I admit I have a small Miata problem.
I currently own two of the small Japanese roadsters, and I will go to my grave believing that the Miata is the most perfect car ever made. My lifted and supercharged Miata named Buddy you’ve likely seen here on the pages of The Autopian, but I also have a 2004 Mazdaspeed Miata. Speedy is mostly stock, save for a roll bar and some upgraded brakes. I am the second owner and she has 82,000 miles on her. I love Speedy just as much as I love Buddy– maybe even more so because she always runs.
When I spent some time in the 2024 Mazda Miata it got me thinking– would I ever trade in my Speedy for a modern Miata? Just what has improved, or not, in the ensuing 20 years of Miata-dom? I’ve had some time to noodle on it, and I have thoughts.
Turbo Or Nah?
When new, my MSM’s 1.8-liter turbo four-pot put out 178 horsepower and 166 pound-feet of torque. The factory single scroll turbocharger puts out a whopping 8.5 pounds of boost and for the life of me, I’ve never heard any pssssh turbo noise come into the cabin. It’s that tiny. The gears are fairly short and closely spaced so I get all the good feels of rowing my own, downshifting around turns and I enjoy the quick acceleration off the line. It’s like driving an angry bumblebee. However, on the highway, this car blows. I’ll be sitting at 80 miles per hour and the engine is sitting at 4,000 rpm or so. No wonder I’m only getting highway mileage in the low- to mid-20s.
Here we are in 2024 and the Miata has a 2.0-liter naturally aspirated four-banger rated for 181 ponies and 151 pound-feet of torque. Again, gears here are pretty closely spaced and first gear zings to 35 miles per hour at the 7,500 rpm redline in about the same time it takes mine to reach 30 miles per hour at the 6,500 rpm redline. What really makes me smile, though, is that at 80 mph on the highway I’m sitting at 3,200 rpm. So yeah, it’s like an angry bumblebee until I get to the highway then it transforms into, say, a slightly annoyed bumblebee. Still, it’s enough for an EPA fuel rating of 34 mpg on the highway.
I got curious about the gear ratios so I looked at the spec sheets for each car. My Mazdaspeed’s first gear is at 3.76 and the final drive is 4.10. That makes sense to me. Mazda prioritized acceleration over fuel economy. I get it.
The 2024 Mazda’s first gear is a super-low 5.087. What the what? This made zero sense until I looked at the final drive. Y’all, it’s a super-tall 2.866. If Mazda didn’t put in a low first gear I doubt it would ever get off the line. With the higher redline, however, it means the car can gain more speed in first gear, even though it’s so damn low. Then you get the benefit of better fuel economy on the highway. At first, I wondered why Mazda didn’t split the difference and offer 3.88s in the rear but hey– their way works and just proves that I’m not an engineer.
We Don’t Need No Traction Control!
When it comes to handling and steering, I have no complaints about little Speedy. Twenty years ago Mazda was still using hydraulic steering and it’s still as divine as the day it came off the assembly line. I know when I cross over a lane marking there is so much communication from the tires to the steering wheel. Although the car originally came with Toyo Proxes, I currently run Michelin Pilot Super Sports. The chassis and steering are so chatty I know exactly when they are about to lose grip– which is not often thanks to the standard limited-slip rear differential. When it does break loose, a bit of countersteer and the Mazdaspeed gets back in line. Pure joy.
Mazda also added larger front and rear sway bars and slapped some Bilstein shocks on the Mazdaspeed. It’s still a little roly-poly like all NB Miatas, but that’s part of the charm. It’s all old-school too. There is no electric this or Drive Mode that. No traction or stability control, no ESC. Heck, the only vague consideration to driving safety here is ABS. The Mazdaspeed has one setting: fun.
Meanwhile, Mazda has modernized but not over-complicated its suspension and handling features in the ensuing 20 years. While I’m bummed that the company went to electric power steering, I can’t expect it to remain in the dark ages forever. And as far as an electric setup goes, Mazda has one of the best. It’s hefty and quick and while it can’t feel paint changes through the rack, it communicates enough of what’s going on with the front wheels to be satisfying. For 2024 Mazda was able to reduce friction in the steering setup for even greater precision. I’ll take it.
Bilstein dampers are here as well, but Mazda made some innovative improvements on the limited-slip differential– no electronics required. Essentially there is a cam mechanism on the differential that provides more lockup under engine braking, reducing oversteer during trail braking. I mean, I always thought that was the fun part about a Miata, but it’s certainly not the fastest way around a turn. When accelerating the diff provides less lockup to reduce understeer. Since understeer is scary, I applaud this improvement.
Those just learning to push their MX-5 will enjoy the new DSC-Track feature which limits the stability control but doesn’t turn it all the way off. Now you don’t have to risk it all on the track if you’re still making payments on your roadster. Of course, you can still turn DCS all the way off if you’d like and frankly, there isn’t enough power here to warrant it in the first place if you have a modicum of driving talent. Just turn it off and let it rip.
However, Mazda does get modern with the software-based Kinematic Posture Control. Here, the computer is on the lookout for high-g cornering. When it detects such a situation, slight brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Mazda says this keeps body roll in check and helps with steering response. If the driver is accelerating through a turn, a higher level of braking is used.
What can I say except that it all works. Taking a run up my favorite windy road the new Miata just feels sharper all around. Turn-in is crisper, the rear stays tucked in and the Bridgestone summer tires are grippy as all get out. Understeer and oversteer seem to be a thing of the past now. That is a little sad-face if we’re being honest, at least in terms of oversteer, but this car is just as fun as my old-school MSM.
Those Cupholders, Though
When it comes to the interior, well, I have some very strong opinions. My 2004 has no tech at all. No blindspot monitoring, no lane departure warning, no cruise control, rearview camera, or TPMS. Speedy is bare bones, baby. I miss none of those things. The only tech I would want are heated seats and Apple CarPlay– just not encased in Mazda’s terrible infotainment system.
See, the infotainment system in the new Mazda, housed on an 8.8-inch screen, can only be controlled by a rotary dial that is located just behind the gear shifter [Ed note: We have many thoughts on this and are glad Mazda is slowly moving away from this as the only option – MH]. Mind you, the screen itself has touch capabilities as you can use your finger to navigate through Apple CarPlay. If Mazda would just allow folks to do the same for their native infotainment system guess what could go in place of that stupid rotary dial? Cup holders.
Yes, the cup holder situation in the new Miata is turrible. Granted, in my older car I have to twist my arm a bit to reach my road Diet Dr Pepper, but the twisting is egregiously bad in the 2024 Miata. Mazda has seen fit to make the cup holder movable and when driving solo I can place one on the right side of the center console, but it definitely impedes into the passenger footwell.
Small storage is just slightly better in the older Miata, thanks to its deeper center console bin. The Mazdaspeed also has an easily accessible glove box, whereas there is more twisting in the newer car to access the little lockable cubby on the wall between the two seats.
Speaking of seats, mine are a nifty black and red cloth but I like the leather seats in the new model as well. The fore and aft movement is about the same but drivers can actually adjust the steering wheel in the new Miata. This gives taller drivers more options. Likely not comfortable options, but options nonetheless.
The Mazdaspeed ekes out a bit more trunk space at 5 cubic feet, but it’s more wide than it is deep. The new Miata’s trunk is a bit smaller, 4.59 cubes, but it’s much deeper. I can fit my suitcase in both, but it needs to remain flat in my car. I should note that I’ve driven Speedy across the country and the best packing strategy is to use multiple soft-sided bags and then fill in the holes with your underwear and socks.
Perhaps the best creature comfort improvement over the past 20 years has been the soft top. I can easily close it while sitting in the car so if a sudden rainstorm hits or it just gets too damn hot to go topless, I don’t have to pull over and get out of the car to put it up. Even without the rollbar in Speedy, I can’t wrangle my arm up and over my head while holding on to the soft top in my car. The latches on the new Miata are much easier to use as well and the top does a better job at keeping out wind and road noise. I mean, it’s not quiet in the cabin but I can at least have a conversation with someone without yelling. That’s more than I can say about my little Miata.
Could I Really Be Tempted To Upgrade?
In 2004 my Mazdaspeed Miata cost around $26,000. I bought it in 2014 with 13,000 miles on the clock for $11,000. Yeah…I got a great deal. The 2024 Mazda MX-5 Miata starts at just over $30,000 including $1,185 for destination. However, my top Grand Touring model with Nappa leather interior and a fancy paint job is over $36,000. I’d probably save a few thousand dollars and give up a few comforts with the Club model.
Or, you know what? Maybe I’ll just get an aftermarket Apple CarPlay unit and some seat heaters at Target and call it good. That seems like a pretty good plan, too.
That MSM is soooo easy on the eyes. What a perfect petite car.
I really do love the Miata as a concept, but at the price point of an ND, I personally feel that a Toyobaru makes a lot more sense. You’re getting a similarly nimble, lightweight-ish car but with more room for people and things so you can more easily use it as an everyday vehicle.
Yes but in the Miata you can fully extend your arms and wave them over your head and that is very important for fostering joy
I had a Toyobaru before my current ND Miata. The Toyobarus are great but the ND soft top is a full 500 lbs lighter, and has an 11 inch shorter wheelbase. There is quite a big difference in seat-of-the-pants feel and chassis sensitivity to pedal inputs.
I bought a 2018 Club with the BBR package in June. Absolutely love the car. Looked at some NB’s and NC’s as well and decided to go newer just for hopefully less age related issues to deal with. Love the 30+ mpg on the highway, and even without the ND2 updates the car is a blast to drive.
Agree the cupholders suck. Was able to fit 2 suitcases in the trunk for a weekend out of town.
Can journalists please get away from this “electric power steering bad” mentality? You know what other car came with electric power steering? The Honda S2000. I dare you to find me a single review of the S2000 that calls the steering anything short of excellent. Electric power steering is not a bad thing.
The S2000 is notorious for having no steering feel though. It’s a really quick rack, and very precise, but yeah, you’re not really feeling anything through it.
As soon as they start figuring out how to actually provide feedback from the wheels via the electric rack I’ll stop bitching about the lack of steering feel from electric racks.
Nearly every review of a stock S2000 calls out the dead, uncommunicative steering.
Yeah whatever.
But the N.A. has the best door handles.
Why have all the latter ones sucked on the lemon of ugliness ?
When I traded my 1990 Gen 1 for a 2006 Gen 3, I for sure felt safer. But it was so boring because everything had already been done to it at the factory. The Moss Motors catalog never created any more excitement.
Nice comparison between the old and new that proves one cannot go wrong either way.
I own my NC1 Miata by way of a series of events starting with driving a new RF with no real intention of buying. Everyone has their biases about which generation is “better”, but truth be told, there is no “wrong” Miata. I dearly love mine, even though I baby it too much and can’t drive it enough in my northern climate.
Grew up with my Dads NB Miata’s. So much fun, love these cars. I’m in a BRZ now as at 6’4” the NC only kinda works (especially once helmets are considered) and I have a much harder time folding myself into small spaces now than I did when I was 20.
Honestly, these giant-ass screens are not required.
Or are they??
No, they are not.
Especially in touch-only mode. I mean, I use my right hand for shifting gears, not shifting podcasts.
So, can a car company make cars with options for no screen, but audio connectivity to phones, (for maps, podcasts, music, etc.).
I mean, do they want me to buy a new car or not?
I guess I am in a tiny minority of car buyers.
A car company won’t do it but there are alternatives..
Kenwood makes some replacement headunits that have very basic displays with Bluetooth connectivity.
Me like! Any way to dump the monitor, though?
Or is this my aftermarket idea of a lifetime?
Can confirm. I installed something similar into my dad’s 2010 ace of base Yaris so he could make hands free phone calls. It was a single DIN radio that had a basic display with Bluetooth. It’s worked fine for years. Call quality is surprisingly good considering a Yaris is a buzzy tin can.
Every new car is required to have a backup camera, which means they will all have a screen of some kind.
Grr. Don’t need one if I can already see out the back. B/U Camera allows car companies to design cars without the ability to see out the windows. Guess I’ll keep my lotsa-windows car.
The backup camera display could go in the central mirror like retrofit kits have done for years. That could free the radio up to go back to a simple din slot.
The screens are there to provide a place for the Federally required reverse camera image. I had a Tacoma w/ the reverse camera screen being the rear view mirror. It was better to just use the mirror as a mirror, rather than a screen.
I’ve owned three generations and spent a lot of time in the fourth. They all have their pros and cons, but they’re all good.
The important thing is that you drive a Miata, not which Miata.
Until someone suggests CVT-swapping one.
As long as all they do is suggest.
Too late, it’s already happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwbS4mVxYD4
A Lemons team out in California swapped a Yamaha snowmobile engine and CVT transmission into one.
If it’s for Lemons, it’s ok! Because race(?)car!
I actually really love the cupholder set up in the ND. I think it’s a really clever solution to dealing with limited space. Also, the command knob is far superior to touch screens.
I so much agree on the command knob. We’ve had 3 Mazdas with it (including my ND Miata that I’ve put 115,000 miles on) and there was like a one week learning curve and now I love it. I hate driving anything that has a touchscreen only because I have to spend so much time with my eyes off the road.
Absolutely. I hate touch screens and while a bit frustrating at times, the command knob works fine in Android Auto.
Agreed about the knob. I have 2 new Mazdas at the moment and they are very intuitive once you get past that first week of figuring out how far to twist without really having to look at the screen. The only thing that sucks with it is when you’re in maps and trying to scroll between views but even that’s not terrible or something you should be doing while driving
I am so glad you enjoy what you love and are encouraged to share it. This should be the baseine for all vehicles Autopians own.
Having owned a NB for several years (2003) and driven an ND2 (2021), I’d say both cars have their place.
The NB is a raw, infinitely modifiable, old-school experience that has the charm of doing what it does so well with the bare minimum of technology. Mine didn’t even have ABS; I had to get a proportioning valve to adjust the front/rear brake bias manually. It took a lot of work (and money) to get it driving the way I wanted to, but it was very rewarding and satisfying in the end.
The ND2’s engine accomplishes stock much of what I spent more than $10K on engine mods in my NB trying to accomplish, all while being smog legal. It’s also MUCH more refined than my NB ever was (which as I age, becomes more and more important to me).
If I had to do it over again, I’d probably have bought an ND instead of an NB. The NB got sold due to becoming a money pit I couldn’t afford anymore. If I’d have bought an ND, I’d still have it today. I may buy an ND2 in a few years when the time is right.
I love both cars though and get nostalgic every time I see an NB. I still miss it.
My only problem with a Miata is that I don’t fit. Those red and black cloth seats are all kinds of classy!
I have a dark blue 1997 NA, one of the last 1500 made (it has a numbered plate!) and I wouldn’t part with it for anything. You can have all those new gadgets and gizmos that decrease your reliability. Mine goes where I point it, and doesn’t smooth out any of the fun. After 212,000 miles, there is nothing that has had to be done with it, except for a reluctant valve timing belt replacement around 120K (it didn’t need it, belt was in fine shape).
Now if I can just get the lifters to stop ticking…
[sorry, this comment was supposed to be a reply to Thatmiataguy above]
I have a ’90 Miata that I purchased new when they first debuted. I love the ND cars but I’ve got 90% of the fun for zero additional dollars and my car’s value is appreciating, not depreciating. I can live with that.
I had a Mazda3 some time back and was able to get an ND1 Miata (manual!) for a loaner while doing some warranty work on the 3. A few years later I owned an NA. I loved the NA, but if you can afford an ND that is the better choice for 99% of people. The huge increase in safety alone trumps whatever minor losses in feel there are (which for the average enthusiast like myself are negligible), and a newer car will come with a lot less maintenance requirements. I will be looking for an ND2 in the future.
As for my older cars, I’ve put the Sony XAVAX1000 Carplay headunit in 2 of them and its the single best upgrade for any old car. Its the cheapest Carplay unit from a reputable brand and the oldest one has held up for 5 years now without issue. For $300 your car is instantly modernized and in most cases gives a little more juice to the speakers. If you get upgraded speakers too its a world of difference to drive and enjoy.
Alpine makes a $300 CarPlay head unit too. It has a discrete antenna control output which none of crutchfields other brands did when I bought.
If I had it to do over again, I would seriously consider one of the no-name units, because some of them have actual hard buttons. The Alpine is touchscreen only. On a newer car with steering wheel controls, I would just live with it, but of course my NB doesn’t have those either.
I put a couple of nubs of sugru on the trim to help me locate the volume controls. That helped, But I am still left wanting more hard buttons, Or even a volume knob.
That’s actually why I went with the Sony. It has a physical wheel for volume and since its not wireless Carplay it has the USB jack in the front, so you don’t have to route it from the back and through your dash. I do think the no name units are pretty decent these days, I might give one of those a shot next time I need one.
Scosche makes a powered usb hub that replaces your cigarette lighter. Has one USB-A and one USB-C with power delivery.
In the Miata it was a trivial install.
Edit: not a powered hub. USB – A is pass-through only and USB – C is charge only. That’s kind of a pisser. Wish I’d noticed that before I bought it.
Well it’s hard to have a big Miata problem, at least until the 3-row miata-cross gets released.
That will be the ME-ata.
Or, MEG-ata? MEGA-ta?
I have a friend who was forced to drive his wife’s Miata (baby arrived). He’s 6’3″ and unless it rained, the top was down. I’m thinking, how about a taller windshield option and all that encompasses? Or, a lower (probably more uncomfortable) seat?
After a few years, he bought a Matrix. Fits three kids in an emergency (Odyssey does most of that work).
Please don’t encourage Mazda to follow in Ford’s, and now, maybe, Chevy’s footsteps!
Dammit, that got me thinking… If the Miata is supposed to be the reincarnation of a lightweight british sports car but made modern and reliable, why shouldn’t Mazda do the same thing again and re-invent the Ariel Nomad as a 4 seat street legal quasi dune buggy thing.
Well, the Exocet Off-Road does exist…
https://exomotive.com/exocet/
But would you take a Fiata?
No.
I have only experienced it during a test drive of a 2019 Mazda3 and over a weekend rental of a 2023 CX-30, but I really enjoy the Mazda infotainment wheel. I found it relatively easy to learn how many clicks were needed to get to certain actions on the infotainment system, and since I don’t have an iPhone Apple CarPlay is utterly useless to me. I’m also a weirdo who really enjoyed Windows Phone, though, so I can definitely see why people might disagree with me.
Same – I love my CX-5’s infotainment navigation. Some apps in CarPlay (looking at you, Google) do a bad job of indicating which button is focused, but otherwise I appreciate not having to touch the screen while I’m driving. You get used to how far to turn the wheel (a physical control that doesn’t move!) to get to certain items on the screen.
Twice now I’ve rented a CX-5 without the touchscreen, so the user is forced to navigate all the potential touchscreen options by twirling a knob in the center console and pressing it. It’s garbage. I loved the car but wouldn’t consider buying one without the touchscreen which probably costs an additional $1.50 at the factory. Mazda had rocks in their head, making that the punishment for choosing the base model.
Mazda makes some garbage touch screens. Just google mazda ghost touch. I wish I could just disable to touch screen entirely. The knob is fantastic once you become accustomed to it. I’m so salty over the touchscreen and the corrupting SD card the navigation comes on and the flaking clear coat on the rims that I wouldn’t buy another Mazda.
Don’t look at Google for your CarPlay problems. Look at Apple.
The Windows phone was the GOAT! Lack of app support killed it though..
I miss my windows phone so much… especially the part where I’d only charge it on Fridays as that’ll just barely let me get to the following Monday if I skip a week. I also didn’t really feel like the lack of apps was that big of a deal in practice, other than Lyft not being on there and my hatred for Uber as a company. Even 8 years later neither IOS nor Android reach mediocre status in my opinion as far as email goes.
I liked my Windows phone too. The tiles were great. I gave up when they did.
The wheel is perfectly fine until you get to AA or CP. Actually, I don’t know about CP, but AA takes a lot of getting used to. A UI designed for use as a touch interface just becomes really clunky with the wheel. The OEM interface was designed for it, on the other hand.
+1 for Windows Phone. It’s downfall was app support of course, but that interface was excellent. The Nokia phone I had was excellent and I was sad when I was forced to part with it.
I’ve owned a CX-30 Turbo for a bit under 2 years and the infotainment setup with the knob really becomes second nature quickly. We’ve also got a CX-5 and CX-9 that my parents own, as well as an ND2, and the older generation system in those three is certainly slower and less pleasant to use. What I’ve heard about ND3 is not only is the screen larger, but far more responsive, which has always been the only gripe about the ND2 I’ve had. The screen on it really sucks and is miserably slow, but I don’t mind the click wheel at all, especially since I have shortcuts and general navigation down to muscle memory.
NB Miatas are all one needs.
I agree! My 99 just had a full service job, and is as good as new (except for 25 years of dings and dents!) I don’t need any techie toys.
For those who want to tinker, there is no question as to which one is the better platform. The NA/NB Miata are among the most modifiable cars out there. If you want to get in and drive, get the ND and enjoy the ride!
The final drive and gearing was juggled around because as you go deeper into overdrive ranges, you increase losses inside the gearbox. Changing these around with a taller final drive and shorter transmission overdrive increased the overall driveline efficiency in the ND.
Lastly, please PLEASE add some SFI foam padding to your rollbar. Cracking your skull on a steel bar when you get rear ended could kill you. Even that foam is rated for helmet impact, not a bare skull impact. It’s the risk you take driving around in a chassis with design roots that are older than airbag requirements.
Meh, seems odd something so tiny, basically a 4 wheeled motorcycle still only gets that kind MPG with such low power.
It’s the gearing. I have an NC2 6MT and it also turns 4k at 80. I manage about 28mpg on my mixed commute that is 80% highway. I like my NC2, but I think the Mazdaspeed NB is the best looking Miata. But I get to be Captain Data in my NC2 boat. Ahoy matey!
I get about the same so far in my NC1 5 speed. Typical tank is 27-28 so far. It’s a ton of fun per gallon though.
Older for sure.
Cant agree more. The turbo will easily gain power if needed, the 2.0 na not so much. Special editions lose less value too. I wouldnt change a thing.