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When I Worked At Chrysler I Kept A Glossary Of Ridiculous Corporate Terms Engineers Overused At Meetings. Here Is That Glossary

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When I became a full-time engineer at Chrysler at age 21, there were certain elements of the corporate environment that I found flat-out odd. Why were all the engineers working in gray cubicles while the designers and businesspeople were literally in their own, colorful, beautiful buildings? Why did designers and businessfolks have better lunchrooms than engineers? Why does everyone leave at exactly 4:30? Why are engineers not allowed to use tools without having getting union grievances filed against them? Why did so few employees actually love cars? I could go on and on, but the thing I want to talk about today is the corporate buzzwords/strange terms used in the hallowed halls of the Chrysler Technical center circa 2015. I kept a list.

You might have read our article “One Ford Executive Created A List Of Mixed Metaphors And Malaprops Heard Around The Office And It’s Hilarious,” which was based on a great find by the Wall Street Journal. It turns out, a Ford exec would meticulously document any time he heard some sort of tortured mixed metaphor, and the list he jotted down is fantastic.

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This article reminded me of my own list of tortured terms that I heard in the engineering halls of a major automaker. Specifically, this was in the halls of the Chrysler Technical Center, a humongous building in Auburn Hills that was, at least when I was there between 2013 and 2015, occupied on weekdays by 15,000 people. It was a larger-than-life epicenter of automotive development, with everyone from technicians to engineers to execs to designers all in the second largest office complex in the U.S. (second to the Pentagon).

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Chrysler felt old-school when I got there after college. Mostly middle-aged men would walk through the turnstiles everyday at 7:30 AM with the same lunch pail they’d carried the day before, eating the same lunch, going through many of the same routines. There was plenty of bureaucracy, folks all wore khakis and polo shirts/dress paints and button-downs, and in many ways it kinda felt like a movie scene of the corporate world from the 1950s. That’s not to say it wasn’t an amazing place to work, because in many ways it was, but again, the point here is that my 21 year-old self — with little industry experience — found some of the corporate-speak to be really, really fascinating.

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For some reason, I decided to jot some of that corporate-speak down, using a title page usually reserved for official, top-secret engineering documents. In this case, I was too lazy to change the title from “Alternator Performance Requirements — 12V.” (Unrelated: I was for a while trying to get the electrical team together to give a “load budget” so that we’d know if the Motor Generator Unit — MGU — we’d chosen for the Jeep Wrangler JL was sized appropriately. How can we know if we have the right “alternator” if we don’t know what our electrical load is? Why was I doing this as a cooling system engineer, you might wonder? Because I realized nobody else at the company was doing it. Yes, Chrysler was the wild west, and in a way, it was awesome).  Screen Shot 2025 03 29 At 10.20.04 Am

My document, titled COMMON ENGINEERING WORDS V13 (yes, apparently there were 13 versions of this. Or maybe that was a joke), begins with the Holy Grail of Chrysler corporate terms — one so overused that it drove my friends and me absolutely bonkers.

“To your point.”

What the hell even is this corporate phrase, grammatically? “To your point?” Why use the preposition “to?” This makes literally zero sense, and I’m not the only schmuck who thinks this.

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The way this would be used is, someone would say something at a meeting, then someone else who was trying to get some words in so as to appear contributory would need to make a transition. This is where they’d deploy the atomic bomb of transitions: “to your point.”

“To your point, Bob, we really need to make sure our electrical load budget accounts for accessories like winches and the like.”

This statement need not have anything whatsoever to do with what Bob said. Such is the magic of “to your point.” Some refer to it as an “active listening” phrase; it’s basically meaningless, and means “I’m gonna talk now.” And my god was it overused at Chrysler.

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“Deep dive” was also a heavily used phrase around Chrysler. It basically meant “let’s actually do some engineering. Let’s stop pulling stuff out of our arses, and let’s do a bit of digging.” I also liked the term “root cause,” because nobody ever said the silent “analysis” at the end. “Let’s do a root cause on that heater warmup issue on JL GME-T4,” one might say. It meant basically: “Let’s get all the nerds together and do a bit of investigating on the core of this issue.”

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“Due diligence” was another corporate term that was used all the time. It’s a term that sounds nice and makes the sayer seem like a real, thoughtful, hard-working engineer. Though what it ultimately means is: Don’t be lazy. Look at this issue from all possible angles. I have it on the list because it was way, way overused.

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One of my favorite terms used at Chrysler was “let’s look at the data.” This would often be uttered immediately after someone made a major claim, especially if it was a dubious one. “We expect a 3 MPG increase from this Active Grille Shutter Strategy,” an engineer might say. Someone would express their doubts, there’d be an argument, and then the doubter would say: “Let’s look at the data.” It meant “I don’t believe you.” It was sometimes used as a trump card to shut someone up, because ultimately: Data don’t lie.

“Can you go back a slide?” was a classic. You see, at Chrysler, lots of folks were just on their laptops during meetings, many not paying any attention (I was on Jalopnik quite often, if I’m being honest). “Can you go back a slide?” was a frequently-used way to make it seem like you were actually listening.

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“Directionally correct” was an absolute classic at Chrysler. It basically just meant “at least this thing is leading us closer to the outcome we want, and not further.” I’d never heard “directionally correct” in my whole life, but at Chrysler I’d hear it basically daily.

Another favorite was “high level,” which basically meant “dumbed down.” And “low hanging fruit,” which basically meant changes we can make easily to get us closer to the desired outcome.

A strange one was “This five minutes,” which was used a lot by the former MR (Model Responsible) of the Jeep Wrangler JL, but also by others. “Use the Samsung data because that’s who our supplier is this five minutes.” What a bizarre expression. Why not just say “at the moment”? I have no clue.

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A “recovery slide” was a thing I’d only ever heard at the Tech Center. It means: “Man, we are SCREWED. Put together a slide that we can show our bosses so they know we’re working on this because otherwise we’re getting yelled at.”

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“Plan of record” I had also never heard prior to Chrysler. It means “the official plan.” There might be a dozen different engineering designs/suppliers/product plans, but what was the official corporate plan for a vehicle program was what was referred to as “plan of record.” It was always exciting when some cool, advanced technology became plan-of-record (though often times it’d be cut later in the program).

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“Let’s circle back” meant “You guys go get the actual answer please and come back and tell me about it,” while having a “small circle” usually meant “I don’t want input from some of the folks in this meeting.” The use of “worst case” in my department was basically a way to figure out one single “worst-case” test that could be our sizing/design point. “Use Davis Dam J2807 as your worst case,” for example. Though I suspect in other departments it was used similarly to figure out the most adverse situation a given design might face.

Another weird one from a grammar standpoint was “I can speak to that.” Why? Because grammatically, if you can “speak to” something it means you can attest to it. “I can speak to his skills as a programmer, as I worked with him for years,” one might say. But at Chrysler, that’s not how engineers used this phrase. “I can speak to that” just meant “I have words I can say about this topic.”

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“I can speak to the water pump’s performance. It looks like, according to the data, our flow rates are too high in our aluminum lines, leading to erosion concerns, but I’ll pull up this recovery slide and show you the root cause, plus we can do a small-circle after this and discuss low-hanging fruit to get us back on track.”

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So many engineers used the phrase “relative to” in the strangest way. They’d go on and on about something, and then say “relative to alternator performance” or “relative to the transfer case” — all at the very end of the sentence. For what seemed like an eternity you’d have zero clue what the hell they were talking about until that “relative to” dropped at the end, and you’d have to try to remember what the speaker had been blabbering on about for 30 seconds.

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“The art of the possible” was used to try to understand what solutions were at our disposal, “got my steps in” meant “dang this meeting was far away from my desk,” and “eye chart” meant some kind of chart or graph or page that was difficult to see. What a weird phrase, right? “Yikes, what’s that say there on the Y-axis? This thing’s a bit of an eye-chart.”

Anyway, before I conclude I’d like to mention a few more phrases I heard during my time engineering at Chrysler (the list above isn’t my latest and greatest; that one is sadly lost to time). One is “this is invention.” This, usually said in a negative manner, literally meant “nobody else is doing this. Why the hell are we gonna be the first?” (Yes, that says a lot about Chrysler’s overall philosophy, but we won’t get into that). There was also “10 pounds of sh*t in a five pound bag,” which referenced a tight packaging situation (like when we put the relatively complex new turbo four-cylinder into the JL engine bay). Plus there was “let’s take this offline,” which meant “we gotta stop talking about this now. Let’s deal with it later.”

Then there was “Does the customer care/Will the customer notice?”

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This one is my favorite because I remember being in dozens of meetings in which engineers would spend ages poring through data, trying to solve a problem, and in the end one person would quip: “What does this mean to the customer?”

And then the room will go silent, and everyone will realize they just wasted two hours.

God I love engineers.

h/t: Clay Johnson!

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Joel Sinclair
Joel Sinclair
22 days ago

I’ve been at a different Big 3 for 15 years and I’ve heard all of these. The craziest I’ve heard was, “eating the elephant one bite at a time.” All I kept thinking was, “who the f*ck eats elephants?!”

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Joel Sinclair

All I kept thinking was, “who the f*ck eats elephants?!”

https://eatdelights.com/elephant-taste/

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I’d have a hard time eating an animal that not only buries their dead but grieves for them as well:

https://www.sciencealert.com/tragic-and-mysterious-elephant-burial-ritual-witnessed-by-scientists

Toecutter
Toecutter
20 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Pigs have the intelligence of a small human child of about 4 years old. Americans eat them by the millions a year and they spend their entire lives unable even move, only to be mechanically butchered, live.

You might be surprised also at the “primitive” animals that have sentience. Even rattlesnakes have social relationships with their own kind.

https://www.animalcognition.org/2016/01/12/interview-with-snake-behavior-researcher-melissa-amarello/

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
20 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I know. I had my own porcine epiphany many years ago. A lot of people also think cats are solitary, aloof animals when the truth is they are highly social and friendly when not mistreated.

Last edited 20 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Jb996
Jb996
20 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good…

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
20 days ago
Reply to  Jb996

Yeah. Its quite a conundrum.

Paul B
Paul B
22 days ago

At least we’re past the age of paradigm shifts. Someone was thinking outside the box.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul B

That sounds like a great way to drive engagement

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
21 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Yes, I think we’re all aligned on that

MikeInTheWoods
MikeInTheWoods
21 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Thanks, I just threw up my breakfast.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul B

I hated that phrase when it was used back in the day. I used to put a pair of dimes on the table in front of me at the start of meetings and point at them whenever the phrase was used. Some people figured it out and there would be a wave of snickers triggered by it.

Last edited 22 days ago by LMCorvairFan
I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
22 days ago

I work in software development, and a lot of these are used in that realm too.

Years ago, we had a new, fresh young guy right out of school join the team. We had a group meeting to talk though an issue and figure out how to handle it.

After we all worked out the complete solution and walked through it one last time, the poor guy nodded to himself and said out loud “it should work”.

He never lived that one down, and it became our standard phrase for ending those kinds of meetings.

D-dub
D-dub
21 days ago

At least these corporate-speak phrases use real words. Software developers feel the need to embiggen the English language with made up words like “performant” for their corporate-speak.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 days ago
Reply to  D-dub

Interestingly, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, the earliest evidence for performant is from 1809, in the writing of Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet, critic, and philosopher. So, way before “software” was even a thing.

According to Merriam Webster, the first recorded use of embiggen was in 1996. (Although in fairness, OED lists its first use in 1884, then nothing until into the 2000s).

Either way, performant predates embiggen by about 75 years.

A lot of words have a surprisingly long existence, and get forgotten and resurrected multiple times throughout history. Software development definitely does have its share of new words, largely because many of the concepts are brand new (“menuing” comes to mind), but a surprising number are resurrected words.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
22 days ago

To your point = related to your point/in response to your point/in addition to your point/etc.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
22 days ago

Also, I think all job-related jargon is developed to make mundane jobs seem more special, even hip (though how hip can one be using hackneyed phrases?) Jargon is also a tribal marker. Using plain language instead of the local jargon signals you’re not quite one of them.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
22 days ago

I saw,some of the same phrases at Intel. Root Cause and Deep Dive were common in IT, as well deliverables and TLAs (three letter acronyms). Eye chart came up occasionally, and is a reasonable critique of hard to read graphs, indicators was also a big deal. Take that offline was also over usedSome stuff is common to every big organization, hence the universality of Dilbert. Every organization also has specific terms so you can tell where people are from.

Last edited 22 days ago by Slow Joe Crow
LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
22 days ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

I’ve seen them all over in IT as well as in my days doing hardware and operating systems in telecom. Some of the phrases were industry specific but some are still in used over 45 years later.

Dan Jones
Dan Jones
22 days ago

It’s corporate speak and is still prevalent from engineers, to middle management, the C-suite, down to facilities. It’s fascinating how the corporate world has developed it’s own lingo to basically hide what is in plain site. But you know it makes the business happy if you know how to save face in a meeting after a genuine f up with “I can’t speak to that now but I’ll circle back with my team offline.” Which actually means, “Excuse me, I need to go yell at my team because the presentation to the Board is incomplete, the data doesn’t make sense, and also because in 5 minutes the Director is gonna call me and hold my nuts in a vice because I made him look like an idiot in front the CEO”

Rob Rex
Rob Rex
22 days ago

Can confirm we used almost all of these phrases at GM as well

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
22 days ago
Reply to  Rob Rex

Yes the language across Michigan (and divisional outposts across the country) was nearly universal. We also gave newcomers a list of the hundreds of three letter abbreviations (TLAs) used in the business.

Last edited 22 days ago by Speedway Sammy
Harvey Parkour
Harvey Parkour
22 days ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

Software companies in silicon valley too.

Jason H.
Jason H.
22 days ago

Heard all of those over the years. A new one for me at my current employer was “thermal event”. We can’t say something caught on fire. Instead we have to say something like: “There was a thermal event that lead to the complete loss of the test vehicle”.

Bob Tenney
Bob Tenney
21 days ago
Reply to  Jason H.

Tom and Ray Magliozzi once had a caller whose minivan had been recalled when other vans of the same model experienced a “thermal event.” Their first question: “was it a conventional thermal event?”

Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
22 days ago

I feel like all of Fiat/Chrysler was basically just “directionally correct” most of the time, haha. Stellantis however can’t even claim that so far.

Factoryhack
Factoryhack
22 days ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

Don’t even get me started on Stellantis.

“Chimp with a machine gun.” would be a really good phrase for the Carlos Tavares reign of terror.

Harvey Parkour
Harvey Parkour
22 days ago
Reply to  Factoryhack

Do you mean this guy? https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001484/

D-dub
D-dub
21 days ago
Reply to  Harvey Parkour

That’s the ticket!

Factoryhack
Factoryhack
22 days ago

Our tenures at good old Chrysler overlapped, although I spent all my time in the field organization.There was definitely a bit of Wild West vibe throughout our group too.

Funny, virtually every single one of your engineering buzzwords also got used in the field organization. We probably utilized more cuss words and anguished screaming at quarter end, but, the rest all sound eerily familiar. Corporate culture is pretty consistent, apparently.

My all time favorite phrase, usually thrown out by our B.C. director at the end of a tough wholesale run was “The drinking lamp is lit.” That one produced some memorable evenings, especially during times when “discretionary marketing budget” was loosely defined and vaguely scrutinized.

MrLM002
MrLM002
22 days ago

Let’s do a follow-up outside of here

and

Let’s circle back on this

Seem like the shit middle managers say to avoid fixing known problems that become recalls later and if it really blows up in their face they can point to the fact they said this and say they ‘forgot’ to have the follow up meeting.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Seem like the shit middle managers say

They’ll gladly cost the 2nd-hand buyer $2,000 post-warrantee to save $1.50 on the manufacturing cost. The midwit MBA dudebros above them in the corporate hierarchy demand it. Thus, the vehicle ends up in a landfill instead of providing decades more service.

Last edited 22 days ago by Toecutter
Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
22 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Now why would they make a car that lasts that long? Wouldn’t it be much better for the customer to make $1200 a month payments for the rest of their life on a never ending progression of cars? /s

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

What percent of such cars make it that far without being wrecked, rusted out, destroyed from neglect or just dumped because they aren’t shiny anymore?

Also if you want your car to last, fork out for the #@%$& TruCoat!

Last edited 21 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Toecutter
Toecutter
20 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Surprisingly many. Especially 1980s-2000s Hondas and Toyotas…

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
20 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Agreed as long as they are maintained and kept away from road salt. However, even here in salt free California those cars still ended up in wrecking yards due to neglect or the whims of fashion.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
22 days ago

Holy cow, I want you to know most of these are used currently at SpaceX. I hear a root cause, I can speak to that, circle back on a daily basis, in addition to the revolving fixation on different phrases.

Jason H.
Jason H.
22 days ago
Reply to  Beachbumberry

Almost all of those phrases have been used in every office I’ve worked in over the last 30 years. Same with my wife. When she went back to school and got an engineering degree a lot of my office experiences suddenly started making sense.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
21 days ago
Reply to  Beachbumberry

Probably the most important skill there would be “managing up”.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
21 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

“Extreme ownership” is the vernacular that gets thrown around for that one

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
21 days ago
Reply to  Beachbumberry

Given the boss’ well-known ketamine-up/cannabis-down habits, “the sniff test” probably comes into it more literally than in most other companies too.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
21 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

This made me chuckle alot

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
22 days ago

Many of these terms are used in any corporate environment, but especially ones that make things. But you do get interesting corporate variations. I remember from my early days as an automotive supplier sales rep (and visiting our customers in the CTC) was one of the first things my boss told me. “You never say we have a a problem. You say we have an issue“.
Some good terms I’ve come across in my career:
“Does it pass the sniff test” typically means does this idea spell like a pile of sh*t
“We need to find some white space” find a part of an existing market that nobody is serving
“Blue sky market” when you can’t find any white space, invent a whole new market.
And my favorite was “getting Grausered” Grauser being the name of a specific executive who had a way of making promises he had no intention of keeping in order to get people to do things. So getting Grausered was doing the things he wanted you to do and later realizing that there would never be any followthrough on his part. People fell for it over and over.

Last edited 22 days ago by Highland Green Miata
KevFC
KevFC
21 days ago

At a major bank, an IT guy saw every problem, big or small, as “an opportunity.” We had the feeling he got that from a staff develpment type seminar.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
22 days ago

Every industry has it’s own buzzword/buzzphrase bingo cards. Or in the case of management consulting – books of them.

It’s fun when someone’s professional life bleeds over a bit too much into their personal life with this. In my circle of friends there is one guy who was a management consultant for 20+ years. We literally would play buzzword bingo when we all went out together (one of the wags in the group printed up cards). And God Forbid he took a client call while we were out. It was *hilarious*. He’s recovering now.

As an IT consultant/field engineer, I try VERY hard to avoid this sort of corporate speak. Thankfully, I very rarely have to talk to or interact with client management, but I am on a fair number of calls with the salesdudes and client management – sometimes I just have to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.

Kuruza
Kuruza
22 days ago

I have a friend in tech PR who “leverages” everything from “breakfast options” to “healthy boundaries.” In their lexicon, leverage basically means “made the most of” or even just “used,” although it’s hard to not apply the more literal meaning of the word, i.e. “took advantage of.”

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago

Great article but having never been an engineer i can speak to most of those terms not being relative to engineering or Chrysler if we were to do a deep dive to your point on the subject.

Last edited 22 days ago by 1978fiatspyderfan
REO Swedewagen
REO Swedewagen
22 days ago

Reminds me of this scene from Ford vs. Ferrari:

Have you ever been to Detroit? I mean, they have floors and floors of lawyers. And millions of marketing guys. And they’re all gonna want to meet you; oh, they’re gonna want to get their photo taken with the great Carroll Shelby. And they’re all gonna kiss your ass, and they’re gonna go back to their lovely offices, and then work out new ways to screw you.

Why?

Because they can’t help it. Because they just want to please their boss who wants to please his boss who wants to please his boss. And they hate themselves for it.

6thtimearound
6thtimearound
22 days ago

For the teaching profession, my favorite overused term was “rubric”, which was either a rule, a set of rules, or a collection of sets of rules, which could be found in an email, a powerpoint, or some handouts from a meeting. Really vague. In practice, admins would tell you to refer to the rubric when they wanted to disagree with you but they couldn’t support their point.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
22 days ago
Reply to  6thtimearound

The best is when your job isn’t covered by any rubric. Or the rubric is for general education, not special education. Or they assign autism and emotional disability then wonder why one approach doesn’t fit all. Square peg, meet round/hexagonal/pentagonal/triangular hole.

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
22 days ago

Son is a first year music teacher feeling your pain.

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
22 days ago
Reply to  6thtimearound

Agreed!

My husband complains that teachers speak in too many acronyms. RSP. SDC. SDAIE ELL/ELD PLC SBAC SPSA ELPAC and that’s just for starters.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
22 days ago

After 30 years in design, product development, and marketing, I can confidently say that corporations are a bottomless well of strange language. Since I have always been part of an outside firm or individual consultant/contract, it is interesting to go from company to company to see how the language changes.

It is like learning multiple dialects that have come about due to environmental and cultural variations. The language itself is never the issue. Largely, the strange terms come about for a valid reason but then get twisted by people who just want to sound smart or make noise.

For instance, “speak to” might have been used to differentiate from people who “talked about” topics despite knowing little about them. It became a cultural marker and polite way of saying, “I am informed on the topic,” without saying that the other people aren’t. It initially sounds strange, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t useful. Or did it at one point before being appropriated by the people who used to “talk about’ things?

Nate Stanley
Nate Stanley
22 days ago

I’m retired now, but my last two positions were in tier one contract manufacturing, and this is SO familiar.

I’ll add four more,

“Here’s the 10,000 foot look at this problem”
In other words, sort of an executive summary.

“Granularity” as if the the more closely (deeper dive) you looked at a situation, the more details became clear..sometimes too much granularity was not a good thing..

Sharing details of our processes / tribal knowledge with others was referred to as the “open kimono” approach.

And finally, we developed complete (hopefully) engineering packages to pass on to our sister production facilities in lower cost centers such as Mexico or China. Drawings, Boms, work instructions, quality plans, software, etc.
If it was complete and successful, it was a “warm handoff”.

Most of this jargon came from the sales side of the organization.

Anoos
Anoos
22 days ago
Reply to  Nate Stanley

I knew someone would mention the 10,000 foot view.

I’ve even heard people taking 20,000, 30,000 or even 40,000 foot views! (The only 40,000 foot view I wanted was out the window of the plane on my way home)

Nate Stanley
Nate Stanley
22 days ago
Reply to  Anoos

At least it’s a flexible expression.

But it called to mind a couple more. I never heard it in my meetings, but someone somewhere decided to make the word “effort” into a verb, as in “we need to effort that”. How far? Of course, “Run it to ground!”

Signed,
40+ years working in Silicon Valley

gotta love them!

Brent Jatko
Brent Jatko
21 days ago
Reply to  Nate Stanley

As a proposal engineer I had to “reduce the granularity” of the quotes I sent out.

Bottom line is that customers want individual item prices and it doesn’t work well for a complete system built from modular components.

Nate Stanley
Nate Stanley
21 days ago
Reply to  Brent Jatko

Having a modular approach on the sales side is the best way to hide where the profits are. One thing we never did IIRC was to share a costed BOM with anyone outside the company.

Nate Stanley
Nate Stanley
21 days ago
Reply to  Nate Stanley

Oh yeah, and if you were on a plane with a business colleague, ALWAYS say “bill of materials”, not “BOM”!

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Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago

God I love engineers.

I am one…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGzKMv-eBgw

Our natural enemy is accountants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WW-VMqdMQ0

M SV
M SV
22 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Accountants are the historical natural enemy but MBAs and consultants have been given them a run for there money. I knew a guy who said you can train an accountant but you can’t train those MBAs or consultants.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  M SV

MBAs love it when you give them new jargon. Terms which these middling-IQ dudebros don’t understand the meaning of that they can use to think they are impressing their imaginary and/or indifferent audience. What’s sad is that they were more often than not born into a position of more opportunity than an engineer or accountant will ever be able to get to within multiple lifetimes. These dudebros ultimately determine what gets manufactured and the big decisions that get made, and not people 2-3+ standard deviations in front of them…

Hence, the unrelenting enshitification of everything. There is zero vision beyond the next quarterly report and what maximizes profits between now and then.

This so-called “society” has people with 130+ IQs flipping burgers, cleaning toilets, and washing dishes for minimum wage or close to it, while dudebros born into privilege with average intelligence make 7-8 figures and determine the future of humanity, all thanks to institutional nepotism and over-credentialization as barriers to employment(eg. “Bachelors required, Masters preferred.” ~Karen in HR).

Ted Kaczynski was right on the money, largely due to the control these people have over everyone else, and not necessarily due to humanity’s abusive relationship with technology. Mike Judge is also a prophet, except Idiocracy came approximately half a millennium earlier than he predicted.

If I had to do it over again, I might have dropped out of high school and sold dope. Fuck it!

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M SV
M SV
22 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I do love when they repeate some nonsense from marketing material like they have inside knowledge. You just have to laugh and walk away. I’ve seen what academia delivers to the world and it’s less and less every year and the big name schools give you even less. We had PHds from the ivy leagues and Stanford who were blithering idiots and some guy from some obscure state school from Alabama or Mississippi running circles around them. I’ve been trying to figure out where academia went wrong for over a decade some have placed it as 1989 was the first year of helicopter parents I think it goes back further but not sure where.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
21 days ago
Reply to  M SV

Imo when the supreme Court ruled that the CEO of a companies only job is to make profit for the shareholders when Henry Ford tried to double his workers pay in the 80s is where I think it all went wrong.

Toecutter
Toecutter
21 days ago
Reply to  AcidGambit

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. was 1919. And that was the Michigan Supreme Court.

M SV
M SV
22 days ago

Corporate engineering speak. It gets more colorful in other industries. Military and defence contractors use similar as well. I always felt like the older guys just didn’t want to change then when I became an older guy I realized they had gone down that road before got different results then what was expected. But also knew you can’t tell a young engineer it won’t work or results will be different so let them figure it out or suss out if there is some massive improvement in some system or science of something they found.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
22 days ago
Reply to  M SV

Knowing David’s background, the Military chart is probably stuff he grew up hearing and didn’t know was jargon until Jason, Elise or someone else asks what he means.

M SV
M SV
22 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Could be it enters your lexicon and you find yourself sometimes using them even with people looking at you funny. Every industry has their accroynns but the military and defence really loves and takes ownership of theirs.

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Sam Morse
Sam Morse
22 days ago
Reply to  M SV

Legend is the master of the universe for jargon and abbreviations is the FAA which began as a military organization then became merely a government bureaucracy.

M SV
M SV
22 days ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

I’ve heard their stuff from inspectors I think the navy has them beat. Especially submariners but the surface guys aren’t lacking either.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

I think Jason is much smarter than most people give him credit for. He simply never pursued the academic path to the extent that would be expected for a man of his intellect, which IMO, was a wise decision on his part.

He’s also a chaos sigil in living form, and I respect how much raw power that confers within the occult. He’s totally Chaos Goblin.

https://i.imgur.com/aC56AOw.jpg

AND he drives a Changli! High performance EVs should be no more complicated than this. I’m not joking.

If those psychopathic clowns at TVR were still in business, there is ample opportunity for a mostly-analogue, inexpensive, no-frills, highly-efficient sports car EV that could rip off 10s in the 1/4 mile and drain its battery pack on a race track within under 5 minutes, but also get 200+ miles range at 70 mph on under 25 kWh when driven sanely…

Last edited 22 days ago by Toecutter
Harvey Parkour
Harvey Parkour
22 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

(Not her real name)

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Harvey Parkour

I once knew a girl whose real name was Elise. She was every bit as seductive a proposition as the car, and similarly low mass as well as pretty, along with being somewhat fussy, high maintenance, and delicate, but anything more would be best left unsaid. 🙂

Last edited 22 days ago by Toecutter
Sam Morse
Sam Morse
22 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

The car pretty much raised the bar for people with that name.

Mark Abel
Mark Abel
22 days ago

It took me 13 years in a big corporation to figure out that a PowerPoint slide is an eye chart because, like at the optometrist, some of the letters are too small to see clearly

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago
Reply to  Mark Abel

And the smaller the words the more important they are

L. Kintal
L. Kintal
22 days ago

I’ve seen and heard most of these. A couple additions that I don’t see on your list:

“Let’s take this offline”: This means, I have an objective for this meeting and the topic that you’ve spent the last 15 minutes talking about isn’t it.

“Is there a charge line for this?”: This one might just be limited to very large companies and the exact term may be different between companies but it means you have asked me to do something that is outside my currently assigned work so which project / customer should my time answering this request be billed to? AKA show me the money or go away.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
22 days ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Hey David now that you are in California have you thought about acting. You are the Pinnacle of Hollywood Nerd. Or whatever is politically correct version now. I love those pictures.

Eric W
Eric W
22 days ago
Reply to  L. Kintal

Amen to do you have a charge number, many people have ideas, some people are actually making money for the company.

Mr. Stabby
Mr. Stabby
20 days ago
Reply to  Eric W

I’m in consulting. Everything has a charge number and a budgeted time to complete.

Anoos
Anoos
22 days ago
Reply to  L. Kintal

I second the take this offline. I used that one a lot, and the people in the meeting knew that I was telling them to shut up. My offline discussion would be an elaboration about how they should shut up.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
22 days ago

I’ve heard all of those.

“This five minutes” implies that it’ll change (like it always does) but, for now, this is what we’re doing.

D-dub
D-dub
21 days ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Right, it’s not just saying “this is the current thing”, it’s saying the current thing changes very often.

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