 2010, it was pretty much stark bollock naked in terms of spec: appliance white, unpainted bumpers, steel wheels and not a lot else. Following shortly after came a smaller entry level model,  the Sandero hatch for a startling £5995 ($7289).

Gently termed ‘Access” models because marketing departments have banned the words “base” and “standard,” the super cheap version of the Sandero has now gone due to lack of sales, but the Sandero range still isn’t expensive. In the UK, the Sandero range now starts at £13,795 ($16,796). It’s not quite the UK’s cheapest new car but it’s close: the base Kia Picanto is £130 ($150) less but is a class down in size. If you don’t want to wade into the turd infested toilet bowl of the second hand market, the Sandero is still an extremely affordable brand new car.Dacia10

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The first round of new Dacias were based on tried and tested mechanicals from the old Nissan Renault B platform, which dated back to 2002. Now every model is spun of the up-to-date Common Module Family, an interchangeable kit of parts again shared with Nissan, Renault and Mitsubishi. This commonality across models keeps costs down. Apart from paint colors there are essentially no options to be had – if you want more equipment you have to step up a trim level. As well as making things easier for customers to understand, factory workers are not fart-arsing around fitting mind boggling combinations of extras. Line complexity and cycle time is reduced, meaning cars can be built quicker, simpler and cheaper.

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The Sandero Stepway is the ruggedized version of the standard hatch with the requisite black plastic cladding and slightly raised ride height, and it accounts for over 60% of all Sanderos sold in the UK. The mid-level Stepway Expression Dacia lent me will lighten your account by £16,945 ($20,544) on the road including £650 ($788) for the NATO adjacent ‘Dusty Khaki’ paint. The boggo Stepway Essential requires you live without a touchscreen, has keep fit rear windows and does away with the interior trim uplift you get in the nicer models. For a grand more (or an extra couple of pounds on the monthly payment), the Expression looks to be a much better deal. It adds keyless entry, height adjustable seats, front fogs, a rear camera with don’t back into your neighbor’s car sensors, modular roof bars (don’t worry Torch, we’ll get to those) [Editor’s Note: Oh boy – JT], an 8” touchscreen with wired Carplay and Android Auto, electric mirrors, a nicer interior and probably a couple of other bits and bobs I can’t be bothered to look up.

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All models come with the same 1.0 liter triple, making a road burning 90 bhp but more usefully, 125lb ft of torque. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but the Stepway is a featherweight 1077kg (2375 lbs). 0-60 is quoted as about 12 seconds, which on paper sounds gutless but in reality even merging onto the motorway the motor there’s plenty in it. A faint tappety rattle on part throttle happens at about two and half thousand rpm, then it gets into the meat of the boost until about five thousand. You do hear the engine as it doesn’t have a plastic cover  – so you can use your ears as a rev counter. It’s not a fast car but drive on the torque not the revs – and it always responds to your right foot and feels lively, and then you look at the speedo and see you’ve gained all of five mph. Still there’s six gears to row through and the shift is finger tip easy but a bit long of throw. The clutch pedal is a bit light for my ham-footedness and has a lot of travel; changing through the bottom gears meant a bit of surging until I got used to it. Shift like a normal person rather than a Krusty the Clown-shoed klutz like me and it’s absolutely fine.

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Something that might seem a bit counter-intuitive to the Dacia’s clever money saving is that it has drum brakes on the back. I find it hard to believe these days that they are cheaper than discs, so the logical conclusion is such a light car doesn’t need them. The pedal action is great – there’s no slop or delay and plenty of power to stand the thing on its nose when you’re driving like you’re trying to scrape the paint off the door handles. You might think that the handling in a cheap car goes to shit the minute you start leaning on it, because development miles cost time and money, but the Stepway hangs on well and remains reasonably flat. I wouldn’t say no to some more feel in the steering though. It’s too free and easy in the twirling and you don’t get any messages about what the front tires are up to, but it is accurate and responsive.

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So although the Stepway can misbehave a bit when required, that’s really not where it’s happiest. It’s much more about comfort and the urban assault, and here it excels. The tires are a generous 60 profile  on a 16” steel wheel (yes, those are wheel trims. I didn’t spot them at first either) so you hear bumps but don’t really feel them. It’s not quite the loping French ride you might expect given Dacia’s parent company is Renault, but it’s not far off. Countering the fact the steering is on light side is the hilariously tight turning circle – easily the best I’ve experienced since the Honda e (which is RWD). Shuffling the Stepway around a tight British supermarket car park is a total doddle. Loading up with enough alcohol and cat food for the week is no problem either – the boot (trunk) is a class leading 328 liters (11.5 cu ft). It’s a regular five door hatch, not a stupid crossover coupe so visibility and space for passengers is great – I was a bit short on knee room sitting behind myself, but my desperately-in-need-of-a-trim hair remained unruined. You get slightly jazzier seats in the mid-range and top trim levels and again this is another area you might reasonably expect corners to have been cut to save money but not so. Non-adjustable lumbar support just nuzzles the small of your back nicely and the cushioning was perfect for my bony ass. There’s even a decent bit of side support. Sort of matching the seats there’s a funky soft touch swathe of fabric running between the dash upper and lower, replicated on the door cards, which does a lot of heavy lifting brightening up the interior.

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You used to get rows of switch blanks as standard in a low cost car to remind you what a cheap bastard you were. The Dacia is much better than that because it makes a virtue of its simplicity – HVAC controls are by old fashioned cooker knobs, and there isn’t bags of equipment optional or otherwise so there’s only a couple of other buttons needed. The touchscreen is clear, unflashy and straight forward although wired Carplay was hit and miss; in the interests of science I had the stereo up to 11 on Sunday afternoon and ‘Dying Star’ dropping out constantly got really annoying really fast. No that wasn’t the car rejecting my taste in music before you ask. You have to connect your smart phone as there’s no built in native navigation, but bizarrely there’s a built in phone cradle right next to the touchscreen. At high volume there wasn’t enough thump to rattle the door cards but the sound separation was decent to my cloth ears.

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It used to be Skoda was the clever budget brand but they’ve long since buggered off upmarket with the usual VW Group array of identikit crossovers, and Dacia have gleefully taken their place. The intelligence in the Stepway extends not just the to roof rails, which can be unbolted in seconds and then refitted widthways across the car to make a roof rack. [Editor’s Note: That’s incredibly clever. I love it! How has no one figured this out before? – JT]

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There’s a ‘curry hook’ in the passenger footwell for your Friday night takeout dinner as well. But what’s really smart about the Dacia is the way they’ve kept the purchase price down without making it feel like it’s a hollowed out tin box. When the UK market started to be infested with cheap east European imports like pre-VW Skodas, Yugos and Ladas in the seventies and early eighties they were on any level, cheaply constructed, harshly engineered Soviet shit. Buying one over a second hand Ford Cortina told the world you were a tight arse and didn’t care who knew it. Only the shamelessly stingy bought the cursed things. The Dacia isn’t like that at all.

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The window switches on the doors are not sided, so they can be swapped between LHD and RHD versions. Aside from the faux leather on the steering wheel, there’s only one grain of plastic used on the interior. Ok, it’s not the highest grade but it’s solid and well put together. There’s no rubber inserts in the cup holders or gaiter on the (non-electric) handbrake. The trim doesn’t cover the full width inside the tailgate – it’s as wide as needs to be to cover the latching mechanism, provide two handles for closing and no wider. Panel gaps are a bit inconsistent, but the body panels themselves are simple shapes without unnecessary feature lines and complex curvature, reducing tooling costs. The rear wheel arches are only half lined. It’s built in Romania and Morocco, where labor costs are lower. I could go on. Dacia have made lots of clever small cost reductions like this all over the car. This will all be invisible to normal car buyers – you need to know what you’re looking for.

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In some ways Dacia’s low prices seem almost incidental. You won’t feel like you need a shower after visiting a Dacia dealership. They’re a proper car company that’s part of an established OEM group. This was a bit of a stroke of genius on Renault’s part – if the brand had flopped the wider Renault Group wouldn’t have been tarnished. But they didn’t flop, and judging them as good for a cheap car feels like damning with faint praise. The Skoda Fabia, however long it has left, starts at £19k ($23k). A base VW Polo is – fuck me sideways – nearly £21k ($25.5k). The Vauxhall Corsa kicks off at again £19k. The Ford Fiesta is dead – a killing so outrageous it actually made the national news. Legacy OEMs are bitching and whinging they can’t make money on small cars and threatening to drop them from their ranges – in the process disenfranchising a whole class of buyer, and yet as we have seen with the Picanto and now Dacia, it’s possible to produce a cheaper car if you leverage your global footprint to give you an advantage in how and where you build and sell it.

Is a Corsa or a Fabia a better than a Stepway? In some ways that don’t really matter, maybe. They’re probably a bit more soft touch and refined, but six grands worth? I doubt it. Think of it like this. The Dacia is a very competent, smart little car that just happens to have a great purchase price. The beauty for enthusiasts is buying one as a daily gives you enough wiggle room in the finances to run something else for weekend fun. Everything you need and nothing you don’t. I’m sure I read that somewhere.

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Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
10 months ago

I love roof bars! On a nice evening in good weather, start out with an Campari and soda, maybe a martini with the right company. Turns out that women who have a thing for older men in seersucker suits seem to like roof bars and as it happens I find seersucker suits to be the closest thing to pajamas that you can wear in public places like roof bars.

Who knew that the Romanians put roof bars on their cars? Not me!

Paint-Drinking Thundercock Harvey Park
Paint-Drinking Thundercock Harvey Park
10 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I have several questions

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Shaken just hard enough to get a few ice crystals in it, gin, (Dutch gin , yum!) not super dry with an olive , sort of what people are calling a dirty martini these days.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Noilly Prat ?

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
10 months ago

Had one of these in Iceland. Brown diesel manual. I’d driven a manual maybe four times previously but managed it okay. Patient Icelandic traffic and a solid autostart system no doubt helped.

Frederick Tanujaya
Frederick Tanujaya
10 months ago

Heh, a good android head unit, som more sound deadening, and leather seats and steering wheel would make this quite the bearable daily!

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I personally don’t want leather seats in any car.

When cars were invented, before they made the cabin include the driver, only the driver got leather, since it was weather- and wear-proof, the passengers in the back got wool (or other nice fabric) seat covers.

Frederick Tanujaya
Frederick Tanujaya
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Cleaning mate, cleaning.

Bruno Hache
Bruno Hache
10 months ago

We briefly had Dacia in Canada. This would make a perfect entry level “people’s car”

Lotsofchops
Lotsofchops
10 months ago

yes, those are wheel trims

Oi mate, ’round these parts we say hubcaps thank you very much.

Last edited 10 months ago by Lotsofchops
Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago

Question for kudos:

Can anyone see THE expensive industrial choice in this otherwise inexpensive car ?
Tip: It’s shown in the interior pics.
Ten minutes 🙂

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Blast, no one got it…

  • This car has an old style, asymetrical dashboard !!! Like a good old BMW of yore !!!
  • The dashboard console is oriented towards the driver
  • The dashboard is not symetrical – meaning, you can’t swap it from Left Hand Drive to Right Hand Drive by just swapping the gauge & visor and the passenger airbag left or right.
  • This thing required an actual mold for a RHD dash, a RHD console, and a LHD dash and a LHD console for LHD markets.

I am absolutely, positively stunned that any mainstream manufacturer still goes to such lenghts. The driver -oriented console is a thing of mine that I love. Think older BMW or 4-gen Supra.

The whole symetrical dashboard thing was started precisely by guess who – Renault, Dacia’s owner – 20+ years ago, with the central gauge cluster for good measure. The designers back then had a whole press-conference with fancy bullshit such as their new dashboard was no more “egotistical” and “selfish”, and breathed “conviviality”, by “involving” the passenger.

All nice crap to say “we needed to save another fe dozens of millions on dashboard molds, thank you”.

JunkerDave
JunkerDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Symmetrical dashboards go back a lot further than that. The Saab 93 had one in 1955, and it probably wasn’t the first. Just punch holes in whichever side gets them.

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago
Reply to  JunkerDave

Agreed, but “involved” symmetrical dashboards (ones pretending to have some actual design put in them) came in the late 90’s (with gauge cluster in the middle as the cherry on top) once manufacturers realized it costs money to make a nice looking BMW-style (or mid-90’s Saab 900 turbo for that matter) driver-oriented dashboard, with molded one-piece visors on top of the gauges.

Which is mostly fine, unless it comes with a pitch on how it’s novelty, progress, and actually better.

Dashboards have of course mostly been symmetrical before that, but they didn’t have much going for them neither.

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JunkerDave
JunkerDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Do people care what the dash looks like, as opposed to how well it functions? I guess some people do, seems weird to me. Visors on top of the gauges are good, but they could be part of the gauge cluster itself. I don’t remember the Saab 93’s gauges being hard to read, even without any visor beyond what may have been a small full-dash one that was part of the stamping.

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago
Reply to  JunkerDave

I do. It’s only what I look at the whole day and the first thing I see once I get in the car 🙂

How well it functions is a matter of how well I can read it and use it. If it’s tilted towards me (the driver), it is easier on me. If it doesn’t consist in in screens that are a constant source of distraction and glare at night, it’s easier on me.

Older cars might not have visors over the dash, but neither did they have large glass surfaces successible to glare, or large windshields that were sloping up and whose high point was almost behind (or completely behind) the point where the gauges are.

If you look at that Saab in profile and compare it to any modern car, you’ll see that the point where the gauges are is pretty much in the middle of the windshield. Meaning – if you project a vertical line from the gauges up, it will go through the middle (vertical) of the windshield, not through the roof of the car.

So it’s very unlikely to get any light that would hit the Saab’s gauges directly, while it is common occurence to get light hitting a modern gauge cluster directly (which, even on not that modern vehicles, is covered entierly with transparent plastic which might or might not be antiglare).

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
10 months ago

Stepway to Devon

There’s a Limey who’s sure all that matters is torque,
And he’s driving a Stepway to Devon.
When he gets there he knows, he can drive ‘tween hedgerows,
‘Cause the Dacia is smaller than most things.

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
and he’s driving a Stepway to Devon

There’s a shift on the floor, a six-speed, who needs more?
It’s a shame standard trans have gone pleading.
Under hood have a look, there a three banger zings,
Sometimes all of our joys are this simple.

Ooh, it makes me wonder
Ooh, makes me wonder

There’s a feeling I get, though ICE cars aren’t dead yet,
My spirit cries out for their leaving.
In my fears I have seen droves of soulless EVs,
The choices of those who banned gasoline.

Ooh, it makes me wonder
Ooh, really makes me wonder

And it’s threatened that soon, Elon Musk calls the tune,
Then that piker will lead us to ruin.
And a new day will dawn for those who guessed wrong,
And the roadways will echo with laughter.

Oh-oh-oh-oh-whoa

If there’s no bustle ‘neath your hood now, don’t be alarmed pal,
It’s just the whirring of an EV.
Yes there are two paths you can go by, don’t make a choice now,
There’s still time to change the road you’re on.

And it makes me wonder
Ohh, whoa

You hear a humming, and it won’t go, in case you don’t know,
The piker’s calling you to join him.
Dear Limey can you hear the wind blow? And did you know?
Your Stepway flies on a dwindling wind?
And as we wind on down the road,
Our engines less than those of old.
There drives a Limey we all know,
Who wears tight pants and wants to show,
How pistons still turn gas to go,
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last,
When ICE is gone and gone are all,
To be a rock and not to roll.

And he’s driving a Stepway to Devon.

David Escargot
David Escargot
10 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

That good sir, is gold

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago

No worries! I am sure as soon as the UAW strike is over and you can buy a similar Ford of poorer quality for $40,000 the sales will dissappear for the better choice. I mean does anyone really believe that the unions that destroyed the British car industry is the solution to better cars?

El Jefe de Barbacoa
El Jefe de Barbacoa
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

It’s amazing that there are still people that believe anti-union propaganda like you. Capitalism really did a number on older guys with a poor ability to discern truth from falsity.

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago

Capitalism and unions both work great if kept in check, and both need to have someone breathing down their necks to perform correctly to avoid becoming monsters.

UAW specifically has its share of recent and not so recent bosses that played golf with the ennemy and abused funds – most recently with prison sentences.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago

It isn’t propaganda when you lived it. There were 12 month 12,000 mile warranty days. I bought a union car broke down on the dealer lot and had to sue to cancel the deal. It wasn’t until foreign cars that the union was forced to try to build better. If fake why can’t Ford launch a car without recalls? I owned more than one union built car none lasted 2 years. So quit your fake knowledge they refuse to build quality and want paid more money to screw the business and customers.

FleetwoodBro
FleetwoodBro
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

That’s like blaming a bad movie on the crew. The union workers in an automobile manufacturing plant do what they’re told by management with the parts they’re given by management, using the processes designed and implemented by management. The auto workers at the Toyota Tahara plant in Japan, regarded by many as producing the highest quality automobiles on the planet, are union (JAW, over 750,000 members). So were the workers churning out Plymouth Volares. The difference in the product is management.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago
Reply to  FleetwoodBro

Wrong just in so many ways wrong. If you read the book about Japanese philosophy it is a team concept. Everyone from CEO down works some time other floor. Everyone agrees to work together to make the best product from a toothpick to a car. There is no management VS labor. If you follow US unions it is an us verses them. Now I will say 100% it was owner fault that caused this. But not management. You excuse crappy build by union labor because doing as they are told? Well that is all management is doing, doing what they are told. So okay for labor to use the nazi defense but not mgmt? It is much like the issues in the middle east we see now. One side attacks the other and pleads it is justified. The other side attacks back and pleads justified because attacked. Well for thousands of years now and can’t solve it the mgmt and union are doing the same. FAIN wears an eat the rich t-shirt you think that is in anyone’s best interest or will go away after the deal is done? Never! AT least mgmt wears suits says bland things. IF union wants a seat on the board they must act the part and share risks. Put skin in the game.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

Good Lord….it wasn’t the union that made the cars bad. Piss-poor parts bolted to other piss-poor parts don’t work, whether the were bolted together by union labour, or the supplier’s child labour.

The problem was avarice: when you have a captive market, there is no competition, and no incentive to innovate. So, when foreign cars come it that are, you know, better and cheaper, people buy them, forcing the domestics to do a better job. It happened in the North America too. — automakers had to stop making boxy rear-drive cars with crap V8s because the Japanese were making nicer, more efficient cars that were colose enough in performance for most people. This would have happened union or not.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

I will meet you half way. When I diss Ford it is from the boardroom to the restroom. You eloquently put the arguments about no competition BUT it doesn’t mean you can’t. That is management. However as for poorly built parts put together poorly, Ford and most manufacturers of that day and age controlled the entire process with the built in house by their union employees. It wasn’t until better cars from overseas where quality was a slogan and out sourcing for profits replaced poor company parts.

Paint-Drinking Thundercock Harvey Park
Paint-Drinking Thundercock Harvey Park
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

Sigh

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago

Nitpicking mode on:

I am not Romanian, but I suspect if asked – they’d prefer “Carpathian Bargain” rather than Balkan one, on account that – well, Balkan has a more uncivilized connotation to it, and Romanians have considered themselves the French of the Balkans…errr…Carpathi…errr…the area.
Little slip-ups like this can lead to balkanization 😛
From a formerly Balkan neighbor.

Nitpicking mode off.

As for Dacia, it is poetic justice incarnate.

They used to be the butt of all jokes, and their products were really abyssal. The Renault 12 they were based on was a great car, but they (Dacia) had managed to mess everything up. It’s the only car that I’ve seen bought new that started rusting at 4500 miles, and that had its steering wheel snap in half at 18 months.

Incidentally, it’s also the only car I’ve seen (in 1993) that was able to storm through Romanian potholes at 50mph, that I had to crawl through with my Citroen BX at pedestrian speeds to prevent the nitrogen-filled spheres from bursting (mentioned that trip in another post 🙂 ). Not sure if it was because they (the Dacias) were sturdy, or had nothing much suspension-wise to break, or had very tall and very hard Romanian tires, or drivers who didn’t give a crap, or all of the above.

It is heart-warming to see them do well now, with hard work, determination and the right amount of $$$.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Really 70s British cars were built with rusty metal. And had such bad quality build the Indian Empire owns them.

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ztUlve9jc 🙂

The British deliberately applied themselves to kill their car industry and worked very hard on it, painstakingly chasing and killing the naturally good features in their cars that would still pop here and there.

The communist-era Dacia builders were naturals. Dacias were bad in a natural, painless way. They were bad without breaking a sweat.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

I don’t believe that. So many beautiful cars built like crap. So many employees needing jobs but were stupid enough to argue the right to get drunk at lunch. Now I am sure there were forces wanting to screw the unions but losing an entire industry I need proof. And before you start Lucas isn’t proof because they caused anything run on electricity to fail.

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago
Reply to  Mr Sarcastic

My personal proof: Rover was drowning big time in the early eighties. Honda came, rescued them, tought them how to build reliable cars (well, the british parts still broke but at least the engines, transmissions and electrics were fine), gently pulled them out of the swamp and made them into a desirable brand. In the early nineties Rover were building Civics and Accords with British design – exterior and interior. The Rover 623 was beautiful, as were all the Civic/Concerto derivatives.

Came 1995, and Rover went up for sale. Honda rightfully expected to be able to continue the partnership and worked hard on it. At the 11th hour, Rover was sold to BMW, and Rover’s management made several statements in the sense of “We are finally working with a company worthy of our level“. Like – “we no longer suffer having to work with lesser Japanese companies“.

Five years later Rover was dead, stripped of Range Rover, which was the main reason BMW bought them, and left to rot.

These greedy, ungrateful idiots actually thought that Honda owed them something. There was an article in a Belgian magasine about the MG roadster (the mid-engine one) – half of the main designer’s pitch was that Honda had stolen the design of their taillights to put on the Legend coupe. Honda was there, helping them, even opening them to the US market with the short lived Sterling brand (which the brits managed to crap on completely because everything british on them broke), but still – the sublime Albion was forced into a loveless marriage, poor them 🙂

No company or industry has survived in the long term without showing at least an ounce of humility when it was needed.

The Brits never had it. Their shit always smelled like roses. In the meantime, Japanese cars built in British factories always had their local parts at brit level. All the rubber parts on my Nissan Micra (an otherwise unkillable beast) shrunk. Windows leaked.

Even the US auto industry worked with the Japanese when they had to survive, and didn’t bitch about it.

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SonOfLP500
SonOfLP500
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

All of this, in spades, except you left out the British Government gifting BL to BAe at a totally undervalued price, after which BAe double-crossed Honda and ditched it at a profit the first chance they got. It all looked like a long term payoff for supporting the Conservative Party and had absolutely nothing to do with building competitive cars.

Mr Sarcastic
Mr Sarcastic
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Agreed but the US Unions still had the same attitude that they were better just because Merican.

Drad
Drad
10 months ago

Errr JT my 2016 (and previous 2013) Subaru Outback(s) had this roof rack feature. In fact I leave mine permanently in roof rack mode due to kayaks and roof box – you know typical Subaru things!

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
10 months ago

How on earth can drum brakes still be cheaper to produce in 2023? Like, are they still using up a strategic Romanian stockpile or something?

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
10 months ago

Could be drum brakes are still common with Chinese or Indian manufacturers?

Frederick Tanujaya
Frederick Tanujaya
10 months ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

We here in indonesia still have LOTS of cars with drum brakes, you only get discs on the topper model

Goblin
Goblin
10 months ago

Very easy – go to Rockauto and check the prices for rebuilding a rear drum brake – say, on an older 4Runner or Tacoma.

A set of Bosch brake shoes (both wheels) is $17. A drum (one side) is under $30. The wheel piston – which is the equivalent of a caliper with a disk brake – starts at – drumroll – $4.60 :D. And the most expensive ones listed are still under $30.

Rotors with pads are more expensive, not to mention calipers, if replacement is needed.

That, and add the fact that French manufacturers still slap rear drums (tiny cute ones, not monsters like on a 4Runner) on MANY small cars. And they work extremely well. I used to drive a rental Peugeot 106 with rear drum brakes that would make my 4-wheel disk brakes CRX cry rivers.

Less fun to work on, but that’s another story.

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
10 months ago
Reply to  Goblin

Well, considering it has plenty of French DNA then, I guess that makes sense.

Radu D
Radu D
10 months ago

Think about the manufacturing process for the drum itself. On a drum you only have to machine the interior cylinder, while on a disc you have to machine the two surfaces in a way that makes them ok and parallel.
Also consider that when you put brake disks you have to add the caliper which is more heavy (cost of material) and more expensive considering the parts involved and their finish

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
10 months ago

This has a real Suzuki SX4 vibe to it. Even in the styling. That’s a compliment.

JDE
JDE
10 months ago

Cheers to a manual trans, they even offer a Bi-Fuel with an honest to god 6 speed manual trans. just wish we could get one in America in this spec, they can call it whatever brand they want. Just leave the Nissan spec CVT at the door. I always kind of wanted to see how the INVECS II worked.

JDE
JDE
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I am just going by the build your own website in the UK. The Sandero Stepway Essential, Expressway and Extreme all seem to have a bi-fuel TCe100 Manual option, or the Petrol TCe90 manual option. only the extreme offers a TCe90 Auto(CVT) with a petrol engine.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
10 months ago

Put three red diamonds on the front, a Mirage Cross badge on back. Sit back and enjoy sweet cash. Thank you Mitsubishi, I hope the check is in the mail.

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
10 months ago

“Curry Hook”. I love it. Given the rest of the cost cutting, it would seem this is the model’s one nod to a luxury feature.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
10 months ago

3 cents to add, 30 cents of perceived value.

Usernametaken
Usernametaken
10 months ago

Remember, when reading those prices in ‘Merican, they INCLUDE 20% tax

Last edited 10 months ago by Usernametaken
Glutton for Piëch
Glutton for Piëch
10 months ago

[Editor’s Note: That’s incredibly clever. I love it! How has no one figured this out before? – JT]

The Tacoma has had these as an option for at least 6 years. and they just swing. I’m sure there are others, but they are awesome.

Bearddevil
Bearddevil
10 months ago

The Subaru Outback roof rails do this, also.

Scorp Mcgorp
Scorp Mcgorp
10 months ago

my 2012 Chrysler Town and Country has the same thing, and that’s standard across all the Stellantis vans

https://www.moparpartsgiant.com/resources/encry/diagram/mpg/2021/medium/519cace2065154da4a4fec370ed0b681.png

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
10 months ago

how can drums be less expensive? a drum brake job takes 3x as long I imagine installing them is similar lol

Last edited 10 months ago by Nycbjr
Andy Individual
Andy Individual
10 months ago
Reply to  Nycbjr

There was a time when it was said drums lasted longer between service. Especially in corrosion prone areas. I have no real experience or evidence of this, but I do recall it being considered a good thing for buyers on the cheap to keep their maintenance costs down. Still usually had to service the front disks though.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
10 months ago

didn’t consider maintenance costs, its interesting that a car maker really even cares about anything but their own bottom line. I like it!

Radu D
Radu D
10 months ago

Actually the drums last a lot longer than disks … On a car that i have with 270k km i still have the original drums and shoes … and still pass the brake efficiency tests which are required each year …
Maybe I’ll replace them next year …

PS the car is on the second set of front disks in the last 140K km …

3WiperB
3WiperB
10 months ago
Reply to  Nycbjr

I would guess the implementation of the e-brake is where drums are cheaper. It’s easier to activate drum brakes with an e-brake handle with minimal extra components, but on discs, there’s a lot of extra equipment to make them work that makes it much more complicated.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
10 months ago
Reply to  3WiperB

GM had a good design with the parking brakes of their older RWD cars and trucks.

Inside the disc, there’s a horseshoe-shaped shoe, no springs or anything. It has to be the simplest parking brake ever used with rear disc brakes.

http://dgzmd7u6z2by7.cloudfront.net/partimage/BPS/1ABPS00158/large.JPG

Clark B
Clark B
10 months ago
Reply to  3WiperB

It’s a pretty simple setup on my water-cooled VWs, at least the two I’ve owned without the electronic parking brake. I don’t recall the actual design, but it was basic and didn’t require any extra fiddling when I replaced a rear caliper earlier this year.

While I don’t have any evidence to suggest it, I too have heard that rear drum brakes don’t require as much service. My friend had an 08 Prius, those had rear drums if I remember right. I replaced her front brake pads for the first time in that car’s life around 140k(!) miles, but she never had to do anything with the brake shoes out back. Car had 240k on it when she got rid of it. So I guess there’s some merit to the idea that rear drums last longer between services.

Last edited 10 months ago by Clark B
Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
10 months ago

This is cheap and cheerful done right. I wish Renault/Nissan would replace Mitsubishi in the US market with Dacia. I think their products would resonate with a new generation of buyers desperate for cheap new car options minus all the typical bullshit. Sort of like a modern Saturn.

I would totally buy a Jogger if it were available here.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
10 months ago

I was thinking the same thing – to its potential market, it’d be a new make, without the baggage of Nissan’s sketchy reputation or Mitsubishi’s wait they still make those? uncertainty.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Yeah my response to anyone who says “why would they throw away Mitsubishi’s brand equity” would be “what brand equity?”.

I’d also be curious if it would make sense to tell all the scumbag Mitsubishi dealers out there to go scratch, and bring this with a different sort of dealership approach. Do you really need the cost of a massive dealership building, prime real estate and a bunch of predatory sales and finance people to sell Sanderos? Or do you need a building the size of a small fast food restaurant with a two-lift garage in the back for a service department? If your entire lineup consists of small hatchbacks and crossovers, do you really need a gigantic expanse of asphalt to store inventory you’re never going to have? If someone can find some advantages like that, making it possible to bring over a lineup of sub 20k cars without the baggage of the Chinese? I assume a killing can be made.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
10 months ago

Your Saturn analogy really makes me think – Dacia could utilize the fact that we have, you know, the internet and just operate a tiny showroom off the beaten path, with a couple of each model and maybe a handful on the lot for people who really want to buy now. Otherwise, do your research online, see one in person if you want, and put in your order and in X days, it’s here.

Be a helluva experiment.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Yeah, for a budget brand, I don’t see why a dealer or direct model sort of shop couldn’t keep a test car available of each model, along with some samples of interior trim for each equipment level in the “showroom”. With internet resources available to people, these cars should basically sell themselves, especially if they can seriously undercut competitors.

Keeping the dealer, or whatever entity sells and services these cars, small, makes a lot of sense, especially if you want to get into markets that actually want and need these cars: smaller cities and towns where the typical car buyer doesn’t make an income high enough to buy 30k+ cars. Not NYC, but Albany. Not Boston, but Springfield. Build a network with more small locations so that if you buy one you don’t have to worry about moving to a place that’s 100 miles from the nearest service department.

Basically, Dacia should come over to try to be Aldi, but for cars.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
10 months ago

Brand equity: Zero

John de Wit
John de Wit
10 months ago

“roof rails, which can be unbolted in seconds and then refitted widthways across the car to make a roof rack. [Editor’s Note: That’s incredibly clever. I love it! How has no one figured this out before? – JT]”

Chrysler figured this out some time ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmyDuOnzL-w

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
10 months ago
Reply to  John de Wit

Subaru has been doing this for years on the Outback also.

Drew
Drew
10 months ago

I was coming down here to mention just that. I’ve long wondered why more vehicles don’t do this, especially the rest of the Subaru line.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
10 months ago
Reply to  Drew

Those chunky roof rails probably have a pretty rough effect on aero.

I personally like them, however, I have a couple of friends that use their roof rack constantly (large fishing kayaks + bikes, etc.) and they hate the Outback’s crossbars because they can’t fit as much between the rails or tie anything off on the outside of the rails, like a crossbar that would span past the rails. They bought a special set of crossbars that fit into the attachment points to do that (not cheap). Something to consider I suppose for those who really pile stuff up there.

Drew
Drew
10 months ago

They might have a rough effect on aero, but the rails to which you’d attach crossbars can’t be that much better, I’d think. I hadn’t run into anyone who disliked the Outback setup, so it is good to know the downsides for the folks who use them. Makes more sense why not every Subaru would have them, then.

I mostly hate that I have to store my crossbars and would love something that makes it easier (without leaving the damn things deployed all the time). I’d love to see these sorts be an option on more vehicles, at least, but I suppose added variations means added production complexity and cost.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
10 months ago

No tools required.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
10 months ago
Reply to  John de Wit

Ah you beat me to it.

Yeah my Voyager has these, and honestly, it’s an awesome system. The outback also has built in crossbars.

Last edited 10 months ago by Taargus Taargus
TOSSABL
TOSSABL
10 months ago

I can’t think of a single other new car that proudly proclaims its model on the front like this. Anyone know of one either side of the pond?

If I lived over there, I’d have to go rent one because 125 torques pushing <2400lbs is much better than the great majority of beaters I used to enjoy hooning

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
10 months ago

They need to sell it over here. Mitsubishi Sandero

Mark Tucker
Mark Tucker
10 months ago

So it’s small, sensible, clever, humble, and painted in a real color? No wonder we can’t have it here.

Steve
Steve
10 months ago

Good news!

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
10 months ago

How do you say it? DAY-SHAH?

A. Barth
A. Barth
10 months ago

I believe it’s da-chya.

A. Barth
A. Barth
10 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Cheers, mate

EXL500
EXL500
10 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Of course it is, but I just learned it now. Thanks!

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
10 months ago

Das Seeya

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
10 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

That’s exactly how it sounds in my head. And, I like it, so have not bothered to find out if that’s right

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
10 months ago

All the ‘it’ girls say Dorsche and like, toss their hair…

After all. It is the cheap stripper model.

Last edited 10 months ago by Andy Individual
Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
10 months ago

Aaand I’m stealing that…

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
10 months ago

You know Dacia and Dancer and Prancer and Vixen…

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