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Why The Entire Automotive Industry Is Holding Its Breath

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I sometimes think the conspiracy theorist’s belief that a secret cabal is controlling everything is less a fear than a hope. It would be comforting to think that a group of, I don’t know, cheesemongers in Milwaukee had a plan for everything, and the drone sightings in New Jersey, the emergency of Bird Flu, and Tim Allen getting a new TV show somehow fit into a grander plan instead of just being random and not interconnected.

David is on his honeymoon and so this is going to be a Morning Dump where I get to talk about late 19th-century trade policy because he’s not here to stop me. Enjoy the beach, David! All the news this morning and, frankly, since the election has been about the giant trade implications of what an incoming President Trump might do.

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A lot of policy requires the new administration to wrangle bills through a fractured Congress, but trade is a place where the executive branch is endowed with a decent amount of power. This has many companies waiting to see what happens next. Where will Jeep build the new Cherokee? In the case of Chinese exporters, there’s no waiting, they’re exporting as much as they possibly can right now.

The same concerns over trade are impacting Thailand, which has become the “Detroit of Asia” and where that country’s own trade policies are causing Japanese and Chinese automakers to vie for influence.

Let’s Talk About The Stehli Silks Corporation Of America

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Photo: Author, image via the Metropolitan Museum of Art

One of the major debates in the United States in the 1800s was over what to do about the tariffs that had come to be a key source of revenue and strife, both before and after the Civil War. These import taxes, along with income taxes, helped the country rebuild after the war and experience a period of industrial growth/wealth building in the late 19th century (for some, at least).

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Republicans and Democrats at the time both agreed that something needed to be done to reduce the government’s budget surplus. They just didn’t agree on how they should do it. Here’s how one paper on the topic summed up the views:

Fashioning themselves as “tariff reforms,” the Democrats proposed reductions in import duties. They believed that this would reduce government revenue, ease the tax burden on consumers and farmers, and eliminate inequities associated with special interest protection. The Republicans, by contrast, argued that any tariff reduction would stimulate imports and raise even more revenue. Furthermore, they contended, lower tariffs would expose American industry and workers to foreign competition and thereby jeopardize the economic well-being of the country.

President McKinley and the Republicans prevailed and the “McKinley tariffs” were eventually put into law.

We don’t have to worry about a budget surplus these days, though many of the same issues continue to be debated. I was thinking about this over the weekend when I visited New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art (The Met) and ventured down a wide set of stairs to look at the Jazz-Age silks of the Stehli Silks Corporation.

This company was originally founded in Switzerland and set up a New York office in the late 1800s to try and sell fabrics here, but a new tariff encouraged them to expand and create a subsidiary that would make silks in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. This wasn’t something that was yet common and it’s funny to think of Stehli Silks as one of the original multinational corporations, but it sort of was. Before long, the Pennsylvanian operation dwarfed the European one. In that sense, tariffs worked as Republicans expected (pedantic historical note, this specific tariff was the Dingley Act).

In most other ways, the increased tariffs were a massive failure. As argued in the paper above, tariff revenues increased at the same time the economy slowed down, having the opposite outcome that was anticipated. More importantly for Republicans, the reaction to the economic impact on regular people caused the party to get absolutely demolished in the next round of elections.

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Eventually, it stopped making sense to make silks in the United States and those operations were shut down. The mill complex has since been converted into fancy lofts.

Where Will The Jeep Cherokee Get Built?

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Jeep is in trouble, from a sales perspective, and desperately needs a new Jeep Cherokee. The company will show the new hybrid Cherokee soon, but where it gets built is another question. While then-CEO Carlos Tavares was in charge the assumption was that it would be built in Mexico or, maybe, in Canada.

Now? It’s unclear according to Stellantis exec Antonio Filosa. Per Bloomberg:

Filosa said Stellantis is working on many different scenarios, indicating the model could be made elsewhere, including the US.

“We will work to generate jobs in the US,” said Filosa, who added that he has not personally spoken with the president-elect. “After the decision of Mr. Trump and his administration, we will work accordingly.”

Does that mean Belvidere, Illinois is back on the table?

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All of this is because President-elect Trump has expressed his desire to enact a series of tariffs on various countries, although it’s not entirely clear how much of a tariff, on what, and on which countries. China is certainly on the list, but the incoming President has said various things at various points in his campaign and since, so it’s not yet clear how any company or country can respond in the long term.

Unlike repealing the Inflation Reduction Act, President Trump will have more leeway to make instant decisions regarding these tariffs.

Chinese Exports To US Surge By 15.6% Y-o-Y

China's Q1 Exports Up 14.8 Pct, Imports Up 31.1 Pct
Photo: Chinaimages/Depositphotos.com

I said that the automotive world is holding its breath, but there are two notable exceptions to this. First, is Trump consigliere/Tesla CEO Elon Musk. Rather than wait to see what happens, Musk has put himself into a position to shape outcomes. Granted, it’s not clear how long that’ll last (the old Trump whisperer, Steve Bannon, has vowed to remove the “truly evil” Musk by Trump’s inauguration in a week).

China, also, isn’t taking any chances. According to Nikkei, Chinese companies have ramped up exports in advance of the handover to a new administration, with China exporting 15.6% more items (including car parts) to the United States than they did in 2023.

In recent months, some American importers have been rushing to hoard Chinese goods in anticipation of fresh trade barriers with the return of the Trump administration. The incoming president has said that he will charge an additional 10% tariff on goods from China on his first day in office, after pledging to slap tariffs of up to 60% on all imports from the country during his presidential campaign.

That’s not all. Exports to other Asian countries have increased, leaving some to wonder if China isn’t trying to route goods through other ports to avoid tariffs.

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Making issues more complex for everyone is that shipping itself, which is how most goods are shipped internationally, is also in murky territory as Manager Magazine reports:

Several of the most important sea routes are currently under threat: pirate and rebel attacks, wars that have broken out or are threatening, politicians’ desires and climate change – the shipping routes are also in a multi-crisis. The fact that the designated US President Donald Trump (78) is now reaching for the Panama Canal and the head of the canal is already warning of chaos is just the latest twist.

Pirates! Control of Panama! Trade Wars! History truly does repeat itself.

Toyota And China Fight For Influence In Thailand

Bangkok Thai Factory
Source: Depositphotos.com

The United States isn’t the only country whose industrial and trade policies have automakers scrambling. Thailand has become a new market for automakers and a place where companies, especially Chinese ones, build cars.

This is how Thailand became the “Detroit of Asia.” It helped that Thailand gave huge subsidies to carmakers who built EVs in the country, basically requiring a balance between exports and imports. Chinese automakers were fine with this arrangement until the market for EVs slowed in Thailand. At the same time, discounts for hybrids benefitted Japanese automakers like Toyota.

What’s the future? Toyota and Japan would like to make the future a little more hybrid according to Nikkei:

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Toyota Motor Chairman Akio Toyoda met Thai Prime Minister Paetongtarn Shinawatra last month in Bangkok to discuss ways to lift Thailand’s auto industry as a whole, from parts suppliers to automakers. Toyoda stressed the country’s importance as a production and development hub, while Paetongtarn signaled an openness to government measures to promote hybrid vehicles.

“With demand for EVs slowing, Toyota sees this as a great opportunity to ramp up its lobbying efforts,” said a Japanese government source in Thailand.

On the flipside, Chinese automakers have argued for reductions in the amount of imports necessary to qualify for incentives. It’s not clear who is going to win this round, though Japanese automakers still make up a vast majority of sales in the country. It probably behooves Thailand to keep both Japan and China happy as it, too, hedges.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

Did you know that The Specials released their debut album over 40 years ago? That’s a long time. Please enjoy “A Message To You Rudy” and take to heart the message about no longer messing around, starting to think about the future, overall straightening right out, and stopping with all the problems you’re creating in town.

The Big Question

What’s going to happen? A lot? A little? Nothing at all?

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Chronometric
Chronometric
17 hours ago

So “Cold Start” doesn’t tickle the Google Algorithm but “Morning Dump” does?

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
17 hours ago

Aside from all the politics dumb-dumb stuff, here is my real feeling on the future.

EV’s are going to become less and less important. The reason being is that whatever net benefit or degradation to the planet is irrelevant because the whole shebang costs too much.

Our true future is reliant on data centers and AI. This takes a massive, and I mean MASSIVE, amount of electricity.

So, when you have a bulletproof direction that the whole world seemingly “agrees” on, and there is money to be made. All that money that was won/lost in the EV development so far will disappear.

EV’s might eventually tally 70% of rubber to the road transportation, but they are fundamentally flawed in many applications.

There is only so much energy to go around, and the Salt Bey droppings might go towards charging infrastructure, but that is it. Even human needs will unfortunately submerge to a secondary priority in the vast expanse of energy money. The rankings for energy allocation (read:money) will go as follows:

  1. Data
  2. Humanity

42. EVs

Bassracerx
Bassracerx
17 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

the good thing is that it is in the best interest of the data centers to consume as little electricity as they can get away with. But more and more things are going to the cloud at an accelerating rate so more and more data centers are popping up all over the place. I work for an ISP and our telecom provider is ending support on the bare metal phone servers / software and all the phone servers will have to go to the cloud sooner than later.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
15 hours ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

Who powers the “cloud”, though? My degree in all of this is a bit out of date. I mean, all that has to go somewhere that has a no-erase backup, right?

Bassracerx
Bassracerx
12 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

data redundancy is all part of it also power redundancy and also multiple locations so if the data center in colorado goes down the one in illinois takes over. usually a “data center” is not just one companies computers it is a third party like real estate and multiple companies rent out space in it. those companies expand to as many data centers as they need.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
12 hours ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

I just happened to be here, lol.

Correct! The data flies all over, which is almost worse. So, the commenters on here that whine about cruise ships and the like have no idea.

The entire country is going to become a grid that we tip-toe about. It’s not gonna be great.

Aprtur
Aprtur
11 hours ago
Reply to  Bassracerx

Your mention of power redundancy is a great point, and one I don’t know that people quite comprehend on a superficial level. I work for the “big C”, and I kid you not when I say the biggest purchaser of 95L diesel gensets is data centers….and they usually have anywhere from 2-4 of them, due to running in redundant pairs. To say data centers require a town’s worth of power isn’t too far off.

Last edited 11 hours ago by Aprtur
Westboundbiker
Westboundbiker
13 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

I’ve never understood the whole ‘not enough energy for EVs’ arguments. We used less power pre-ai boom, as a nation than we did as the 80s. The incredible increase in the energy efficiency of modern appliances and LED lighting has led to a net decrease in power consumption. Considering the boom of renewables and the seemingly (finally) achievable fusion power… EV’s make more sense now than ever before.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
12 hours ago
Reply to  Westboundbiker

Do some research on what data centers consume. Your gigabit internet is just a freckle on the freckle on the freckle of one gigs ass of data.

I’m sure you have at least seen fields of solar panels. That ain’t nothing, We are soon to own the output of (basically) 60% of the World’s energy.

It’s coming, and quickly. EV’s will become the Tonka truck in priorities.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
18 hours ago

We will witness dysfunction, contradiction, and infighting Hugely. The likes of which have never been seen! So unfair, a disgrace!
It may pass like a kidney stone, but it will pass.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
18 hours ago

As I’ve gotten older, it’s become clear that life is much better when you can purposely position yourself to not be left holding your breath. Is Toyota holding their breath? No, probably not. They’re not chasing the impossible in Tesla and relying on government subsidy (to lose money on cars).

Last edited 18 hours ago by Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
VS 57
VS 57
18 hours ago

My prediction of what happens over the next few months and years is a long, loud, labored rotation of the deck chairs on the ship of state…

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
18 hours ago

All that’s going to happen is life goes on. Today we’re at war with Oceania and our allies are Eastasia. We have always been at war with Oceania. Tomorrow we will be at war with Eastasia and our allies will be Oceania because we’ve always been at war with Eastasia… on and on ad finitum. Priorities will change for a couple years and then they will change again. The more it changes, the more it stays the same. My leftist family will call me a right-wing extremist and my right wing family will call me a leftist. Meanwhile, I will still go to work everyday, pay my mortgage, put food on the table, sleep and repeat.

Westboundbiker
Westboundbiker
13 hours ago

Oh God. If there ever was a more reassuring, yet depressing, bit of truth in the world, you have found it.

Checkyourbeesfordrinks
Checkyourbeesfordrinks
18 hours ago

Oh shit, the Milwaukee cheesemongers have been outed as the real Illuminati. Hoard all the cheese and beer while you still can!

Last edited 18 hours ago by Checkyourbeesfordrinks
Strangek
Strangek
18 hours ago

Done and done.

Droid
Droid
17 hours ago

honk of you love cheesus!

Chronometric
Chronometric
17 hours ago

Does consuming count as hoarding? The mirror tells me that they are being efficiently stored.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
16 hours ago

Well now that we are outed I can tell you all that Big Butter Jesus was actually cheese. Gouda with a hint of swiss.

Parsko
Parsko
18 hours ago

What is going to happen to EV prices (as a consequence of what will happen) in one week???

Last edited 18 hours ago by Parsko
Mechjaz
Mechjaz
18 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

It’s been one week since you looked at me, cocked your head to the side, and said “I’m angry.” Five days since the afternoon where you laughed at me and said “get that together, come back, and see me.” Three days since the living room: I realized it’s all my fault but couldn’t tell you.

Yesterday, you’d forgiven me – now I sit back and wait till you say you’re sorry.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

-Taylor Swift (probably)

Parsko
Parsko
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Sorry, BNL.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Well, shit. Thanks for making some Canadian dough boys enter my brain, lol.

A true gem you are! 😉

RataTejas
RataTejas
17 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Next week they’ll cost 25% more.

Parsko
Parsko
17 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

If I had a million dollars….

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
16 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

I would buy you a K-Car…

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
16 hours ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

A nice reliant automobile!

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
16 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

That’d only be $374,968.70 in 1988 dollars, or $2.5 million going from 1988 to 2024. “If had two point five million dollars” isn’t nearly so catchy though.

Parsko
Parsko
16 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

We have pre-wrapped bacon now, I would buy it all.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
16 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

I worry what you just heard was “bring me a lot of bacon and eggs”. What I said was “Bring me all the bacon and eggs you have”.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
15 hours ago

Thats a party platter, it serves 12 people

I know what I’m about, son.

RataTejas
RataTejas
18 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

Chickity China, the Chinese chicken
You have a drumstick and your brain stops tickin’

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
16 hours ago
Reply to  RataTejas

You add a tariff and your trade starts trippin
We’re watchin ex-felons pull off a light con
They’ve stormed le maison
I hope the Viking man’s in this one

Like Fomoco I’m getting frantic
Stuck in semantics
Michigan isn’t enough to ship them far and wide

Gotta find a better set of clubs
Than the ones with presidents with tiny nubs
So we don’t lose US Steel to Nippon backing

Data
Data
16 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

Is this Smash Mouth, because in my head it came out like All Star while i was reading.

RataTejas
RataTejas
15 hours ago
Reply to  Data

Barenaked Ladies – One Week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg

Bonus points for having the General Lee and Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino in the video.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
15 hours ago
Reply to  Data

It’s the second verse from One Week by Barenaked Ladies, as best adapted to global trade, conservative US politics, and automotive concerns as I could possibly cram in.

https://youtu.be/fC_q9KPczAg?t=93&si=L5hXuo5cQ8qYTApW

Damn, RataTejas just beat my to it as I was about to call out the Gran Torino.

Chris with bad opinions
Chris with bad opinions
19 hours ago

[LET’S NOT DO THIS AND SAY WE DID – MH]

Last edited 15 hours ago by Matt Hardigree
Rippstik
Rippstik
19 hours ago

Username checks out.

Chris with bad opinions
Chris with bad opinions
19 hours ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Wow, what an original comment. You’re so creative.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
18 hours ago

I’m always confused when Trumpers show up around here and get pissy about the conversation. This site isn’t inherently political but the commentariat is definitely left leaning. This shouldn’t surprise anyone as it’s an offshoot of the Gawker universe which has always been left leaning…or at least was in its heyday.

Don’t get me wrong, we’ve got conservatives (of the increasingly rare “reasonable” variety) around these parts too, and a lot of the time it makes for good conversation and varied opinions…but coming to this site specifically and getting your Jimmies rustled over the fact that people don’t like Trumpism seems a bit silly to me.

What are you expecting when you show up at a site that came out of the Gawker sphere that features arguably the most prominent trans automotive journalist? Honestly I’d go so far as to say most car blogs and other online spaces are pretty right leaning. If you want that specifically it’s definitely out there, and back in the day I was in Facebook groups with a lot of people I didn’t agree with politically because we were all there to talk about our GTIs or whatever.

It’s not hard to find those spaces…but a lot of us like this one because it isn’t like that. Idk sorry to ramble, I’d never tell anyone they’re just outright not welcome over here unless they were saying legitimately bigoted, harmful, dangerous, etc. things but I do get confused when the Trump crowd shows up and gets mad that people don’t agree with them.

V10omous
V10omous
18 hours ago

Many of us left Gawker/Jalopnik over the left wing politics being front and center all the time, and coming here to reliably find unproductive Rootwyrm-grade slop like

The Orange asshole is going to fuck everything up because he’s a dementia riddled idiot who had only ever cared about himself.”

Is distinctly unpleasant and makes the site worse.

I didn’t vote for Trump, but I want him to succeed because I’m American and want America to succeed. If that makes me a “Trumper getting pissy” then so be it.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

You and I both know you’re neither of those things, and even if you were I’d still want to talk to you about cars

Last edited 18 hours ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
V10omous
V10omous
18 hours ago

My only red line is being anti-V10.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
16 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

and maybe 6,200 RPM?

V10omous
V10omous
16 hours ago

Lol touche

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I think this is a fair comment. And while I disagree with a lot of examples of left-right whataboutism, I do think the Very Online Left contributes a lot of hyperbolic and really negative discourse, and Chris’ comment probably falls into that categofy. I try to question my own comments on this point, including the one I made on this article a couple of hours ago.
I think this is a fair comment. And while I disagree with a lot of examples of left-right whataboutism, I do think the Very Online Left contributes a lot of hyperbolic and really negative discourse, and Chris’ comment probably falls into that category. I try to question my own comments on this point, including the one I made on this article a couple of hours ago.

Last edited 18 hours ago by Pupmeow
Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Ooh ahh, ooh ooh ah! Say it again to the back and their friends! Gooooo Tigers!!!

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
17 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

You’re guilty of it too, Stoney.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
17 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Double posting the same paragraph? Probably. Probably.

Double posting the same paragraph? Probably. Probably.

V10omous
V10omous
18 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

On the topic of whataboutism, I’d have the exact same reaction to someone coming in here and repeatedly screaming about Biden having dementia, Kamala sleeping her way to the top, or whatever other off-topic attacks you want to pick from the other side.

Donald Trump may be an asshole. The preponderance of evidence suggests that he probably is. The fact that what Chris said might be *true* doesn’t mean it’s something I want to *hear about* on a car site.

Adult, intelligent discussions that touch on politics and cars are among my favorite comment threads on the site. I’ve learned a lot, and talked with some great people across the political spectrum. Mindless political insults are my least favorite comments.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Agree with this 100%. If I want that stuff, I can go anywhere else.

Rapgomi
Rapgomi
17 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

“may be an asshole”, “probably is”, “might be true”….

How far past sexual predator, corrupt businessman, and habitual liar does Trump have to go before you quit using modifiers to downplay his behavior?

V10omous
V10omous
17 hours ago
Reply to  Rapgomi

Every comment I made in this thread was intended precisely for people who reply with stuff like this, and yet you still missed the point. Remarkable.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
17 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Yeah I’m guilty of this too

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Lol. And someone will make a huff that the slide is full on the playground.

I’m all about different viewpoints and such, but when some people decide to write something in the parroting voice of their child (or maybe the neighbor’s children?), it deserves a bit of water gun spray back.

How many times can the same 20-ish people type the same exact copy/past schoolyard nicknames for Trump and Elon?

Time will tell. Time will tell. I might need to buy a solar watch to time it though.

V10omous
V10omous
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

How many times can the same 20-ish people type the same exact copy/past schoolyard nicknames for Trump and Elon?

I don’t know, but I fear it’s going to be a long four years.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Thank you for saying this V10. I was thinking the same. Gawker’s leftism got old. Someone calling the “orange asshole” comment ridiculous does not make one a Trumper. Because as you said, it makes this site worse.

Parsko
Parsko
17 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I absolutely contribute to this left stuff, and I realize it when I type it. I was just telling myself late last week I need to temper my thoughts a bit more politically than I do.

I agree, too, that it’s some of the best discussions around here, when they are friendly. It’s also kinda fun when it is not (and it’s not you doing it on either side), but that does not add value, in the end.

I also need to quiet down about the EV stuff too. I need my internal pendulum to slow down a bit and come back.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago

Just curious, what exactly is about to get “fucked up” that was working so splendidly before?

Chris with bad opinions
Chris with bad opinions
16 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Welcome back stalker.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
15 hours ago

Chill, dude. You aren’t that important, lol

Chronometric
Chronometric
17 hours ago

Fact check:
Orange asshole – most would agree, even his supporters
Dementia-riddled – since he has always been this way there must be another cause
Self-centered – I think there may be some consensus on this point
Will fuck everything – hookers, yes, Melania, probably not.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
19 hours ago

Depending on you political views, Trump is either Tariffying or Tariffic. Either position taxes my patience.

Groover
Groover
18 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

see; this kind of punny headline is what we’re going to miss when the AI bots take over journalism.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
16 hours ago
Reply to  Groover

prompt: AI, make the headline more dad joke.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

What’s your position on being Teutonically Toupee’d?

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Personally, I couldn’t hair less.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Nice 🙂

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Just hoping a brush mustache doesn’t follow.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
17 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I’ll start worrying when it’s a barber’s comb.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
19 hours ago

“Where Will The Jeep Cherokee Get Built?”

Going by that image it will be built in the forgettable blob factory.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
15 hours ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Malaise-ia?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
12 hours ago

Slow clap….

FleetwoodBro
FleetwoodBro
14 hours ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I hope that rendition is not really the new Cherokee. It looks like it might be a re-body of the Hornet/Tonale. Talk about throwing good money after bad. Boxy, angular, a thoughtful update of the XJ much like how Mini did their first generation, that’s what they should be going for.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
12 hours ago
Reply to  FleetwoodBro

An upgraded later Cherokee with a better ride, better interior, much better gas mileage and safety but still fed this able as the decendant of the OG.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
19 hours ago

Ahh, leading off with the 1800’s. When the Democrats were the slavery dudes. I see what you did there!

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
19 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Or how Nixon created the EPA and bombed the crap out of SE Asia.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Life would go a lot smoother if more people understood the labels are just that. lol.

Westboundbiker
Westboundbiker
13 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

It’s impossible to convey.
People tend to boil things down to one issue or two issues that they find important, find the party that seems to match most closely, and cling for dear life. This is made alarming apparent by Trump. The man is pro-choice, anti gun, and yet still has wrapped himself in the Republican name so tightly that it has become his own. This, has the same people supporting him that supported the “R” ticket for decades. It boggles, fascinates, and scares me.

Last edited 13 hours ago by Westboundbiker
Get Stoney
Get Stoney
12 hours ago
Reply to  Westboundbiker

Say huh? The guy is clearly pro-life and all for the 2nd Amendment.

It shouldn’t scare you. The President is, for all intents, a figurehead. What should scare you is if your local people are doing dumb shit.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
12 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

What should scare you is if your local people are doing dumb shit.

Like, local people driving around in large (compensating) trucks with Trump flags? Check.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
1 hour ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Compensating, lol. Jeez Louise.

Those dudes driving those trucks aren’t ruining the planet. Just grown-up kids having a toy. Kinda just like you!

Also, them dudes are the first ones you look for if you get into trouble. Those guys are there for it. And, they will even have your snarky back as well.

Gate keep all you want, but just know that you “could possibly” be wrong here.

Westboundbiker
Westboundbiker
9 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

He is the only president in the past 25 years to take any action to reduce gun rights:
https://apnews.com/article/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af
He has pushed to reduce the restrictions on abortion in Florida:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/29/g-s1-20187/trump-abortion-amendment-4-florida-ivf-funding-reproductive-rights

That said, I am firmly pro-gun, and probably one of the few people ambivalent about abortion. I strongly support third party candidates over demagogues.

Icouldntfindaclevername
Icouldntfindaclevername
19 hours ago

Big Question: It will all come down to what keeps his name mentioned in the media and what benefits him and his company. Nothing really else matters to him. The far right will keep doing the same and the far left will keep doing the same.

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Username Loading....
19 hours ago

Not to get all political but I do anticipate the Trump + Musk (Elonald Trusk? Donlon Mump?) relationship to spectacularly implode sometime before the year is out. We can already see the cracks forming with the HB1 debate.

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The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
19 hours ago

It’ll be within 1 (one) Gregorian month of Inauguration Day.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
18 hours ago

Literally everyone who hitches their wagon to Trump gets burned sooner or later. It’s almost like there a pattern there that spans multiple decades…

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
18 hours ago

It’s also funny to see the overlap in his followers between people who recognize that he’s an idiot and are just hoping to get close enough to him to whisper lies in his ear and the people who genuinely think he’s the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago

Is that just a Venn diagram of only two choices, or do we get to include basically everyone else?

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
18 hours ago

A message to you Rudy

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
16 hours ago

Right? It never fails to amaze me how people line up for the inevitable pattern of abuse and eventual fall from grace that comes along with being in Trump’s orbit. Sometimes he even starts abusing them before they take the position, which should send any sane person running as fast as possible in the other direction, and yet they keep coming. It’s frankly a bit sick.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
19 hours ago

shipping itself, which is how most goods are shipped

Exactly as I suspected!

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
18 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I dunno … I think I’m going to need more evidence 🙂

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
18 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Oh, sure, show up and talk a bunch of ship.

Parsko
Parsko
19 hours ago

I feel like we, as a group of readers, is going to enjoy when David is away, and the minions can play. Now, time to read (since we are renaming things this week) the Afternoon Landfill…

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Poor Landfill.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
18 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

I too am excited to find out that maybe David is actually the sane one around here!

Parsko
Parsko
17 hours ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

He is TOTALLY the sane one around here. He plays an amazingly great bouncer/filter.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
19 hours ago

Wait, the new Cherokee is still going to be called the Cherokee? Hasn’t Stellantis been specifically asked to stop doing that, like, several times now?

I mean, Liberty is a lame ass name, but bland and inoffensive is at least better than blatantly offensive

Jatkat
Jatkat
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Right or not, it’s hard to kill 50 years of brand recognition, especially with the automaker in a tough spot.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
19 hours ago
Reply to  Jatkat

And Grand Cherokee still being around kind of grandfathers it in I think.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
17 hours ago
Reply to  Jatkat

I’d think the Elizabeth Warren connection would cause them to run screaming from the name.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Maybe they’ll do like the NFL and just call it the Jeep Mid-Sized SUV. At least until they decide to call it the Commander.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
18 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I regret that I have but one smiley face to give.

Ryan L
Ryan L
17 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Honest question – whats wrong with naming something after a native american tribe? It’s not like its the Redskins which was an obvious slur or the cleveland indians which had a racist logo?

RataTejas
RataTejas
17 hours ago
Reply to  Ryan L

Like most things. Consent. Florida Seminoles are supported by the tribe, and in return the University consults and includes the Seminole tribe in partnership.

The Cherokee tribes have said they’re not in favor of the name and would like it not used. Until Jeep clears it with them, or bribes them an appropriate amount, it will be raised as an issue.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
17 hours ago
Reply to  RataTejas

Well, Jeep Casino has a nice ring to it. And instead of a grand Cherokee, you could have a Big Casino.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
16 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

As long as they spell it with one “s”, otherwise the Italian government will get pissy

SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
13 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Nah. Screw that. Giorgia “Delusions with Grandeur” Meloni will get pissed if you don’t spend 100 hours a day praising the Italian heritage.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
11 hours ago
Reply to  SNL-LOL Jr

Stellantis has a policy of caving in completely whenever Italy has an objection like that (eg Italian flag stickers on Moroccan-built Topolinos, or a certain Polish-built SUV named after a city in Lombardia)

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

I’m not sure they’re going to run an Ad linking the two; I can only imagine how well an ad illustrating how Jeep brought Liberty to the Cherokee.

Ash78
Ash78
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Il nuovo Sediachiave

Because we’re Italian and thought you just said “A Chair A Key” and also don’t you think the Trail of Tears was problematic and it’s time for a change?

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

You’d think Jeep might have a few reservations about retaining the name.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
17 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

OMG! ha

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
16 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Judging by the render above, I thought it was going to be called RAV4 or Rogue.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
9 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

If it’s still going to be the most carlike crossover in the Jeep line, then Eagle is right there.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
8 hours ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Good God, yeah, why the hell haven’t they used that? Jeep is all about rock, flag, & eagle

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
19 hours ago

My initial gut feeling is that not a whole lot is going to happen anytime soon. Other than being a public embarrassment throughout his first administration and acting like the overgrown child he is, Trump didn’t actually do all that much. At the end of the day he doesn’t actually want this job. He didn’t want it in 2016 and he doesn’t want it now.

He just sits in front of a TV all day and stews in his grievances. When it comes to policy he cares about two things: owning the libs and listening to his handlers. He’ll say and do outrageous, stupid, and dangerous things because he’s an impulsive idiot and he wants to please his cult…but he will probably just govern like any other Republican.

Same shit since Reagan. Cut taxes for the rich, let corporations do whatever they want, erode labor protections, make more people poor, let minorities die, you know…oligarchy stuff. He’s got Musk absolutely blasted on ketamine screaming into one ear and the Bannons of the world screaming into the other, in addition to whatever culture war hunk of red meat is blowing up freedom dot com and the symbol formerly known as Twitter or whatever.

I don’t think the end result will lead to a whole lot of coherent policy changes. It didn’t last time either. He and his handlers/hangers on will obsess over undoing everything Biden did and get caught up in whatever the grievance of the week is, because that’s all conservatives have anymore. Well, grievances and Saint Reagan, who I’m sure is looking up at them and smiling.

It’s all going to be really fucking stupid, and unfortunately it’s going to disproportionately harm the people that voted for him, but I’m running out of empathy for them. In a lot of left wing circles I occupy there’s a pervasive attitude of “we need to reach these people and not alienate them”…and while I agree with that on principle I’m fucking exhausted with this shit and I’m not going to lose a whole lot of sleep over his cult getting punched in the dick repeatedly, because that’s what they voted for.

Data
Data
19 hours ago

I expect it to be much worse than his first term. In that instance he had people trying to blunt some of his worst impulses. This time around he has surrounded himself with objectively terrible people who seem intent on cheering on his worst impulses.

I also expect when things go pear shaped the Republicans in control of the White House, Senate, House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court will blame the Democrats and the MAGA’s will nod and agree it’s all the libs fault; and maybe it is because they couldn’t field a candidate capable of beating Trump.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
19 hours ago
Reply to  Data

Things in general in the US: very much shit for the majority of people

Voters: we’re sick of the same old and want literally any change

Democrats: you’re ungrateful assholes, the same old is actually fantastic, everything is fine, here’s more of the same.

Republicans: our solutions is let’s blow everything up very loudly and proudly with both middle fingers raised and our tongues out

….and Dems are still sitting around like “Kamala didn’t win because everyone is racist and sexist!” because of course they are.

Parsko
Parsko
18 hours ago

Totes, I am so upset with how the Democrats played this hand, and how they are reacting. No spine, no leadership. The Republican currency is hypocrisy and lies. The Democratic currency is whining and crying. Guess who always wins on the playground?? I also don’t see how “blowing everything up” is going to be helpful in any way.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
19 hours ago

Another Monday, another week of never ending bullshit, lies, and being screwed by the
Big Lie.

Same as it ever was.

Part Two.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
19 hours ago

Wow. I get where you are at and where you are going with that, but, wow. If this “movement” was just an isolated America thing, well then, sure, shit away.

The reality is that a massive change is coming. It’s evidenced by what has been happening in Canada (later dude), Venezuela, Costa Rica, the UK, Germany, the Dutch, etc…

The whole “kumbaya” stuff is important, but it can only go so far before it becomes a problem. Now it is a problem. If nature has taught us anything, it is that the waves/tides ebb and flow, rise and recede. There is going to be a whole shit ton of that in the next two years.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Yes, because those countries have historically been on the cutting edge of good civil rights practices.

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Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago

Don’t start making DT’s ears burn!

But, seriously, mock the Germans all you want. It doesn’t discount the truth.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

I’m not denying that those countries have shifted hard to the right. I’m saying that that shift to the right is due to years of fear mongering campaigns from politicians who have consistently thrown the most vulnerable people in society under the bus. It’s the literal same rhetoric used by Hitler. “We’re all poor because of these groups of people I have decided I don’t like. Here’s why you should hate them, too.”

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago

I don’t think it’s that subtle, lol. It’s more like they put their own people in bad spots, and then brought in foreigners to replace the labor at a fraction. So, now there are even MORE people fighting for the gristle. Especially the foreigners who could give two shits about being productive when they are getting local money for nothing.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Classic conservative move is making up a guy to be mad at and then making sweeping policy decisions to inconvenience that one type of guy you just made up.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago

Am I making it up, though? lol.

There is a large swath of people that are neither “Liberal” or “Conservative”, that are just rational. fyi

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
19 hours ago

What’s going to happen? A lot? A little? Nothing at all?

Probably a lot of the same stuff that happened the first time around, which is to say, tons of infighting in the White House and insanely high levels of turnover, Fearless Leader being carted out to say insane shit every week to distract from the Republicans quietly banning wheelchair ramps or something, and Elon ???????? eventually going full Kanye West and subsequently trying to start a new political party but naming it the ‘Pepe Party’.

JaredTheGeek
JaredTheGeek
19 hours ago

The Chinese companies will just build factories in favorable countries like we do. They will just circumvent the regulations.

Ash78
Ash78
19 hours ago

Steve Bannon hates Musk and thinks he’s evil and needs to go?

Man, I feel so conflicted right now.

JaredTheGeek
JaredTheGeek
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

How truly bad of person do you have to be for Bannon to think you are evil?

Ash78
Ash78
19 hours ago
Reply to  JaredTheGeek

It’s like General Franco complaining about Hitler in 1939. He’s just jelly.

Did I just Godwin this thread in the first 5 minutes?

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
18 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

No, you’re talking about actual Nazis/fascists. Godwin was about specious comparisons between the Holocaust caused by Nazis and whatever else is being discussed.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
19 hours ago
Reply to  JaredTheGeek

You just have to be a liberal.

SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
13 hours ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

By his standard even Reagan was a flaming lib.

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Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
13 hours ago
Reply to  SNL-LOL Jr

Well, he did once join a Hollywood branch of the Communist party by mistake for about 5 minutes.

Cerberus
Cerberus
15 hours ago
Reply to  JaredTheGeek

With such creatures, it’s not a matter of good vs evil or degrees of such. That’s merely the rhetoric they use that translates to: one is mad that the other is doing the same evil thing better than they are/would like to. It’s very similar to the way they accuse others (often falsely) of doing what they, themselves are actually doing.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78
Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

It’s like Frankenstein vs. the Wolfman.

Justin Grady
Justin Grady
15 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

I’m not conflicted, I just got out my popcorn though…. 😀

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
12 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

Musk can make short work of Bannon. Just give him money. A shit-ton of it.

Everyone has their price, after all.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
19 hours ago

In response to your Big Question, let me refer to a quote from your article: “the incoming President has said various things at various points.”

I don’t know what with happen with the next administration. But I am relatively certain it will be chaotic, and tiring, and expensive for most Americans, and enriching for the already rich.

Ash78
Ash78
19 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

I’m curious if the “enriching” part extends to the stock market, because I’m not hopeful — especially since protectionism and trade wars aren’t usually good for the bottom line. It’s also interesting to see how little Biden and team capitalized on the market’s amazing last 2 years. If that had happened under Trump’s watch, we never would have heard the end of it.

V10omous
V10omous
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

One of the upsides of Trump having very few fixed beliefs is that he often backs off from his worst instincts when he senses public opinion, or especially the opinion of his rich backers, going against him.

I could see a true ideologue shrugging off a 20% fall in the S&P to implement a policy they really wanted, but it seems unlikely Trump would be that guy.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Depends, I suppose, if it were to drive home a point to someone.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

You are likely correct. This won’t play well in our vast Subaru community, though. The Subes are angry. Well, as angry as a CVT can get, anyway.

Parsko
Parsko
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

The rich make money on the stock market regardless of which direction it goes. The average person does not have the same power.

V10omous
V10omous
19 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

This is a nice sound bite, but I promise you the loudest screams when the market takes a dive are not from the average person.

Parsko
Parsko
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

It’s hard to scream if you are suddenly trying to figure out how to feed your family.

V10omous
V10omous
19 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

I’m quite confident that the number of people who rely directly on the stock market’s day to day performance to literally feed their families rounds to zero.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I dunno. There is a whole cottage industry in the Billions trading daily on stuff like the price of wheat and such. Let’s not forget about the whole FOREX industry, which isn’t zero either…

V10omous
V10omous
18 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Is a bad day or two going to make those traders destitute personally?

If it is, then they should probably try something else instead.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Eh, the thrill of the hunt. And, coke, obv.

It does exist in substantial numbers, though.

Ash78
Ash78
18 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

In a low-housing-cost area, the stock market very quickly became the biggest part of our nest egg. So while I’m not feeding my kids from it today, I’m increasingly reliant on it in the long run (or even for job loss, via hardship withdrawals). Yeah, I’m getting increasingly conservative with investments as college and/or retirement approach.

Parsko
Parsko
17 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

This is exactly my point. The poor typically rent, and might have a 401k, might.

Hence, all your value is vested in your stock. If that stock tanks, you lose that nestegg. Meanwhile, the rich just lose more money, and can easily still feed themselves. Meanwhile, people like yourself (and ME) suddenly have no backup plan, hence them suddenly trying to “figure out how to feed their family”.

I lost my job this year. Fired with cause. I was on social services despite having a 3 month (what they suggest you have) savings in the bank. I got a job, but am now $10k more in debt, with zero savings. If I did not get a job when I did, I would have been taking withdrawals.

That scenario is not a huge leap from most of our readers. I am cringing at what is going to happen to the “normal” people living in the LA area that now ONLY have that 401k, when it is probably going to take a dive in the ensuing months (my prediction). It’s not going to be good, and I suspect no one will have any sympathy for them.

How about the consequences of the hurricanes??? How is that going for them???

(sorry, thinking out loud, so-to-speak)

Rapgomi
Rapgomi
17 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Tax cuts for the rich are sugar water for the stock market. That’s why it performed well in Trumps first term despite a near crash of the farm economy.

SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
13 hours ago
Reply to  Rapgomi

I mean, who would have imagined that if you start a trade war against the biggest buyer of US farm products, said buyer may not be so enthusiastic anymore about your farm products?

Scruffinater
Scruffinater
19 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

If the stock market was logical you’d be right. It did just fine on average during Trump’s last term with plenty of trade wars and protectionism. There was lots of volatility yes, but the market went up and to the right just fine. My best bet is more of the same this time, definitely the volatility part.

Alexk98
Alexk98
19 hours ago

I suspect nothing of much consequence will happed for the next 3-6 months, there will be a lot of talk, maybe a few executive actions, but not a lot of seriously impactful things going on until late summer. After that, all bets are off, and I would be highly suspect of anyone who’s bold enough to predict what the administration or congress will do by August, there’s so many moving parts, and it’s clear already this administration and cabinet will be defined by more churn than a butter factory.

V10omous
V10omous
19 hours ago

In a compromise sure to make everyone mad (the true Stellantis way), the new Cherokee production facility will be announced as being in the future state of Greenland.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Or just throw some wheels on the country and call it “Wagoneer G.”

(does that make any sense, no, but then that’s modern Wagoneer)

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
19 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I mean, Canada’s already the 51st state.

Strangek
Strangek
14 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I was hoping for a new factory somewhere along the Gulf of America.

Data
Data
19 hours ago

The X-Files covered this. The smoking man controls everything, including the winner of the Super Bowl.

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
19 hours ago
Reply to  Data

Well, they are quite fond of smoking in Detroit. So that’s a good sign!

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
18 hours ago
Reply to  Data

Was joking with my wife the other day that we should never bet on the Bills!

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