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Why Automakers Like Toyota Have To Unlearn How To Make Cars

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Toyota’s founder, Sakichi Toyoda, started his company not by building cars but by building a better loom. Specifically, he built a loom that could sense when the fabric broke so the workers could stop production until someone fixed the problem. This concept is built into the fabric of Toyota’s successful car production and has been copied by the rest of the industry. Is it also why Toyota hasn’t built a good EV yet?

I try to mix up the sources in The Morning Dump because I like to give a broad view of the industry, but today I’m going to start with two Bloomberg pieces I think are nicely complimentary. One is a Bloomberg Businessweek feature on Toyota’s challenges in trying to build an EV. The other one focuses on Volkswagen’s similar troubles.

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Where the two companies differ is in North America. Toyota’s problem is usually not having enough cars to meet demand and Volkswagen usually has the opposite problem. Both will be susceptible to credit availability for consumers, though, as mixed data means we’re probably in for more uncertainty as the year starts.

Tesla is an established automaker at this point, even if its processes differ from its competition. Another way that Tesla is different is its CEO, who manages to get in the news more often for things having nothing to do with his car company. This week it’s a last-minute SEC lawsuit alleging that Musk was underhanded in trying to purchase Twitter.

‘You Cannot Kaizen Yourself From An ICE Vehicle To A BEV’

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Source: Toyota

The quote above is from former GM Exec Terry Woychowski, whose current job is working for a Munro-like company called Caresoft. The company buys vehicles, takes them apart in an old Japanese junior high school, and gives advice to automakers on how to improve systems and parts.

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It’s part of this big Bloomberg Businessweek feature you should read, but I’m going to excerpt a little section here that I thought was important:

[C]onsider one component: Toyota part #55330-42410, a 20-pound steel bar, known by engineers as a cross-car beam. The beam holds the steering wheel and dashboard instruments in place and helps protect the cabin during a collision.

This part is inside the bZ4X, the Toyota brand’s only global, mass-market fully electric car, because it’s of a tried-and-true design used in countless other models. Today’s standard cross-car beam is the product of incremental improvements made across decades, and most versions of it have wound up under the hoods of internal combustion cars. This is a testament to the Toyota Production System, which continuously refines even the tiniest details of individual auto parts. Over untold iterations, the beam has been designed to keep the vibrations of an internal combustion engine from making their way to the passengers.

But electric motors don’t vibrate, and steel is heavy. These are among the reasons why Tesla Inc. and BYD Co., the top makers of battery-electric vehicles, manufacture similar beams out of plastic. Theirs weigh only about 14 pounds, according to Caresoft, and they’re cheaper and easier to install, too.

It seems obvious, and it is, but the company’s Toyota Production System philosophy is baked into that one part. Here’s how Toyota describes kaizen:

The English translation is, broadly speaking, continuous improvement. ‘Kai’ means ‘change’ and ‘zen’ means ‘for the better’. It is a philosophy that helps to ensure maximum quality, the elimination of waste, and improvements in efficiency, both in terms of equipment and work procedures.

Within the Toyota Production System, Kaizen humanises the workplace, empowering individual members to identify areas for improvement and suggest practical solutions.

This way of doing things, industrially, has been mimicked and adopted by almost every other automaker and plenty of non-automakers. It’s not exactly “lean manufacturing” but shares many of the same principles. There was a time when Japanese production efficiency scared Western automakers. Now it’s China and Tesla’s turn to advance industrial thinking.

Building an electric car is not like building any other car. Lucid’s CEO Peter Rawlinson, who also helped develop the Tesla Model S, has made this point many times. It requires a complete rethink because there are a lot of systems you need for gas-powered cars you don’t need for EVs, and vice-versa. Additionally, Toyota and other automakers rely heavily on suppliers for many common parts, but that means losing some of the secret sauce.

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Here’s a clip above from the Fully Charged podcast, where Ford CEO Jim Farley talks about how there are 150 modules and semiconductors in one car with software written in different languages because it’s been bid out to different suppliers.

“The problem is the software is all written by 150 different companies and they don’t talk to each other. Even though it says Ford on the front, I actually have to go to Bosch to get permission to change the seat control software,” Farley explains. Even worse, none of this is Ford’s intellectual property.

Ford, for its part, has seen the writing on the wall and scrapped most of its next-gen EV products and focused on a skunkworks project in California that isn’t beholden to Ford’s old ways of thinking. Toyota? Not quite. The company’s BZ4X is a mediocre product and it’s not clear Toyota is going to dramatically change how it builds cars. It’s hard to argue with Toyota because, thus far, its reticence to invest in EVs has made it enormously profitable.

This isn’t to say that EV automakers have it all figured out, as they’ve had to learn how to make cars, often the hard way. Rivian made a simple mistake in ordering a single part and it set production significantly in 2024. Tesla customers have long complained about paint issues with the company’s cars (there’s even a Facebook group dedicated to this).

The question, as stated above, is whether or not iterative production can help you make a better electric car.

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Volkswagen Will Have No New EVs This Year

Idbuzz 10Oof. That’s the only way to put it. Oof. Trying to build production electric cars has been difficult for Volkswagen, with issues ranging from software woes to the door handles on the ID.4. Because of this, the Volkswagen brand itself will have no new electric car models this year anywhere in the world.

The affordable ID.2all for Europe isn’t coming out until 2026, and the company’s key VW-Xpeng SUV for China is also not scheduled to go on sale until next year. The new Scouts, in the United States, aren’t coming to 2027. We did get the ID. Buzz, which technically went on sale last year, but is basically new this year. Also, see Jason’s ID.Buzz review for a better understanding of why that’s not likely to save the company.

Here’s the money quote from a Bloomberg story on VW’s issues:

“For the next year or so, VW is forced to sell old technology to new customers,” said Matthias Schmidt, an automotive analyst based near Hamburg. “That’s going to be difficult.”

Damn, Michael Kors, that’s harsh.

It’s a weird situation for Volkswagen to be in, because it needs to sell more electric cars and, yet, its current electric cars aren’t that great or that popular. Here’s another harsh-yet-true analyst quote:

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“The main issue with VW is the product,” said Stephen Reitman, an analyst at Bernstein. “They have this production capacity for battery-electric vehicles that people aren’t buying.”

Volkswagen still sells a bunch of profitable cars, so it’s likely better the company takes a beat to align product with demand than it is to try and suddenly force a bunch of ID.4s and ID.7s on customers.

Credit Is Looser, But The Future Is Mixed

Dealertrack December 2024

Viewed merely from the perspective of automakers, it would be excellent if we were in a zero-interest rate environment. Having low interest rates and a supply shortage during the pandemic meant that automakers could sell cars for high prices and help customers afford them by giving them somewhat artificially low car payments (over long terms).

Now, there are plenty of cars in production, but credit availability became a lot tougher as governments raised rates in response to inflation. This credit-tightening from 2023 into 2024, it’s widely assumed, caused people to delay buying cars.

According to Cox Automotive’s/Dealertrack Credit Availability Index, credit was more available in December, with the All-Loans Index hitting 95.5, which is the best credit access since March 2023. What’s driving this change?

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Approval rates are up, which makes sense now that yield spreads narrowed. Overall, auto loan rates have dropped by 175 basis points since March of this year. Loan terms are also improving, slightly, with 72-month loans becoming less popular/necessary. The number of loans that came in with negative equity dropped by 120 basis points, but were still up year-over-year (the same with subprime loans).

What should we make of this? Here’s what Cox says:

The December Dealertrack Credit Availability Index illustrates mixed results in credit access for auto loans. Consumers benefited significantly from tightening yield spread, higher approval rates and more favorable loan rates, which played critical roles in pushing the index slightly upward. Meanwhile, the persistence of certain tightening factors – like shorter loan terms, higher down payments, and a reduced share of subprime loans – was not enough to reverse the loosening trend.

For consumers, this means better borrowing conditions and easier access to auto financing, particularly when purchasing used vehicles from franchised dealers. Lenders are also navigating a mixed environment as credit demand intersects with loosening policies for credit unions and auto-focused finance companies but tightening at banks and captives.

It’s assumed that more cuts are coming from the Fed, though the economy remains stubbornly hot, with employment strong. The Fed wants to get to the semi-mythical “neutral rate” that keeps people employed and inflation stable. It doesn’t feel like we’re there yet.

The SEC Claims In Lawsuit That Elon Musk Acquired Twitter In Underhanded Fashion

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Screenshot: CNN

The Federal Government is basically in garbage time, with the Republicans having prevailed and various departments looking at President Trump and Elon Musk’s incoming DOGE commission and trying to do as much as possible before Monday.

That includes a lawsuit from the Securities and Exchange Commission against Elon Musk. Here’s how CNBC explains it:

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Musk, who is also CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, purchased Twitter for $44 billion in late 2022 and changed the name to X the following year. Prior to the acquisition, he’d built up a position in the company of greater than 5%, which would’ve required disclosing his holdings to the public within 10 calendar days of reaching that threshold.

According to the SEC’s civil complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., Musk was more than 10 days late in reporting that material information, “allowing him to underpay by at least $150 million for shares he purchased after his financial beneficial ownership report was due.” Investors may have bid up the stock had they known about Musk’s purchases and interest in the company.

This is a strange one. As soon as Musk disclosed his purchase of Twitter the stock did go up 27%, as the SEC points out. The government claims that delaying his filing by 11 days while he accrued stock in the underperforming company allowed him to underpay shareholders by $150 million.

Musk himself has called this “lawfare” and his lawyer calls it “ticky tack.” It’s been a few years, but I don’t think it was a secret that Musk wanted to buy Twitter (now X) at the time. I remember him frequently threatening to do so in order to free the company from what he considered political influence and an overwhelming preponderance of bots. Glad he fixed all that…

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I hope to keep writing The Morning Dump for many moons, so I’ve selected “What They Do” from The Roots because “Illadelph Halflife” is probably where you should enter The Roots if you haven’t listened to them before. It’s not my favorite album, that would be “Things Fall Apart.” It’s not the one I’ve listened to the most, which is probably “Phrenology.” It’s the classic, though, and it doesn’t make sense if you don’t start with this album. Later, when I have time, I have a story about The Roots that involves organic vodka and a lot of fresh fruit. Remind me to tell you about it sometime.

The Big Question

Which traditional automaker will end up being the biggest maker of electric cars in 10 years?

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Kerry VanEtten
Kerry VanEtten
1 month ago

“The beam holds the steering wheel and dashboard instruments in place and helps protect the cabin during a collision.”

I’ll keep the steel beam in my bX4X, thanks.

Shinynugget
Shinynugget
1 month ago

No first car in a new segment is meant to be the final iteration of that product.
The T100 was vastly different than the Tundra that succeeded it.
The first Tesla Roadster shares almost nothing with the Model S that launched Tesla into a household brand for EVs.
Toyota will be fine. The BZ4X is not their final attempt.

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago

The big question: my money is on Hyundai. They’re making a lot already, and they’re less beholden to older products and processes than VAG or the Detroit manufacturers.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago

I agree. The Kia/Hyundai group is KILLING it in the EV space. Which is good, cause their ICE engines keep killing themselves. For some reason, once they go below 6 cylinders, they can’t seem to keep rods and/or their bearings inside the crankcase.

Olesam
Olesam
1 month ago

They develop their engines in a rather humid region, who’d think the drier US climates might cause some extra knock / pre-ignition problems

Last edited 1 month ago by Olesam
TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Olesam

Pretty damn humid here in Ontario, Canada. Most Kia/Hyundai dealerships are still changing 7+ engines a week.

Bassracerx
Bassracerx
1 month ago

ok ” now hear me out.” Mitsubishi could be poised to dominate the EV market as soon as EV cars are actually profitable. they have a market cap of 9.99 TRILLION dollars today. they are such a huge manufacturing firm that they could just print millions of cars globally every year if there was actually a market for it.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

Not quite.

Mitsubishi Motors only has a market cap of $4Bn (688 Bn Yen)
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has a market cap of $44.5Bn (7.1 Trillion Yen)
Mitsubishi Corp has a market cap of $63.9Bn (10.1Tn Yen)

Yen has never traded in parity to the USD.

Only 10 companies have ever had a market cap of 1 Trillion Dollars –
Apple (AAPL)Microsoft (MSFT)Nvidia (NVDA)Alphabet (GOOGL) (GOOG)Amazon (AMZN)Meta Platforms (META )Tesla (TSLA )Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A ) (BRK.B )Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM)Saudi Aramco (not traded on U.S. exchanges)
https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/30/10-companies-trillion-dollar-market-cap-1-buy-now/#:~:text=Not%20accounting%20for%20inflationary%20changes,Apple%20(AAPL%20%2D2.41%25)

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Bassracerx
Bassracerx
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

well fuck me did not realize the figure was in yen and not dollars. I still stand by my answer. Mitsubishi is like the GE of japan they can manufacture anything.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

Except the market cap of Mitsubishi Motors is a small fraction of that of – say – Toyota Motor Corp which has a market cap of $228 Bn.

So while Mitsubishi Motors could potentially develop one EV – Toyota has the theoretical (No company can write checks or get loans based on 100% market capitalization – because those holdings are owned by many other people) wealth to develop 50.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
The Dude
The Dude
1 month ago

In 10 years? Probably gm. In 20 years? Toyota.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
1 month ago

‘You Cannot Kaizen Yourself From An ICE Vehicle To A BEV’

This is exactly why Dodge is making a huge mistake with the Electric Charger. You either build a pure EV or you build a compromise.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago

“The problem is the software is all written by 150 different companies and they don’t talk to each other. Even though it says Ford on the front, I actually have to go to Bosch to get permission to change the seat control software,” Farley explains. Even worse, none of this is Ford’s intellectual property.”

No wonder Ford, GM, etc. have such issues with getting their touchscreen controls to work smoothly.

“As soon as Musk disclosed his purchase of Twitter the stock did go up 27%, as the SEC points out. The government claims that delaying his filing by 11 days while he accrued stock in the underperforming company allowed him to underpay shareholders by $150 million.”

Apparently you can’t win anymore if you don’t cheat.
(Unless you’re accusing that other person of cheating)

Jb996
Jb996
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I mean not to get political, but our government is about to be overrun with Cheats and Liers.

At this point, “rich” == Scammed many people successfully, and can now afford enough lawyers to avoid consequences.

Xx Yy Zz
Xx Yy Zz
1 month ago

I don’t know if Toyota makes any profit on the base bZ4X, and this would be important whe it gets judged, but is it really bad? It has the range of other EVs’ with a smaller battery (like the entry level ID4, or the Kona/Niro EVs, or I don’t now if a SR Model Y, an Ariya with a 65 kWh battery, or the Ioniq5/EV6 duo with a smaller pack exist in the US), now the price and the the charging speed is there too.
There’s two things that I could bring up against it:
a bigger battery isn’t available,you can’t DC-fastcharge it multiple times a day.
And while VW gets always told how no one wants their EVs, other than Teslas, the only non-chinese models in the top 20 of the world-wide EV and PHEV sales chart for 2024 jan.-nov. are the ID3 and the ID4…

Last edited 1 month ago by Xx Yy Zz
Boxing Pistons
Boxing Pistons
1 month ago

Kaizen is a key component of Lean manufacturing. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Also – Toyota Production System isn’t the problem. Nothing in it runs counter to building innovative products. If you have a decent starting point design-wise, their system of continuous improvement will only make it better. Clearly, a total rethink is in order when shifting to EV design. All this said, I would not bet against Toyota. When they do get truly serious about EVs, they will be very competitive.

1franky
1franky
1 month ago
Reply to  Boxing Pistons

Yeah it feels like Toyota is sitting back and letting competitors make mistakes for them, until they have a good grasp of where the market and technology is going

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

Detroit doesn’t have to unlearn how to make cars because they never learned in the first place LOL

Toyota taught GM everything, but they learned NOTHING.

Boxing Pistons
Boxing Pistons
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

That’s what is funny about Lean. It’s not rocket science. It’s no secret. It just requires real discipline. That’s why Toyota was not afraid to teach others their system. Most do not have the discipline to be truly successful with it. Darn near every company I’ve worked for in the US did it half-assed and got very little out of it as a result.

Jeffrey Antman
Jeffrey Antman
1 month ago
Reply to  Boxing Pistons

I agree discipline is the main reason American companies suck at manufacturing. They don’t bother to fully define design requirements, they don’t want to do design and process development to demonstrate capable designs and processes, they don’t want to train people to execute the processes correctly or make tough decisions when things go wrong. They pretend to do all of it. They don’t really want to manufacture, would prefer to just turn it over to someone else to do that ugly stuff. They just want to sell stuff and make money.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 month ago

I try to mix up the sources in The Morning Dump because I like to give a broad view of the industry, but today I’m going to start with two Bloomberg pieces I think are nicely complimentary. One is a Bloomberg Businessweek feature on Toyota’s challenges in trying to build an EV. The other one focuses on Volkswagen’s similar troubles.

In what way are they “complimentary”? Are they free (Bloomberg is behind a paywall) ?Are they saying nice things?
Or, are you confusing this word with “complementary”?
For now I will assume it’s a typo and not think you are a doofus for not knowing the difference, but that would require the word be changed as soon as you are informed of it.

Last edited 1 month ago by Joke #119!
Saul Goodman
Saul Goodman
1 month ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Yeah I have a free account with Bloomberg, but I remember there was another link in different a morning dump to a publication where you had to pay to view the article that was linked. I’d really wish that Matt would try using only free, easy to access (no account) links or embed images of what he is referencing.

Dumb Shadetree
Dumb Shadetree
1 month ago

My Dad’s early 90’s Camry wagon had the cruise controls on a tiny stalk built into the right-hand side of the steering wheel. So does my 2009 hatchback. So do all 2nd and 3rd-gen Prius’s. It’s the exact same part; it’s only recently that Toyota changed those. See, this is part of how they’re able to affordably offer the reliability they do. Toyota goes to a supplier and says “Hi, I’d like 30 million of this part. We’re willing to pay for quality but we want a bulk discount.”

As they build more EV’s, I’m sure that Toyota will end up with EV-specific parts. But it makes sense they would dig into their existing parts bin and existing CAD files when starting to design EV’s. They’ll slowly swap parts and optimize the design via mid-cycle refreshes and future designs.

This isn’t an example of Toyota needing to unlearn what they know. This is an example of Toyota leveraging what they know while limiting how many new things they try at once.

I’ve heard the press claim Toyota is doomed before — most recently, when they dragged their feed on direct injected engines. It’s just a slow company that wants to prove out their new designs.

S gerb
S gerb
1 month ago
Reply to  Dumb Shadetree

What seems to be missed in the comment frenzy is that most traditional automakers do not get free money to burn like Tesla did, either from irrational investors or giant government subsidies of various kinds.

If you can dump a freight ship worth of cash at every problem and sell cars at a loss for decades every manufacturer could just design a new EV from the ground up and build new manufacturing plants to do so.

Ben
Ben
1 month ago

Toyota has basically always been slow to jump on new trends. They’ve (correctly) slow-played EVs and now the whole market is shifting toward the thing they’ve been focused on: hybrids and PHEVs. It’s entirely possible they don’t want to sell a lot of EVs because their battery resources are better spent on hybrids.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben

IMHO – the best use of 300 miles of batteries is *10* 30-mile range PHEVs. They just make WAY more sense. If I have to drag around something heavy and expensive that I don’t actually need all the time, I’d rather it be an ICE than an extra 270 miles of batteries.

Ben
Ben
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I believe Toyota has said the same thing, and I tend to agree with them. Both oil and battery materials are limited resources so making the best use of them is important.

Henrik Hieta
Henrik Hieta
1 month ago

Renault.

TXJeepGuy
TXJeepGuy
1 month ago

I think I’d rather a cross car beam be made out of heavy steel for crash purposes as well as longevity over plastic.

EVDesigner
EVDesigner
1 month ago
Reply to  TXJeepGuy

Fortunately the dashboard isn’t a safety critical component that has to be steel. Seriously there is no reason to make it out of steel especially when you can get plastic to do the same job while weighing less. Wasn’t everyone complaining that EVs weigh too much about 2 weeks ago, and now people are apparently complaining that any attempts to lightweight EVs is bad? Lamborghini uses carbon composites for their front crash structure but I don’t see anyone complaining about that.

Last edited 1 month ago by EVDesigner
Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  EVDesigner

Except that cross beam IS safety-critical in a side impact. That it happens to also hold up the instrument panel is a happy accident.

You will note that Chinese cars are not exactly world-renowned for their stellar crash safety. I’ll take the extra 6lbs, thanks.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Except it’s not when the battery pack and remaining body structure provide all the structural rigidity you need in a side impact.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I’ll take more, thanks, in a world populated by idiots driving 7-10klb trucks as personal vehicles. Just like the steel I-beam that contains the cargo cover and net in my Mercedes wagon. It’s removable if you need to, but it adds *significant* additional structural strength, and Mercedes recommends keeping it in place as much as possible.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Ooooh – That’s interesting!
Which wagon – W212, W213?

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

W212 (technically S212 for the wagon), a 2014 E350 4matic. The ’04 Volvo V70 it replaced had the same idea though.

That sucker is HEAVY, having just had it out to bring a pair of boxed new toilets home from Lowe’s for Mom yesterday. 125lbs each, load leveling rear suspension for the win! My back still hurts though.

MazdaDemio
MazdaDemio
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Newer Chinese cars are now top performers in terms of crash safety, as shown by Euro NCAP 2024 tests.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/

Check out the Leapmotor C10 and Zeekr X, plus regular suspects like Nio. Then compare vs their european competition.

EVDesigner
EVDesigner
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I’m not going to reveal too much, but I hope my username tells you enough.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 month ago
Reply to  TXJeepGuy

As a connoisseur of 20 year old beaters, I can agree. Plastic parts deteriorate in strength over the decades. Steel corrodes on the underbody, but in this location I doubt that’s an issue.

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