Neighborhood delivery vans should be electric. This makes an extreme amount of sense. They travel short, often prescribed routes in relatively compact areas. They also idle a lot. GM’s decision to make a van offshoot of its electric Ultium platform also made a ton of sense. They called it BrightDrop and now BrightDrop is gone. Does this make sense?
This Friday’s installment of The Morning Dump is going to ask a lot of questions. For instance: Does the new Lexus design language make sense? For as conservative as Toyota has been lately, Lexus has been far more willing to experiment with its aesthetic. The luxury brand is on the verge of a new revolution in its design and Lexus is asking itself if they’ve gone too far.
Has Uber gone too far? The brand thinks it’s figured out a way to further penetrate the South Korean market in spite of being an underdog. And speaking of underdogs, is the International Scout the underdog of vintage SUVs?
Enough questions. Let’s get some answers.
BrightDrops Will Just Be Chevys, Which Is What They Should Have Been All Along
In the initial mania over electrification, there was a sense that this was something new and therefore everything needed to feel different. In retrospect, this was a fundamental misunderstanding of what had made Tesla so successful. Yes, the cars were new, but every Tesla still felt recognizably like a car.
As I mentioned earlier this week, this zeal for novelty led automakers like Mercedes to invent whole subbrands they’re quickly trying to unwind. For the most part, GM has been one of the better automakers when it comes to naming electrified vehicles. The one exception might be BrightDrop, the Ultium-based open-door delivery vans.
When Rivian made its vans for Amazon, they just called them the Rivian Commercial Van. The Ford electric van is the Ford E-Transit. The Mercedes electrified van is just the eSprinter. The benefit of having your electric cargo van underneath your main brand is that you can sell it alongside your other fleet vehicles to your existing fleet customers.
BrightDrop was its own separate thing, making vans we found to be quite good when we reviewed them. There was some logic behind the initial BrightDrop project being separate as GM has a bad habit of squashing things that are too innovative. This was alluded to in a press release when BrightDrop was transitioned into GM last year:
BrightDrop was born in GM’s Innovation Lab and spent the last three years as a wholly owned subsidiary. That structure allowed BrightDrop to operate with the agility and innovation of a tech startup and benefit from GM’s deep manufacturing expertise.
Once GM absorbed BrightDrop it became less clear why it needed to be its own brand given that GM already has a robust fleet business. This is the same conclusion that GM has also finally come to, as announced this morning:
Adding BrightDrop’s electric vans to the expanding Chevrolet EV portfolio will give BrightDrop customers access to one of the industry’s largest and most extensive commercial sales and service networks and enhances brand growth opportunities.
All Chevrolet dealers will have the opportunity to sell BrightDrop vans if they meet certain commercial EV requirements. Once certified, participating Chevrolet dealerships can service BrightDrop products, helping to optimize uptime for commercial fleet operators.
“With the addition of BrightDrop to the Chevrolet lineup, we are combining advanced EV technology with the dependability and widespread accessibility that only Chevrolet can offer,” said Scott Bell, vice president, Chevrolet. “This move strengthens our EV offerings and reaffirms our role as a leading commercial brand that enables businesses large and small to get work done.”
I also think the van looks dope with a Chevy badge. I just wish we had a passenger version.
Toyota Designer: Are We ‘Going To Be Ok’?
Business is tricky. One of the biggest challenges is somehow being confident enough in what you’re doing to keep moving forward while, also, being humble enough to ask the difficult questions about where you’re going.
Sometimes being successful means having the right product, but just as often I think it’s seeing the problem and having the right team and right mindset to address it. Lexus shocked everyone a few years ago when it moved away from its staid Japanese design and embraced a more radical aesthetic, defined by increasingly protruding spindle grilles.
Lexus has been extremely successful since doing so, which means perhaps it was the right decision.
Now Lexus is looking to take on Tesla and everyone else with an electric Lexus, but is the design going to be too much?
Hasn Griemel sat down with Toyota design chief Simon Humphries to talk about this specific question and it’s a good interview. Here are a couple of highlights:
“It’s important to think, ‘Is that going to be OK? Is that too far?’ ” said Humphries, who also serves as Toyota Motor Corp.’s chief branding officer. “Challenging is the right thing to do.”
And:
Humphries, a 2023 Automotive News All-Star honoree for his achievements in design, said the departure is as dramatic as the 2011 introduction of the spindle grille. Though initially panned by some as an ugly mug, the grille became a successful, defining brand feature, he said.
“We wanted to give Lexus character,” Humphries said. “Even on some of the vehicles where we put that on a minor change, the sales almost doubled. So there are a lot of people out there who actually were very like-minded about that sort of thing. They wanted a more expressive car.”
If breaking things works, keep breaking things I guess.
Uber Is Growing In South Korea
In many places in the United States, Uber drivers can only operate if they have a taxi license. In New York, for instance, this is the case. However, if you’re getting a ride from a county outside of the city you might not need a livery license to operate.
South Korea requires all drivers to have some form of taxi license, which is why Uber left the country a few years ago, leaving local ride-app Kakao to suck up a lot of the business.
Uber didn’t give up and is now back again, this time joining up with Korean conglomerate SK Group to create Uber Taxi.
Khosrowshahi said about 20% of South Korean taxi drivers were on the Uber Taxi platform, and that the number of passengers grew nearly 80% year-on-year during the first half of 2024, including a more than doubling of the usage by international travellers to South Korea since the rebranding.
If at first you don’t succeed…
The Autopian In The Los Angeles Times (And Also Tim Walz)
Our pal Daniel Miller over at the LA Times has a new article out on Tim Walz and his International Scout II and it quotes a familiar source:
Walz appears to have a genuine passion for cars, but he also seems to possess a finely calibrated understanding of how his actions may play with voters, said Matt Hardigree, publisher of the Autopian, which has written about the politician.
Just take the governor’s social media posts featuring his Scout and another Scout — his dog. That, Hardigree said, “is an unhateable image.”
“It is Norman Rockwell transported 50 years into the future,” he said.
As my buddy pointed out, there’s a real Betteridge’s Law at play in the LAT headline. Would any reasonable person change their vote because the VP candidate likes cool cars? I’m guessing the answer is: No.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
The song “Beetlebum” by Blur is, quite famously, about singer Damon Albarn doing heroin with his then-girlfriend and Elastica frontwoman Justine Frischmann. Heroin sounds terrible and I’m generally against it, though Albarn does have a way of making it sound just a little sexy amid all the awfulness.
The Big Question
What are your Labor Day plans?
Planning on a bike ride tomorrow morning. I honestly haven’t looked for any car events this weekend to take the GTO to, but I will get it out for a drive.
I’m not sure why GM would put a Chevy badge on a van that was clearly designed for commercial use. If only they had a brand that was intended for commercial use. I think GM needs reminding that GMC stands for General Motors Commercial.
Labor Day Weekend Plans:
Wine tasting Saturday, starting at 10AM! Near where David Tracy and his blurry-faced gf (hey, look at the pictures!) were in their crap EV Lexus. The PHEV Lexus RX450h of the same size is the way to go. Can make that trip three times and not need to fill up on gas, which is ubiquitous and the prices are required to be shown publicly.
Sunday: drive home, maybe after another wine tasting.
Monday: concert in the park. 80’s cover band. Free, and you can drink alcohol in the park!
I never quite understood selling basically the same commercial vehicles under both the Chevy and GM brands. I guess it’s a dealer franchise thing, but it really seems like a waste of resources. Brand commercial as GM and the rest as Chevy.
That van looks awesome. Can’t wait till someone turns one into a camper. That Lexus also looks awesome. Saturns looked awesome too but GM decided to squash it when it was getting good.
Now I’m sad that there isn’t a 2025 Saturn Sky.
Why GM’s Move To Kill Its Standalone Electric Van Brand Makes Perfect Sense
No! I want more brands! I want minicars built in India! I want diesel trucks built in Madagascar! I want Dutch supercars!
Brands, Brands, Brands! The more ridiculous the variety the better. It’s fun to be an enthusiast.
Vinfast would like a word…
That’s why FH5 exists… no wait that game has new paid DLC every month that are not included in the most expensive package where you’re supposed to get all of it when it comes out. Yeah, never mind, don’t get it.
I’m sure Lexus has their own fine market research, but from my sample of old people at church it appears one currently buys a Lexus in spite of its looks, not because of them.
These are all the bread and butter “new car every 4-5 years” crowd that are on their 4th or 5th Lexus, so the brand identity is strong. If you want to hear someone wax philosophic about the original ES, these are your people.
As far as labor day plans, I have some ribs in the freezer and a smoker, so that’s a strong possibility.
I’m a big fan of both the Brightdrop and Rivian/Amazon electric vans, and if it’s ever possible for me to snag a running used one cheap, I will do so w/o hesitation. I kinda liked the ‘Brightdrop’ moniker, but yes, just calling it a Chevy probably makes more sense from a marketing POV.
I read elsewhere they will be called Chevrolet BrightDrop 400 and 600.
Labor day weekend plans: doing some turning over the weekend, catching up on some work from home, having some friends over for a low-key cookout
Toyota – I’m not feeling any of their current designs, tbh
The front end of the Prius looks awesome but the butt end is uh… uhhhhhhh.
On the car side of things: oil change on the minivan, and moving the Austin Healey from barn to shop to start a carpet install with my son.
On the household side of things, blah, blah, blah…
On the fun side of things: drink beer!
No tv and no beer make “Frank” go something something.
Go crazy?
Don’t mind if I do!
I think absorbing BrightDrop into Chevy makes sense to me for one big reason: the name.
I think if you asked people where they think an electric commercial van named BrightDrop is produced, most of them would say, based only on the name, that it’s made in China. Given the current industrial rivalry between our countries, I could see that as a negative.
Well, my sciatica has eased a bit from OMG: I can’t freakin move! to mostly bearable, so I should be ok to take the Roadster north for tomorrow’s sunrise, then random bits of backroad Americana. Time to plot this year’s leaf-watching route.
Working on my GT6:
Watching Indycar
Drinking beer
Not necessarily in that order. Some may occur simultaneously
Well good question. I am going to be looking for a non trashed Miata before am too old to get in and out without help.
Any advice on years to buy would be most helpful. Read the article new vs old Miata, still undecided.
There is no bad year. Try all four gens, see what you like best.
Good point.
Unfortunately it’s really hard to find any older editions for sale within 100 miles.
But thinking the earlier models look so much better than the redesign.
It really depends on what you’re wanting out of it. If you want a modern car with all the bells and whistles that entails, get an ND (2015-current). If you want something cheaper and simpler, that might become something of a project, go with the NA (1989-1997) (If you must have the pop-ups) or NB (1998-2005). The NC (2006-20014) Is generally regarded as a lesser choice, but is also a fine car, and falls somewhere in the middle.
Thanks! Looking at one listed fairly nearby.
Bright red. 1 owner. 72K miles. 17K…Holy crap!
At a dealer, used car independent, so may be some wiggle room on the price.
Life has become boring, maybe this would be a good thing?
Yeah, that’s a dealer in search of a sucker. Wouldn’t hurt to go try it out, but that’s ridiculous. Got my wife’s 2017 for less than that. At Carmax. During the pandemic. NAs aren’t rare. There’ll be another on just as good or better tomorrow.
Thank you so much for the take here.
Gonna expand my search area, but keep tight on the wallet til something way sweet shows itself hopefully.
I’m a little jealous since I can’t fit in a Miata. But I have a few friends that are enthusiastic about them and have all owned multiple generations.
I would say that you determine your budget or a range and choose the best example of all of them. They’re all really good! If you have aesthetic objections to the NC Miata with the big dopey grin you should avoid these but really I don’t think you have to worry about pitfalls with certain model years.
If you have a bigger budget, shop for a 2019 or later. They bumped the horsepower up to ~180 or so from 155. Made a huge difference from what my circle of friends say.
You’d be suprised, or maybe not, about how big you can be and still actually fit in a Miata. I’m 6′ 260lbs, and I fit into my NA just fine. (Mind you, I had to remove the sun visors)
My issue is I’m 6’ 3” with a short torso and extra long legs. I fit fine as far as my head height. But working the clutch is murder on the knees.
I really like the PRHT on the NC. I don’t like the ND RF. So decisions, decisions. I’ve got a year or two.
Makes sense.
6. ESP
I’m too old to learn a new language, so I’m going to spend Labor Day weekend looking for a translation app that speaks Lexus. Then, I’ll be able to let you know if I think they’ve gone too far.
Labor Day plans are the WEBN fireworks on Sunday
Wow. I didn’t realize they were still doing that. Didn’t realize WEBN was still around. Rrrrrrrrribbit.
TBQ: Probably nothing. I’m going to the NYS Fair Sunday to at least say I went this year (also to see Rick Ross & Snow tha Product perform), and I’m spending tomorrow afternoon with a buddy so he’s not by himself with a bunch of women…. so, I’ll be busy for the weekend.
It’s gotta be the Ramcharger, right? Never a real sales success like the rest were, but you can still find some out there. Plus you could option a 440, at least for a couple years.
I would argue the Travelall is the underdoggiest of them all. It came out before the Wagoneer, had 4 doors before the Suburban, sold even fewer than the Scouts.
If we are sticking with the Big 3, there is a really solid argument for the Ramcharger’s twin, the Plymouth Trailduster.
Yeah the Travelall is right I think.
For some reason I was only considering the 2 door models.
Labor Day in Michigan = road trip up north. We have family in Interlochen. BBQ, boating, kids running around like maniacs, sitting in traffic with a bunch of FIBs on the way home Monday. Classic Labor Day stuff.
Amen lol I am doing something similar going up north but I delayed my plans one day in order to avoid massive traffic.
They need to make a Chevy Brightdrop SS 😀
New Amazon Prime 12 second last 1/4 mile delivery guarantee.
Lime Rock Park, Historics weekend.
The car show in Sunday (though, they are calling for rain until around noon) is always amazing. Not sure if I’m camping the whole weekend though. But, I’ll definitely show up Sunday sometime.
If you’ll be there and want to high-five, let me know.
Count me in as another that thinks that it was silly to have it be a stand alone brand and the choice of name is even sillier. As a Chevy it will be a much easier sell since Chevy stripped chassis dominated the walk-in truck market for decades. If they are lucky this will help them regain some market share.
“Why GM’s Move To Kill Its Standalone Electric Van Brand Makes Perfect Sense”
Because an electric delivery van makes so much more sense as a “Corvette”!
I never understood why Brightdrop was it’s own thing, dumb name aside, GM already has two brands that sell commercial vehicles, and adding a third was a step away from their policy over the past 20 years of shedding brands in the name of cost savings and efficiency.
Chevrolet makes a lot of sense, but GMC would have worked, too, given they they produce the grade of vehicles used by professionals, if I understand the marketing correctly. I guess they could maybe get a badge engineered version later that’s slightly more expensive than the Chevy because the red coloring agent used in the plastic molds for the badge costs more than the gold coloring used for Chevy or something
It was its own thing, in part, to appeal to the “startup” minded individuals they needed to come work there. They don’t sell anything so there weren’t any real consumer branding considerations. Startup tech nerds aren’t interested in stodgy old GM or Chevrolet. But, BrightDrop… Now there is a startup sounding company with vision and excitement.
Oh wait, the product development is done. Your fired, oh and we’re calling it a Chevy now.
But General Motors is younger than Tesla by like 6 years
Technically true, the best kind of true.