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Why The New BMW M5’s Lower Grille Is Actually Weirder Than Its Main Grille

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While on the Concept Lawn at Pebble Beach yesterday I stumbled upon the new BMW M5 Touring — the green wagon that’s been making waves all over the internet. And while normally you might expect me to talk about its gorgeous wagon shape or its humongous girth or its powerful 717 horsepower engine or its interior, what actually caught my attention was the car’s cooling system — specifically, the way the cooling module is packaged in the lower front fascia. Let’s have a look.

Back when I was developing the the Jeep Wrangler cooling system, we were having some issues meeting our trailer tow targets (basically, we wanted to tow 3500 pounds up Davis Dam, an ~11 mile,  ~5.7-percent grade at 100F with AC on). We tried enabler after enabler to fix our capacity problem that was fundamentally caused by our limited  packaging space above the front bumper and behind the seven-slotted grille — better heat exchanger-to-front end module sealing, a higher-power fan, larger grille openings, a different transmission shift schedule, and on and on. A given in all the calculations was that the front grille would be similar to the JK Wrangler’s in that it would have no texture.

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Like this:

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2017 Jeep Wrangler boasts LED headlamps.

Notice how the transmission oil cooler and AC condenser are clearly visible, since there’s no grille texture in those seven slots. That’s fairly unusual for most cars, as designers typically love grille texture, which is why the the production JL Wrangler launched like this:

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I have to say, I was surprised. We’d only been marginal on the J2807 towing requirement; how could we afford to reduce airflow to the cooling module by adding texture? The truth is that our simulation models probably had a bunch of safety factors baked into every level of the design (the fan airflow, the heat exchanger performance, the CFD for the front end, etc etc), and all those safety factors (or “margins”) stacked up to yield a cooling system that was overdesigned (this model fidelity issue is, in my view, part of why Chrysler products have been historically so heavy — if you can’t trust your models, you have to overbuild the car). This likely became apparent when physical mules began hitting the dyno, and then whoever replaced me realized that airflow was totally fine and that the designers who were champing at the bit to add grille textures were good to go.

 

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Anyway, the point here is that grille texture reduces airflow to heat exchangers markedly, but is typically a darling to designers and it also offers the practical benefit of protecting the heat exchangers from road debris. Most vehicles have grille texture, and the few that don’t — including the JK Wrangler — only have small individual grille openings (slots in this case). That’s why I was surprised to see the new M5:

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Holy cow; look at that humongous lower grille opening! I’ve never seen an unobstructed grille opening that big in my entire life (well, on a modern car)! This M5 sucks in air like a blue whale sucks in krill — with mouth agape!

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It’s worth briefly digging into the M5’s front cooling design, because it’s extremely interesting. In those huge rectangular openings you can see an AC condenser, and while there is no texture whatsoever, you’ll see a nylon cage right up against the heat exchanger, protecting it from debris. Just to the left of that opening you can see a smaller rectangular opening; that feeds the front brakes cool air. To the left of that in the diagonal slot is another opening for remote-mounted heat exchangers, and to the left of that on the very outboard side of the front fascia is an air skirt to route air past the front wheels for improved aerodynamics.

Here’s a look at the nylon cage in the main opening, protecting the AC condenser:

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Notice that the floor of this opening is another heat exchanger! (an oil cooler, of sorts). This is the same design that I showed off in the Cadillac ATS-V, and it’s actually kind of brilliant. As air enters that huge grille opening, it “rams” up against the condenser, whose restriction creates a high pressure. The difference between this high pressure in front of the condenser and the low pressure from the high-velocity air moving below the front fascia as the car drives “pulls” air through this horizontally-oriented oil cooler. It’s clever.

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Here’s a look inside one of the brake cooling ducts; you can make out (barely) part of a control arm in the wheel well, where the duct ends:

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The diagonal slots outboard of the brake cooling ducts house heat exchangers — possibly remote-mounted radiators, of sorts:

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Here in the wheel well you can see where the heat exchanger diagnose slot exhausts, and you can see the brake cooling duct outlet:

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And here you can see the outlet of one of the side skirts meant to “smooth” out flow just outboard of the wheels to improve aerodynamics:

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Other things I noticed when looking at the new M5 Touring — the engine is a ridiculously tightly-packaged “Basket of Snakes”:

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And the rear cargo area is gigantic, making this a seriously useful performance wagon:

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I did happen to spot a BMW M2 in the Pebble Beach parking lot on my way out, and it has a very similar setup. Still, while the openings are big, they’re not M5 huge:

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I say in the Instagram reel above that the M5 has the biggest unobstructed grille opening of any car I’ve ever seen. I’m mostly referring to modern production cars when I say that, because look at the Model T and other cars from the early 1900s:

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The whole grille is the radiator!

Anyway, that was just a quick peek at the M5’s cooling system. Most cars’ lower grilles are bigger than their upper ones (upper ones are often completely blocked off, though the M5’s isn’t), but few cars have completely wide-open apertures, especially not ones that big. I didn’t see any engineers around, so I couldn’t really get into which radiators are where, how everything is plumbed, what went into that gaping grille opening decision, etc. But I figured it was worth sharing anyway.

P.S. Jason is convinced that cats will walk into that opening and sit on the oil cooler for warmth in the winter.

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Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
30 days ago

“There are no cats in America!”

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
30 days ago

I’m seeing a lot of gray area in terminology here. We have “grille,” “vent,” “slot,” “texture,” and “cage” in play, either from David directly or in the comments.

A Jeep Wrangler clearly has seven slots. We could and do call them combined a grille. A behind that is a screen-y thing with ~5 mm openings which is not the grille, and it has been stated it gets called a texture. But what about half the vehicles out there, which just have a great big screen-y thing with ~5 mm openings across the front of the vehicle? Is that not a grille, as one usually calls it, but just a texture?

Or, how about the “cage” in front of the M5’s heat exchanger. That’s a cage because why? How far in front of the exchanger does it have to be before it’s a texture? Or a grille for that matter?

Not complaining, just noting. Are there actual solid, consistent industry definitions for these elements?

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAthenGTIthenA4nowS5
WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAthenGTIthenA4nowS5
30 days ago

Hot take: That M2 front is uglier than the M3/4 buckteeth.

Funkmobile
Funkmobile
30 days ago

By “hot,” I think you mean, “sensible.” 🙂

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
30 days ago

Tallest person with dwarfism.

Jatco Xtronic CVT
Jatco Xtronic CVT
30 days ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

I don’t get it

NoMoreSaloons
NoMoreSaloons
30 days ago

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Vee
Vee
1 month ago

Considering the space afforded and surface area required, my question is why did they choose a single piece in a strictly vertical orientation? It seems to me that splitting it into two different radiators placed further outboard and angling them backwards would have been the better option, because you could more directly control the airflow without the need of such a massive drag inducing inlet by reusing the brake ducts to introduce more air across the surface. Inductive heat control isn’t as effective when the air’s just slamming into the face of the heat sink compared to the air flowing through the space between the fins and pulling the energy away.

It almost feels bruteforced. Like they’re just scaling up obsolete practices from the 1970s.

Alexk98
Alexk98
1 month ago

P.S. Jason is convinced that cats will walk into that opening and sit on the oil cooler for warmth in the winter.

But why would they choose the exterior of a new M5 when they have the nice cozy interior of a Jeep in a parking lot lying untouched for many months instead?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
30 days ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Because they’re cats.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

Oh the horror of trying to remove exploded rabbit, groundhog, squirrel, etc. from that intake. Yikes.

Cam.man67
Cam.man67
30 days ago

Carroll Shelby reportedly hit a buzzard in a 427 Cobra at 170mph. That had a pretty open grille too, but I can’t even imagine how bad the carnage must have been in the driver seat.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago

Is it a grille when there’s no actual – uh – grille?

Seems to me this is just an intake vent
A very fucking large intake vent.

When you get a chunk of blown tire or small animal flying into that vent smashing against the radiator – you’ll wish BMW had put a grille over that vent.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
30 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Just use chicken wire. Boom. Done. How do I tell BMW where to send my check?

Angular Banjoes
Angular Banjoes
1 month ago

This seems to be a thing with new BMWs. I’m constantly worried about a rock or some other road debris blowing a hole through the radiator/oil cooler on my G87. There are a bunch of aftermarket solutions for this, but I’m also worried about an aftermarket grille reducing airflow, and considering that I live in a desert, I feel like reducing airflow to cooling components is a bad idea.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 month ago

100% that heat exchanger is getting destroyed by a small rock, nylon cage will do absolutely nothing. This is a ~200mph car so in contrast to that Model T, rocks will be missiles.

Remember the Corvette soon after launch?

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2021/012921_9b.jpg

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Anders
Anders
1 month ago

Is this actually the new M-division snow plough? Front spoiler scoops up the snow and the heat exchanger both melts the snow and lets the melted water flow through it. Genius.

pizzaman09
pizzaman09
1 month ago
Reply to  Anders

I was going to say, I’d hate to drive this through deep snow. I have twice nearly overheated cars driving them through deep enough snow where snow would pack around the radiator to the point of no airflow through it.

Before you say that’s a ridiculous thing to do with an M5, I used to daily drive my e39 M5 in the winter and plowed many roads with it’s low front end. Nowadays I do that with an e36 M3.

Peter d
Peter d
30 days ago
Reply to  pizzaman09

My e39 5-series and my e46 3-series were great in the snow.

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
30 days ago
Reply to  Anders

Yes, and the “snow” (cocaine) gets routed straight to the driver for convenience!

ReverendDC
ReverendDC
1 month ago

Wagon. Sold. The Correct Form Of Car.©

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 month ago

Has anyone pointed out that DT wrote that this thing has 7117hp yet?

Anyone?

They have? Carry on then.

Tangent
Tangent
1 month ago

Since most owners won’t be using all 7117 horsepower all the time, (I mean exactly where would you use that much power except maybe the Ehra-Lessien test track where they did several Bugatti high speed runs?) I’m betting the aftermarket will have grilles to protect the coolers from road debris in no time. They’re not uncommon for M2s.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago

its powerful 7117 horsepower engine

That *is* impressive. 😮

I appreciate the use of hats for scale in the topshot.

And Jason is very likely not wrong about the feline infiltration.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

“Feline Infiltration” sounds like a new album from some slightly odd indie band.

Data
Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

I think “They Might Be Giants” could do a song and album based on this.
A woman came up to me and said I’d like to poison your mind with wrong ideas that appeal to you though I am not unkind.

As an aside, I originally heard the lyric as “A worm came up to me…”. Because it was TMBG, I didn’t find it odd at all.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago
Reply to  Data

Blue Canary in the outlet by the lightswitch..

I can see how a the worm might now have phased you 😀

Mollusk
Mollusk
1 month ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Thank you for this afternoon’s earworm.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Possibly 🙂

But it does bring up an interesting question, related to an article we had a few days ago about the Rimac Nevera R’s 2100+hp; how far can the engineers go?

This will be a moving target, of course. I think Mercedes was correct when she called the Rimac a “spec monster” but in 50 years will people be looking at it and lamenting that it had “only” 2107hp? Perhaps not, but we’ve seen comments on this site dismissing vehicles that have a mere 200hp, which not long ago was fairly respectable, so I guess we’ll need to wait and see.

V10omous
V10omous
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

At some point the limits of streetable tire traction and/or of median human perception will be reached and acceleration numbers will stop decreasing.

0-60 is already fairly meaningless when manufacturers have to parse 0.01 of a second differences (Lucid Air in 1.89, Rimac in 1.85, etc). At what point is that indistinguishable?

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 month ago
Reply to  V10omous

That’s why supercar manufacturers are going back to basics. Raw performance, especially acceleration, has been rendered irrelevant by even economy EVs. Nowadays you see more and more supercars going for the “driving experience” and not raw performance. Manual transmissions are making a comeback, lightness, ground effects, engine sounds, interior materials.

I am very happy for this. One unintended side effect EVs had over exotics.

V10omous
V10omous
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

Manual transmissions are making a comeback, lightness, ground effects, engine sounds, interior materials.

Other than Gordon Murray’s unobtanium car, who is really doing this?

I wish it were true, but the opposite seems to be the case.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 month ago
Reply to  V10omous

https://www.theautopian.com/the-hottest-thing-in-cars-is-the-manual-transmission/

There are many other articles from around mid-last year about manual transmissions getting more and more popular in sports cars.

And I don’t recall which podcast I was listening to where they quoted an interview with one of the exotic’s CEO (it was one of the smaller ones like Pagani, but not sure) and he admitted that EV performance has made them rethink what their customers want in an exotic.

Remember in the 70’s and 80’s how Ferraris and Lambos had shitty plastic interiors with afterthought parts bin stuff? People forgave all that because there was no other way to accelerate and corner that fast. The more analog nature of them wasn’t intentional, it was a limitation of the era which is something we now crave for.

V10omous
V10omous
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

Those articles are about values of used exotics with manuals rising, presumably because no new ones are being made. Even mid price stuff with 3 pedals is disappearing (Camaro, Corvette, Challenger, next gen Boxster, etc)

At some point I guess sustained demand for used cars might mean that Ferrari & Lamborghini might bring one back for a new car, but I’ll need to see it to believe it.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 month ago
Reply to  V10omous

It may not have been this podcast, but it touches on the same points: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/podcast/are-manual-gearboxes-making-a-small-comeback

And it’s about new cars, not resale value. But I’m pretty sure supercar manufacturers are keeping a very close eye on the second hand market right now.

Bonus small article from Hagerty: https://www.hagerty.com/media/never-stop-driving/never-stop-driving-41-the-stickshift-revival/

Last edited 1 month ago by Eric Gonzalez
Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
30 days ago
Reply to  A. Barth

In the face of 300hp Camrys and 1,000hp Teslas, I find myself caring less and less about speed and acceleration. It seems like such a strange circle jerk of uselessness. My daily driver has like 110hp and it’s fine.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Shhh, no such thing. I want to test a 7117 HP car! Or wait…Ford, if you’re reading this, a 7,000 HP F-150, please?

Data
Data
1 month ago

You blip the throttle and the tires instantly immolate. The Ford F-150 Lightning Storm backed by a soundtrack of AC/DC’s Thunderstruck.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Can confirm. The Torch speaks the truth here.

Dr. Dan
Dr. Dan
1 month ago

This is all well and fine unless you do any track day driving (that mesh cage over the condenser is no match for rubber debris) or drive in autumn/fall. Leaves will plug up those coolers quickly.

V10omous
V10omous
1 month ago

How is BMW so bad at making cars that are both functional and reasonably decent looking? I’m not even asking for gorgeous; I know compromises need to be made for the sake of performance.

Put another way, why is Cadillac able to make a sedan with similar power without looking so weird?

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago
Reply to  V10omous

BMW is all in on the Chinese market, where more is always more. No design is too gaudy for the luxury buyers over there. If you have it you flaunt it as loudly as possible, the idea of stealth wealth is absolutely not a thing. So they keep pushing the most outrageous designs possible in the hopes of them selling well in China, and everywhere else suffers with their visual war crimes as a result.

V10omous
V10omous
1 month ago

I’ve heard that explanation before and I buy it to an extent, but it seems ironic to me that many of the Chinese companies’ own cars, even flagships, are nothing like this.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
30 days ago

It’s not even true anymore. The X///M sells terribly in China—the US is its biggest market. I think it’s time for us to start looking in a mirror.

https://i.imgur.com/lE4FZlJ.png

Last edited 30 days ago by Alexander Moore
Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago
Reply to  V10omous

Adrian van Hooydonk is a menace and has been since the E65.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago
Reply to  Citrus

Is he Tyrone’s brother?

pizzaman09
pizzaman09
30 days ago
Reply to  Citrus

The e65 and it’s little bro the e60 ruined BMW. There hasn’t been a handsome BMW since.

Citrus
Citrus
30 days ago
Reply to  pizzaman09

And then they promoted the guy credited for their designs to design director. It’s all down to von Hooydonk

Stryker_T
Stryker_T
1 month ago

in the cat’s favor though, is the fact that it is just a big open area so a person would easily see that there is something in there and the cat (or whatever) can just easily escape once the car is turned on or starts to move.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
1 month ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

Plus, no mice eating your engine sensor wires!

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

Also brings a whole new meaning to cat-back exhaust

DV
DV
1 month ago

The Mazda CX-30 has a gaping lower grille opening. It doesn’t even have the dignity of a nylon debris filter. A lot of people (including yours truly) buy aftermarket lower grille inserts that match the upper grille to both make it look less bad and to protect against errant rocks and stones.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago
Reply to  DV

Same here. Back round 05 I took a bit of left over screens and aluminum from wrecked IROC cars and built 2 sets of inserts for the Toyota trucks we had. The trucks each had huge air dams and huge lower air intake areas which exposed the cooling systems. Long story short a lot of folks wanted these once they saw them, but the cost of labor and materials stopped most.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
1 month ago

Isn’t this going to take a tremendous number of rocks, damaging all of that intricate plumbing?

Angrycat Meowmeow
Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago

Man, I love the M2. If I wasn’t a family man I’d sell my S5 for one right now.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago

I love the G87 and don’t get the hate. It’s a little too heavy for sure but by modern standards it’s not THAT bad. The S58 is a gem of an engine, I think it looks great (again, I don’t get the hate), it comes in some great colors (Zandvoort blue is divine), and it’s a a weapon on the track.

If you go easy on the options it’s not that expensive for what it is either. You can have a base one for like 65k. I’d have one in my driveway right now if I wasn’t a newly minted family man. Hell I’m trying to convince my wife that I’ll be able to make a coupe work when the kids are still small, but she’s not buying it yet.

I have a feeling that I’ll wind up eventually looking at the Mustang sedan if it’s really happening, the straight 6 version of the new Charger sedan, and, lo and behold…an S5. I think the new one looks fantastic and the fact that it’s a hybrid is icing on the cake. DC taxes cars with 20 or less city MPG out the ass (ask me how I know lol) and I do try to be conscientious of my carbon footprint.

I’m sure with the new not so mild hybrid tech it’ll probably get mid 20s city MPG in practice, which would be fantastic for my needs and conscience lol.

Last edited 1 month ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
Angrycat Meowmeow
Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago

Lol I had the same thought re: coupes yesterday. I kinda wanna pick up a B8.5 RS5. I feel like we might be at/near the price bottom (for good examples) and they are sure to be collectible later on. Easily the best looking generation, with an NA V8 that screams to 8.300 RPM, and you can grab a nice one for less than $30k.Throw an RSNav in it and you’ve got all the modernity you need.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago

I saw a certified current gen RS5 sedan listed in the high 40s a couple of weeks ago and thought long and hard about it. It had a minor hit on the CarFax but reasonable mileage and had had all of its preventative maintenance.

Angrycat Meowmeow
Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago

The 2018’s have rocker arm issues. I don’t think it’s really a big deal or all that widespread, but it’s a huge fear in the community so people are staying away from them and nobody wants to buy an ’18. Tons of 2018 CWGD engines out there, in Porsche’s too, but only the (R)S4/5 guys seem to be freaking out.

Beer-light Guidance
Beer-light Guidance
1 month ago

As long as the kids are in the bucket seats a coupe can work fine. Get them all strapped in then just click the bucket into the base and you are on your way. The rear-facing, non-bucket phase is a major pain in the butt.

Angular Banjoes
Angular Banjoes
1 month ago

I have one, and it’s pretty spectacular. Kinda chonky, but you don’t really feel the weight when you’re hustling it. Plus, the S58 is a fantastic engine. Just get one, the kids will fit in the back seat!

Last edited 1 month ago by Angular Banjoes
Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
30 days ago

There’s also always the option of either of us going with an X3M and getting the same engine without the form factor compromises….but dear god is the gas mileage ghastly. 16/24 or whatever the M2 gets is bad but tolerable….X3Ms get 14/19 which is supercar territory lol.

Angular Banjoes
Angular Banjoes
30 days ago

Yeah, fuel economy is definitely not a strong point for the M2. I seem to get around 17 mpg or so, but I also don’t exactly drive it with economy in mind. I actually didn’t realize that the X3M was that bad. I think my 4Runner gets better mileage than that, which is really saying something.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
30 days ago

It’s a little odd to me because the B58 is so damn efficient and the S58 is basically just that with stronger internals, a second turbo, and a few tweaks. But it turns in mileage that’s similar to a V8.

To be fair absolutely no one is buying them for efficiency’s sake, but I won’t lie…I look at the B58 powered M lites and wonder how much I’d really be giving up for significantly better fuel economy. It definitely adds up.

TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
30 days ago

I have the baby M most people seem to dislike (’21 F44) but it’s what fit my needs (AWD not RWD) and the car has been fantastic. It’s got plenty of power, it makes fun pops and bangs, the trunk swallows up cargo with ease, the stereo sounds incredible and it gets ~33-35mpg on the highway.

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago

Jason is likely correct – street cats are always looking for somewhere warm. It’s why my local rescue recommends tapping on the hood before driving in winter.

It might actually be safer for the cats, just because it’s a big opening and there aren’t any belts, so if the engine starts they run off without worry of moving parts ruining their day.

Dottie
Dottie
1 month ago

At that low angle, the M5 looks like it’s going to ask if I have any games on my phone

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago

Jason makes a lot of sense. Of course, I not sure how many M5s will be parked outside where chilly kitties might find access. At least, not for 5 years or so.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago

Well considering that the “main grille” is mostly just black plastic, it doesn’t surprise me that the lower opening is larger. Most cars have fake grilles or grilles that are mostly fake anyway.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago

5,300 pounds

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
1 month ago

Blue Whale analogy seems to work here as well.

Wow, that’s about 1,000 lbs more than my Chevy Colorado. Staggering for a sports sedan.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago

It’s roughly the same weight as a Chevy Tahoe

Last edited 1 month ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
1 month ago

Well, with a 7117 horsepower engine it should be able to carry that weight along just fine.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago

It is actually slightly slower than the last generation, pure ICE one. In true German fashion they have somehow made it slower, uglier, more complicated, and heavier than its predecessors. I’m sure it’ll be plenty fast but if I owned one I’d have the absurd running costs in the back of my head at all times…because German maintenance hits different and the damn thing is going to absolutely incinerate consumables because of its obesity.

And you just know that BMW is going to have some bespoke tire made for it that will cost $500+ a piece and will be a slick after 3-4 launches…

Nhizzat
Nhizzat
1 month ago

Plus another 343 lbs.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago

Yeah, that’s a Bugeye wrx AND an ea81 GLF.
Big nope for me even if I were willing to pony up the cost

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago

If only it cost that much.
Or was that the quote for an oil change?

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

well played.

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