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When I Worked At Chrysler I Kept A Glossary Of Ridiculous Corporate Terms Engineers Overused At Meetings. Here Is That Glossary

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When I became a full-time engineer at Chrysler at age 21, there were certain elements of the corporate environment that I found flat-out odd. Why were all the engineers working in gray cubicles while the designers and businesspeople were literally in their own, colorful, beautiful buildings? Why did designers and businessfolks have better lunchrooms than engineers? Why does everyone leave at exactly 4:30? Why are engineers not allowed to use tools without having getting union grievances filed against them? Why did so few employees actually love cars? I could go on and on, but the thing I want to talk about today is the corporate buzzwords/strange terms used in the hallowed halls of the Chrysler Technical center circa 2015. I kept a list.

You might have read our article “One Ford Executive Created A List Of Mixed Metaphors And Malaprops Heard Around The Office And It’s Hilarious,” which was based on a great find by the Wall Street Journal. It turns out, a Ford exec would meticulously document any time he heard some sort of tortured mixed metaphor, and the list he jotted down is fantastic.

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This article reminded me of my own list of tortured terms that I heard in the engineering halls of a major automaker. Specifically, this was in the halls of the Chrysler Technical Center, a humongous building in Auburn Hills that was, at least when I was there between 2013 and 2015, occupied on weekdays by 15,000 people. It was a larger-than-life epicenter of automotive development, with everyone from technicians to engineers to execs to designers all in the second largest office complex in the U.S. (second to the Pentagon).

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Chrysler felt old-school when I got there after college. Mostly middle-aged men would walk through the turnstiles everyday at 7:30 AM with the same lunch pail they’d carried the day before, eating the same lunch, going through many of the same routines. There was plenty of bureaucracy, folks all wore khakis and polo shirts/dress paints and button-downs, and in many ways it kinda felt like a movie scene of the corporate world from the 1950s. That’s not to say it wasn’t an amazing place to work, because in many ways it was, but again, the point here is that my 21 year-old self — with little industry experience — found some of the corporate-speak to be really, really fascinating.

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For some reason, I decided to jot some of that corporate-speak down, using a title page usually reserved for official, top-secret engineering documents. In this case, I was too lazy to change the title from “Alternator Performance Requirements — 12V.” (Unrelated: I was for a while trying to get the electrical team together to give a “load budget” so that we’d know if the Motor Generator Unit — MGU — we’d chosen for the Jeep Wrangler JL was sized appropriately. How can we know if we have the right “alternator” if we don’t know what our electrical load is? Why was I doing this as a cooling system engineer, you might wonder? Because I realized nobody else at the company was doing it. Yes, Chrysler was the wild west, and in a way, it was awesome).  Screen Shot 2025 03 29 At 10.20.04 Am

My document, titled COMMON ENGINEERING WORDS V13 (yes, apparently there were 13 versions of this. Or maybe that was a joke), begins with the Holy Grail of Chrysler corporate terms — one so overused that it drove my friends and me absolutely bonkers.

“To your point.”

What the hell even is this corporate phrase, grammatically? “To your point?” Why use the preposition “to?” This makes literally zero sense, and I’m not the only schmuck who thinks this.

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The way this would be used is, someone would say something at a meeting, then someone else who was trying to get some words in so as to appear contributory would need to make a transition. This is where they’d deploy the atomic bomb of transitions: “to your point.”

“To your point, Bob, we really need to make sure our electrical load budget accounts for accessories like winches and the like.”

This statement need not have anything whatsoever to do with what Bob said. Such is the magic of “to your point.” Some refer to it as an “active listening” phrase; it’s basically meaningless, and means “I’m gonna talk now.” And my god was it overused at Chrysler.

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“Deep dive” was also a heavily used phrase around Chrysler. It basically meant “let’s actually do some engineering. Let’s stop pulling stuff out of our arses, and let’s do a bit of digging.” I also liked the term “root cause,” because nobody ever said the silent “analysis” at the end. “Let’s do a root cause on that heater warmup issue on JL GME-T4,” one might say. It meant basically: “Let’s get all the nerds together and do a bit of investigating on the core of this issue.”

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“Due diligence” was another corporate term that was used all the time. It’s a term that sounds nice and makes the sayer seem like a real, thoughtful, hard-working engineer. Though what it ultimately means is: Don’t be lazy. Look at this issue from all possible angles. I have it on the list because it was way, way overused.

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One of my favorite terms used at Chrysler was “let’s look at the data.” This would often be uttered immediately after someone made a major claim, especially if it was a dubious one. “We expect a 3 MPG increase from this Active Grille Shutter Strategy,” an engineer might say. Someone would express their doubts, there’d be an argument, and then the doubter would say: “Let’s look at the data.” It meant “I don’t believe you.” It was sometimes used as a trump card to shut someone up, because ultimately: Data don’t lie.

“Can you go back a slide?” was a classic. You see, at Chrysler, lots of folks were just on their laptops during meetings, many not paying any attention (I was on Jalopnik quite often, if I’m being honest). “Can you go back a slide?” was a frequently-used way to make it seem like you were actually listening.

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“Directionally correct” was an absolute classic at Chrysler. It basically just meant “at least this thing is leading us closer to the outcome we want, and not further.” I’d never heard “directionally correct” in my whole life, but at Chrysler I’d hear it basically daily.

Another favorite was “high level,” which basically meant “dumbed down.” And “low hanging fruit,” which basically meant changes we can make easily to get us closer to the desired outcome.

A strange one was “This five minutes,” which was used a lot by the former MR (Model Responsible) of the Jeep Wrangler JL, but also by others. “Use the Samsung data because that’s who our supplier is this five minutes.” What a bizarre expression. Why not just say “at the moment”? I have no clue.

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A “recovery slide” was a thing I’d only ever heard at the Tech Center. It means: “Man, we are SCREWED. Put together a slide that we can show our bosses so they know we’re working on this because otherwise we’re getting yelled at.”

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“Plan of record” I had also never heard prior to Chrysler. It means “the official plan.” There might be a dozen different engineering designs/suppliers/product plans, but what was the official corporate plan for a vehicle program was what was referred to as “plan of record.” It was always exciting when some cool, advanced technology became plan-of-record (though often times it’d be cut later in the program).

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“Let’s circle back” meant “You guys go get the actual answer please and come back and tell me about it,” while having a “small circle” usually meant “I don’t want input from some of the folks in this meeting.” The use of “worst case” in my department was basically a way to figure out one single “worst-case” test that could be our sizing/design point. “Use Davis Dam J2807 as your worst case,” for example. Though I suspect in other departments it was used similarly to figure out the most adverse situation a given design might face.

Another weird one from a grammar standpoint was “I can speak to that.” Why? Because grammatically, if you can “speak to” something it means you can attest to it. “I can speak to his skills as a programmer, as I worked with him for years,” one might say. But at Chrysler, that’s not how engineers used this phrase. “I can speak to that” just meant “I have words I can say about this topic.”

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“I can speak to the water pump’s performance. It looks like, according to the data, our flow rates are too high in our aluminum lines, leading to erosion concerns, but I’ll pull up this recovery slide and show you the root cause, plus we can do a small-circle after this and discuss low-hanging fruit to get us back on track.”

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So many engineers used the phrase “relative to” in the strangest way. They’d go on and on about something, and then say “relative to alternator performance” or “relative to the transfer case” — all at the very end of the sentence. For what seemed like an eternity you’d have zero clue what the hell they were talking about until that “relative to” dropped at the end, and you’d have to try to remember what the speaker had been blabbering on about for 30 seconds.

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“The art of the possible” was used to try to understand what solutions were at our disposal, “got my steps in” meant “dang this meeting was far away from my desk,” and “eye chart” meant some kind of chart or graph or page that was difficult to see. What a weird phrase, right? “Yikes, what’s that say there on the Y-axis? This thing’s a bit of an eye-chart.”

Anyway, before I conclude I’d like to mention a few more phrases I heard during my time engineering at Chrysler (the list above isn’t my latest and greatest; that one is sadly lost to time). One is “this is invention.” This, usually said in a negative manner, literally meant “nobody else is doing this. Why the hell are we gonna be the first?” (Yes, that says a lot about Chrysler’s overall philosophy, but we won’t get into that). There was also “10 pounds of sh*t in a five pound bag,” which referenced a tight packaging situation (like when we put the relatively complex new turbo four-cylinder into the JL engine bay). Plus there was “let’s take this offline,” which meant “we gotta stop talking about this now. Let’s deal with it later.”

Then there was “Does the customer care/Will the customer notice?”

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This one is my favorite because I remember being in dozens of meetings in which engineers would spend ages poring through data, trying to solve a problem, and in the end one person would quip: “What does this mean to the customer?”

And then the room will go silent, and everyone will realize they just wasted two hours.

God I love engineers.

h/t: Clay Johnson!

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ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
21 days ago

I like a few of those “big picture”, because a lot of people get lost in the details and can’t see it, “worst case scenario” as a manager always good to look at the worst thing that could happen if you made a change, “low hanging fruit” because I am lazy and a quick easy win is always good, and “the devil is in the details” because lots of ideas sound good when discussed generally, it break down when you actually try to do them. I was in policy and administration, so maybe a bit of a different world than engineering.

We worked with an software developer that must have paid bonuses based upon how many times they could say “circle back” in a meeting. If I never here it again it would be great. Also for some reason the “all I heard was crickets” was way to popular for a couple years there.

Scott Hunter
Scott Hunter
21 days ago

Sadly, these all look incredibly normal to me.
I’m brainwashed.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
20 days ago
Reply to  Scott Hunter

That’s because more of them are simple descriptions of what’s happening. Some are corporate BS, but the others are just…words or phrases which mean exactly what they say.

Totally not a robot
Totally not a robot
21 days ago

How many of these does David use now that he’s the corporate big cheese in charge of this joint?

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
21 days ago

He’s going to have to take that offline.

Lava5.0
Lava5.0
20 days ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

Lets circle back to this.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 days ago

SpaceX uses “unscheduled rapid disassembly” as a euphemism for their rockets going boom.

Back when I had time to play with RC model airplanes, the term “rekitted itself” was used when crashes resulted in the need for major repair work.

These are a little different than David’s examples, in that they attempt to bring a little levity to an otherwise dark situation. I think the stuff on David’s list tends to be spoken with a whole lot of misplaced earnestness.

Wilbur
Wilbur
20 days ago

The folks (managers) in engine development would use “thermal event” for when the oily rags someone left on top of an engine caught fire. Legal team would periodically tell them to stop because it sounds like you’re trying to cover something up.

I used to hear “moon project” as way to describe projects where they let us in engineering try something bigger and riskier. Now I’m starting to hear “blue sky” for the same thing and I hate it.

Freddy Bartholomew
Freddy Bartholomew
21 days ago

Enjoyed this article and recall quite a few of these being used during my 42-year work career. My experience working for Samsung R&D in Korea for three years showed me many behaviors that were much worse than just poor language. Of course, there were the problematic translations into English, but R&D was much more dysfunctional. We had one all-hands meeting in which the executive VP and head of R&D blamed our repeated failures to meet schedules on lax attitudes, excessive drinking (somewhat true), smoking, and poor attire.

From my perspective, the technology they acquired from the company where I had worked took between 3 and 4 years longer to be established in manufacturing (for encapsulating flexible OLED displays). Among the major problems were failure to use standard engineering practices, e.g., control charts, and to document their work prior to transfer to manufacturing.

Note: I worked for several large US corporations (H-P Labs and Xerox PARC) that had (even worse?) problems. When I interviewed (as a lark, I was too old for them) at Apple many years ago, I asked about R&D’s documentation and was told there was little, if any.

I agree with “Sam I am.” I am happy to be retired.

Freddy Bartholomew
Freddy Bartholomew
21 days ago

In my last job, I learned of an acronym, fubar – f**ked up beyond all repair. Does anyone else know of this term?

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 days ago

Stanley makes a demolition tool named a Fubar. It’s sort of a cross between a sledge hammer, pry bar and splitter, all in one.

Supposedly the acronym comes from the Vietnam War era, and the original phrase was “beyond all recognition”.

ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
21 days ago

Thank you, not the world’s biggest problem but I keep seeing “repair” instead of “recognition”. The original word works better if you are talking about a situation or process rather than a thing

Bob
Bob
21 days ago

In the original World War 2 soldier-ese it’s “…Beyond All Recognition.” Things are so screwed up that we can’t even tell what “good” was supposed to look like.

PajeroPilot
PajeroPilot
21 days ago

Oh, absolutely! I am an emergency department nurse. A step further than FUBAR is FUBAR BUNDY – “fucked up beyond all recognition, but unfortunately not dead yet”.

Another macabre one along the same lines is GFPO – “Good for parts only”.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 days ago
Reply to  PajeroPilot

Oddly enough, we’ve never heard either of these on a network TV medical show.

I’ve heard GOMER before (Get Outta My Emergency Room), but your two examples would definitely change the tone a bit.

ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
21 days ago
Reply to  PajeroPilot

Ouch!

Totally not a robot
Totally not a robot
21 days ago

FUBAR and SNAFU are basically standard lexicon at my office.

PajeroPilot
PajeroPilot
21 days ago

Also TARFUN – things are really fucked up now. Used by us every Friday and Saturday night!

Lava5.0
Lava5.0
20 days ago

Ohh yeah … I come across Fubar all the time though lately “dumpster fire” has been more common

Wilbur
Wilbur
20 days ago

In my experience the lack of R&D documentation has a lot to do with the “right sizing” that has moved 10+ member teams in to 4-6 member teams. Plus shifting from permanent employees to contractors.

Sam I am
Sam I am
21 days ago

Another reminder of how happy I am to be retired..

Dogpatch
Dogpatch
21 days ago

Y’all forgot bohica,bend over here it comes again.

Root
Root
21 days ago

I currently work in management consulting, so I fail to see any issue with this list of phrases. Properly deployed, these phrases can be quiet lucrative…

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
21 days ago

“Why were all the engineers working in gray cubicles while the designers and businesspeople were literally in their own, colorful, beautiful buildings?”
Because engineers don’t value the prettiness of their work space, so will put up with anything that keeps the weather out. Also no one important visits us, so it doesn’t affect anyone worth speaking of.

“Why did designers and businessfolks have better lunchrooms than engineers”
Because only engineers have lunch with engineers, so who would be impressed with better interior design?

“Why does everyone leave at exactly 4:30?”
I’m paid to work until leaving time, but if the thing I’m doing will take another half hour I’d rather finish it while I’m concentrating and just work a bit later. Leaving precisely on time is a sign of low morale. It should be a red flag to management, but if they ever notice they just demand you work unpaid overtime instead, which just makes the morale problem worse.

“Why are engineers not allowed to use tools without having getting union grievances filed against them?”
Union protectionism. I’m qualified to use tools, but my job role is normally engineering design. I’ll go fit parts to prototype engines/cars in a non-union environment, and I learn more as a result. Plus it’s more fun. Fitting parts you design makes your next design better. Stripping parts at end of test makes your next design better. Splitting these job roles up means more stupid shit gets in to production.

I also invite techs to design reviews, because they have experience that makes designs better.

“Why did so few employees actually love cars?”
This one is odd. The money isn’t great, and you’d expect enthusiasts would be willing to work harder for less, and care more about doing a good job. So car companies should be crammed full of cheap enthusiasts. But they aren’t. There are a lot of enthusiasts, but certainly not a majority.

Toecutter
Toecutter
21 days ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

This one is odd. The money isn’t great, and you’d expect enthusiasts would be willing to work harder for less, and care more about doing a good job. So car companies should be crammed full of cheap enthusiasts. But they aren’t. There are a lot of enthusiasts, but certainly not a majority.

I love cars and couldn’t get a car company to hire me.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
20 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

It took me six years after graduating, getting experience in other industries, before I got in as a sub-graduate junior engineer doing a specialty I hate.

I wonder if hiring managers deliberately avoid enthusiasts because they’re too much trouble. They care and they keep suggesting things that just lead to more work.

ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
21 days ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Car sales too, when I was young and starry eyed I imagined a world where car salesman would love cars, know about what they were selling, and enjoy matching customers with the right car…

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
20 days ago
Reply to  ProudLuddite

I know a guy who was in cars sales and loved cars, he really cared about helping people find the right car for them. It was impossible to hit any of his targets, and the stress was killing him so he had to leave after trying to make it work for nearly a decade.

It’s a job best suited to greedy bastards with no empathy. It’s terrible for the customers, but no one cares.

Ben Eldeson
Ben Eldeson
21 days ago

You weren’t in corporate-land very long then. Try doing it for a few decades. I have been at 9 different companies and every single one of them had their own acronyms for everything. And I had to learn the language of each new place I went.

JDS
JDS
21 days ago

I had a professor in grad school who drove us to prepare a dictionary for one of his classes. There wasn’t anything wrong with his English — his writing was better than most native English speakers. It was his accent. You see, the professor was from South Korea, but learned English when he was in college in Brazil.

So yeah, it wasn’t word choices, it was the accent of a native Korean man who learned to speak the Queen’s English in a place where the key language is Portuguese.

Brilliant man, actually, just hard to follow until you got to know him.

JDS
JDS
21 days ago

You missed my single biggest pet peeve in technical writing (or any other kind for that matter). The word “utilize.” I have yet to see a case where the word utilize can’t be replaced by the simpler “use” or any of its conjugations, except trivial cases like “The definition of ‘utilize’ is…” It’s a word used by people trying to look smarter than they are.

A number of junior engineers in my previous companies got early-career shocks when I reviewed their reports and sent back a few with comments like “Solid engineering work, but please re-write this report as if you’re explaining it to a six-year-old.”

It’s not that non-engineers are idiots, but to paraphrase Richard Feynman, if you can’t explain something to a six-year-old, you don’t really understand it.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
21 days ago

What’s the story of the picture of you with that early Tesla Model S

Toecutter
Toecutter
21 days ago
Reply to  David Tracy

They had a design whose efficiency was far ahead of the Tesla Model S, more than a decade before the Model S could be purchased. The 1999 Dodge Intrepid ESX2 had a 0.19 drag coefficient, less than the 0.25 of the first Model S, and with a smaller frontal area than the Model S.

Take the drive system of the Chrysler EPIC minivan(or better yet, the one from the Dodge Zeo concept), throw in the base 2010 Tesla Model S’s 40 kWh battery pack, and they could have had a not-much-above-Nissan-Leaf-priced RWD midsized sedan with a 200-250 mile highway range, back in 2010, as a replacement for the Intrepid.

Want an electric sports car? The M4S Turbo Interceptor from the 1980s would have been a great base. Forget that inefficient Dodge Zeo abomination they were bandying about back around 2010 which never got produced. Albeit, the drive system in the Zeo was a good demonstration, and would have been the perfect powertrain for the car in The Wraith. They could have had a sub-3,000 lb electric sports car on their hands, again using the Tesla Model S’s battery.

Elon Musk had more vision than Chrysler’s leadership. And Musk is not at all a high bar to beat. But that’s the state of things, moreso even now than it was back then…

The Chinese are coming. The US manufacturers done screwed up. They easily could have been in the lead, for decades in advance.

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Why bother? The bailouts will flow just like they always do.

Toecutter
Toecutter
20 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Maybe the tax revolts will finally come should that transpire.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
20 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

TooBusyToNotice
TooBusyToNotice
21 days ago

I worked for a company that designs electronics. I was a program manager about 38, 39 years old. I was lucky enough to sit right next to a handful of engineers that were just about to graduate college or had done so in the past 2 years. They found our lingo just as curious and kept a list, too. We had fun with it. I never found the fact that these terms were popular as a funny or notable thing (maybe because I came from the Army which has essentially their own language), but really interesting that you had the same perspective as the engineers I knew.

Marty Densch
Marty Densch
21 days ago

“To your point” is a favorite of Jen Stockburger of Consumer Reports. Whenever she is one of the panelists on “Talking Cars” you can be assured you will hear it at some point.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
21 days ago

All this time I thought David Tracy was Stacey David of Powerblock.

Comme çi, come alt
Comme çi, come alt
22 days ago

Gosh, David — I hope you weren’t seriously hurt by the burn you received from the thermal event generated when you rested your arm on that fully intact and (presumably) rust-free Model S.

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
22 days ago

You needed to make a bingo card to amuse yourself at meetings…

Did they circle around your point?
(Reminds me of the name of the high school in the tv show “Strangers with Candy”: Flatpoint High.)

Jeffrey Antman
Jeffrey Antman
22 days ago

As a disk drive engineer, schedules were not flexible. Customers specified a ship date for your component. If you missed the date by a day, you missed the contract. This date was the “drop dead date”. Disk drives don’t have a size, they have a “form factor.” Management was committed to save money, no matter how much it costs.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeffrey Antman

Management was committed to save money, no matter how much it costs.

Sounds like Roger Smith-era GM. Billions for a reorg, robots and anything else that promised to scale, combined with ruthless per-unit cost cutting that added up to the opposite of “put the money where the customer can see it.” Turns out they did care, and that was the era when millions of people stopped being GM customers.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
20 days ago
Reply to  Jeffrey Antman

You just pointed out the reasoning for why such terms are used:

‘Disk drives don’t have a size, they have a “form factor.”’

What do you mean by, “size?” Do you mean physical size, or the capacity? Using vague words rather standard terms describing a specific thing just leads to screwups.

Jeffrey Antman
Jeffrey Antman
5 days ago
Reply to  GirchyGirchy

Form factor means physical size and nothing else. Don’t screw it up.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
4 days ago
Reply to  Jeffrey Antman

That was my point. It reads as if you’re poking fun at the “ridiculous corporate terms” this entire article is about. I responded saying there’s a reason for said terms you point out.

Rod Knoll
Rod Knoll
22 days ago

Greetings…..was a penta star plant level automation geek & later an engineering liason in stamping. Many visits to the Tech Center & vendors to support changeovers & launches thru the yrs, worked with many good engineers over the yrs as well as a few fast trackers that had the lambs skin but were not value added contributors. A few managed to get kicked up & become speed bumps in future projects. My favorite tech speak at the plant was ‘thermal event’ because ‘fire’ wasn’t to be spoken over the radio for fear someone outside the plant monitoring would call in the local fire dept.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
22 days ago

Ford had a searchable database of “Ford Speak” that was the very first thing I put in my bookmarks bar on my first day at the company. The second thing was the people finder.

sentinelTk
sentinelTk
22 days ago

For the most part this is a list of common corporate phrases everywhere.

That and I’m also going to feel self conscious when I notice I’ve rattled off like 5 of these by noon Monday. Thanks for that, David….

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
21 days ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

So true. I was a middle manager at a software company for a while and I think they must have a special linguistics class for people seeking MBAs.

The phone support people had their own vernacular. My favorites:

It’s an ID ten T error… (ID10T)
PEBCAK… Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

David Smith
David Smith
20 days ago

PICNIC.. Problem In Chair Not In Computer

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
20 days ago
Reply to  David Smith

THAT would have been fun to have known back in the day.

Thank you!!

Harvey Parkour
Harvey Parkour
22 days ago

> How can we know if we have the right “alternator” if we don’t know what our electrical load is? Why was I doing this as a cooling system engineer, you might wonder? Because I realized nobody else at the company was doing it.

That explains a lot

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Harvey Parkour

All because some MBA dudebro making $10,000,000+/year didn’t want to pay a competent engineer $100,000/year to figure this out, for a vehicle that costs billions of dollars to put into mass production. Genius move there…

David Tracy is a national treasure.

Harvey Parkour
Harvey Parkour
22 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Toe! I hadn’t seen you for a long time around here and I was worried.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Harvey Parkour

I’ve been here. Not as much as in the past, mainly due to 12 hour workdays without a break.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago

I wish the Rootwyrm were around to offer his input on this. But apparently, my own unique brand of idiocy and straight-up clowning drove him away, which is a shame, because I never intended him any ill will or upset with anything I said or did.

JugdishVandelay
JugdishVandelay
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

the comment section was 100% more interesting with rootwyrm. some members took it too seriously while most of us just enjoyed the content

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
21 days ago

Rootwyrm was needlessly abrasive and I personally caught him acting like an expert on some things that I knew he was completely wrong about.

Sometimes what he said was interesting and other times it was “interesting”.

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Toecutter
Toecutter
21 days ago

Everyone is wrong about something from time to time. On the whole, it is undeniable that this man knew a lot of things and IMO this site is diminished without his presence. I hope he is well, whatever he’s doing.

I know I’ve been abrasive before. Not due to any effort on my part, but because I don’t think in the same manner as most people and don’t have much of a filter.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I know I’ve been abrasive before”

Sure… as have I. But Rootwyrm was abrasive on a whole other level far too often.

Bassracerx
Bassracerx
22 days ago

David this needs to be an actual book “the language of engineering” “the love language of engineering??” something like that.. i think it would sell well!

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
22 days ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

This is not engineering speak. This is corporate bullshit speak.

Toecutter
Toecutter
22 days ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Probably why I never worked my way up in the corporations I was employed by. I tended to take statements literally at first, then had to “read between the lines” to figure out the unsaid meaning. More confirmation that the English language, especially the American vernacular, is loaded with bullshit. Ebonics, Spanglish, and other forms of U.S. creole make far more sense.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Could be true. There was a fellow engineer who talked like that (still does) and made me want to puke every time he opened his mouth (still does). He left the engineering ranks a long time ago and is now in middle management. Manager of project managers, in fact. Total douchebag, but he played the game. I, on the other hand, could never play that game, am still an engineer, and have turned down management opportunties on multiple occasions.

Last edited 21 days ago by Rad Barchetta
Toecutter
Toecutter
21 days ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I’m simply not management material. I often have the highest metrics out of hundreds of people, but still never get promoted.

It sucks not being born rich!

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Me neither. Sometimes not being “promoted” is for the best.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
21 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I’ve been a middle manager three times, and it sucked all three times. You try to get people “below” you to do things the way you want them to do them and shelter them from the stupid stuff coming from “above.”

I realized the first time that unless you own the company, everyone in the managerial org chart is a middle manager. It’s even worse in a publicly traded company.

It was disgusting to see salespeople leave tons of money on the table just to hit a quarterly number.

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