Good morning, and welcome to another edition of Shitbox Showdown! Today we’re looking at two two-door coupes, both with V6 engines and front-wheel-drive. Which one makes a better personal luxury ride on a budget? That’s what we’re here to find out.
We ended last week with a battle of so-called daily drivers, which to most people would be anything but. It was a Minor victory for the British, as the Morris took home the win, largely because of its more familiar control layout. But the good old Model T had plenty of supporters, too.
As for me, I have to take the Minor. Why? Because my wife wants one. She’s had a thing for them ever since I took her to her first All-British Field Meet back in Portland, and she got to know all the various cars. As such, it’s another car on my list of potential restorations someday, though I think I’d seek out a Traveler or a pickup.
Now then: Personal luxury coupes have fallen out of favor in the market these days, but once upon a time, they were huge. And I don’t just mean the aircraft-carrier-like dimensions of a Lincoln Mark IV or boat-tail Buick Riviera. Almost every manufacturer wanted a piece of the action at one time or another, from the Mercedes 500 SEC all the way down to the Plymouth Sapporo. They may be gone from showrooms, but non-sporty two-door coupes still dot the used-car landscape. Let’s check out a couple of them.
1988 Acura Legend L – $4,000
Engine/drivetrain: 2.7-liter overhead cam V6, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Sacramento, CA
Odometer reading: 98,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
When Honda launched its upscale Acura brand back in 1986, it started with two models: a small sporty car called the Integra, and a luxurious sedan called the Legend. A year later, the Legend was offered in two-door coupe form as well. Ironically, Honda got the names backward; the Integra became a legend, and the Legend became the RL, and is barely remembered these days.
The first-generation Legend is powered by a V6 engine, a first for Honda, displacing 2.7 liters. I remember how big of a deal it was in the auto magazines back then that Honda was making a V6. It was available with either a five-speed manual or a four-speed automatic; this one is an automatic. It runs great, according to the seller, and it has only 98,000 miles on the odometer. Sadly, it does have a salvage title, for an undisclosed reason. It’s probably worth asking, though.
The Legend was also an early adopter of airbags; the coupe had one in 1987. This means the Legend was spared the indignity of the automated seatbelts foisted upon the Integra a few years later. It’s got nice leather upholstery, and the rest of the interior looks good as well.
It looks nice and clean outside too, making the salvage title even more mysterious. California will ding the title for a theft recovery, so it might not have ever been wrecked. I suppose it doesn’t matter much on a thirty-six-year-old car, but some insurance agents won’t cover salvaged cars. Probably best to find out before you buy.
1994 Pontiac Grand Prix SE – $3,795
Engine/drivetrain: 3.1-liter overhead valve V6, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Yaphank, NY
Odometer reading: 79,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
GM’s W-body Grand Prix was sort of the opposite of the Legend. It came only as a coupe to begin with, then added a four-door sedan a couple years later. It seemed weird at the time since the Grand Prix nameplate had only been used on coupes before that. It’s also the first time the Grand Prix was driven by its front wheels, which I think upset traditionalists more than the additional doors.
Lots of engines were available in the W-bodies, especially early on, but the majority of them came with GM’s 60-degree pushrod V6 and an automatic. For 1994, that meant a displacement of 3.1 liters, and a 4T60 overdrive automatic. It’s not an exciting combination, but it gets the job done. This ad is frustratingly short on information; it just says “everything works.” I suppose with fewer than 80,000 miles on the clock, it ought to.
Inside, it’s classic mid-1990s GM: kinda cheesy, with lots of buttons, hard gray plastic, and fuzzy upholstery. At least you know what you’re getting. It’s not all bad, though; GM seats are mighty comfy, and its air conditioning will freeze you right out of the car. This one is in good condition, but that tree air freshener does worry me a bit. Those things are never covering up anything good.
Outside, the seller calls it “pristine,” which is maybe not quite the word I would use; the rear bumper looks more faded than the rest of it, and it looks like it might need front tires. But for the price, it’s not bad at all.
Coupes fell out of fashion because they’re a hard sell to anyone who wants to use the back seat; if you’ve ever had to crawl in and out of the back of these things, you understand exactly why calling “shotgun” was a big deal. But there’s no denying that they look better than their four-door relatives, and they’ll certainly stand out in today’s crowd of same-old four-door crossovers. Which one would you pick?
(Image credits: sellers)
The Acura uses a timing belt. The GP a chain. The Acura is Salvage. The GP is not. Parts may be more expensive and harder to find for the Acura. The GP ….Rock Auto, Parts Geek. GP cheaper. For the win …..
The Legend is probably the better choice, but I want that wonderfully gaudy Grand Prix. Leave it to Pontiac to make an aggressive and completely over the top exterior and pair it with an interior that’s as bland as a fleet spec Lumina.
Acura all the way. We had an 88 coupe 5 speed, fantastic car, handled well, comfortable on the highway. sweet engine.
The GP is probably the safer bet, but I’m going with the Acura. I owned a 94 Grand Prix in GTP form. Even in the sportier trim it was underwhelming.
I very nearly bought an identical 94 Grand Prix as my first “good” car in 1998. It had the distinction of being the first fuel injected car I ever drive, when I took it for a test drive. I picked this because of that, and also the salvage title on the Legend. Which is, incidentally, the reason I didn’t buy my 94 GP.
Definitely the Legend. An even more legendary find would be it’s more unreliable cousin, the Rover 800 Coupe.
Might have to settle for a Sterling! Lol
As a NASCAR fan its the Grand Prix for me. You know what would have been great though An Acura Legend NASCAR
The GP doesn’t have enough options for me to want it, and my daily is an RL so it would be awesome to have a Legend coupe. It’s also old enough I’m not too concerned about whatever marked the title salvage.
Ya’ll are voting for a salvage title over the Pontiac? I’m biased as I always wanted one of these generation, don’t get me wrong the Legend would be my jam (esp with a 5 speed).
Yeah the white was turning me off of the Acura already, but the salvage sealed the deal. I’m not touching that for more than the GP. Plus I have always loved those coupes!
Legend has it …
BTW, definitely opt for a Traveler or pickup with the Moggy, both are better looking and more useful that the sedan.
Personally, I’d jump down to the Traveler/pickup version of the Mini because it’s easy to upgrade those with a Honda drivetrain, but you be you.
I’ve seen a Moggie with a Rover V8, mind. Just sayin… 😉
That just has Wiley Coyote written all over it.
Oh, I don’t know as how it was a particularly safe mode of transport (Narrator: It was not). But it was shiny black with a red interior, jacked at the back and riding on fat slot mags. It was great.
Sounds like it must have resembled a mini ‘39 Chevy hotrod. I’ll bet it did look great.
College friend drove a Gen -1 Legend sedan, it was light years better than my W-body Regal in every conceivable way. Acura FTW.
Even with the salvage title and janky spoiler I think I need to go with peak Honda, although the Grand Prix is a perfectly reasonable choice. I don’t want both, but I could go with either.
Man, the front end of that Legend looks a lot like my 94 Accord, maybe because they’re both white. I hate working on transverse mounted V6s so no vote today
I think it was a few years from Rapper legendary ACK Legend status, but I would still rather have the Acura here. though that title status would definitely play into reduced pay negotiations.
Voted Acura, but what’s up with that “spoiler”? Was that stock?
I mean the Dodge challenger style automatic shift missed your attention? But to answer the question, yes that is a rather rare KA3/KA4 rear spoiler it appears. you could probably sell that alone for 300 or so.
A close one for me. The Acura looks like it’s in good shape and the title could be from something minor on an old car. The Pontiac is a little on the plain side as far as they go; even the same spec a year older would have the cockpit-style dash with control pods. But even if it did have that, I think I’d need more of the gadgets it had on offer to choose it over the Acura.
“but that tree air freshener does worry me a bit. Those things are never covering up anything good.”
You’ll find one in every car. You’ll see.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mxs6A1byIo
I voted GP but regret it. I love 80s Hondas, but forget this is probably fuel injected, which saves it.
I’ll take the Acura. It is a far nicer vehicle than the Grand Prix. These vehicles really aren’t in the same league. I’m also not concerned about the salvage title. I see two options:
One – the event (whatever it is) happened in the past. Even if it is a flood or severe crash damage, the car has passed the test of time.
Two – it is a recent wreck. Given this car’s value, damn near any damage would have totaled it. If it was severely damaged, no one would have undergone the expense to rebuild it to sell for $4k.
I would make sure the salvage title wasn’t due to a recent flood, but beyond that, I couldn’t care less. I’m also not concerned about insurance issues. I only need liability on a $4k car. I don’t think it will be a problem to get a liability only policy on this car.
I am curious if the salvage title actually matters in this matchup. I’ll admit I am biased against ’90s American cars, but again, I don’t see these cars as in the same league.
A couple years ago a rad-type group posted a CL listing for an early Mercury Villager in California that had a salvage title. I think the listing said it was from a bump in a parking lot a few years prior to that; it was a well-equipped van but also had over 200k, so it wouldn’t take much to salvage it.
I live in CA and I’ve never had an issue insuring salvage beaters for basic liability.
I may have a bias for Pontiacs. Also I really like the style of this gen of Gran Prix when they switched to this front end style. Also a salvage title on the Acura ehhh
this is the correct answer, these cars drove and handled pretty nice, no not acura levels of quality, but they will outlast the heat death of the universe lol
Back in the day, the Legend was worthy of its name. Even with a salvage title, it still wins over the GP.
I really like that era of Honda styling and I just don’t like the front end of the Pontiac. So it was an easy vote for me.
Yeah, agree. To me that was part of the golden age of Honda design.
Close one, if the Poncho had a 3800 it would win the day. But if the Legend had a manual transmission, it would be better than the Grand Prix with a 3800.
But wait, I don’t think the GP was available with a 3800 until the next generation. Only in the Regals, and maybe the Cutlasses?
Anyway, as they sit, give me peak Honda.
Yeah I think the only W cars that got the 3800 were the Buicks.
Until ’97, at that point the GP got it, Regal had it, Century kept the 3.1, Intrigue had a few in the first couple of years but then went to the Shortstar.
Yep, only Buick had the 3800 in the first gen, the 3.4 DOHC would have been the up-option engine for this at the time. Which could have a manual although that combo was dropped by ’94 IIRC.
correct, by this refresh they dropped the manual. I test drove a manual DOHC and almost bought it, fast and drove nice!
My family had an ’87 Legend sedan and it was a damn good car. I miss it.
My very first car was a 1994 Grand Prix SE; you could have put pretty much anything up against this car today and my vote wasn’t going to change.
It helps that this one seems to be a really nice example.