It’s been said that cats have nine lives: the ability to avoid certain death numerous times to improbably see another day. Of course, eventually they’ll fall off of one roof too many, or not be able to play escape artist with some larger animal.
In the automotive world, it would seem that the Chrysler brand is the equivalent of the cat. Faltering by the mid-seventies, it was saved by Ricardo Montalban’s hawking of the Cordoba. Nearly out of business by the end of that decade, the mass of front-wheel-drive Lebarons and minivans saw Chrysler rise to profitability under Lee Iacocca at the beginning of the 80s, only to become a maker of dated-looking also-rans by 1990. True to form, Chrysler didn’t die, as the LH (last hope?) cars of 1993 brought the Chrysler name into the forefront briefly, and when these started to drop off the map the Daimler-Chrysler 300 gave the brand another comeback. The see-saw of fortunes is very cat-like, or like that Uncle Jimmy of yours that always seems to be on his deathbed but never actually succumbs to his ailments.
Ah, but even Uncle Jimmy cannot avoid the reaper forever, and the Chrysler brand seems to most outsiders to also be finally nearing the end. A quick look at Chrysler’s website shows three cars, but one of them (2023 leftover models of the long-in-the-tooth 300) is no longer being produced; the other two are really the same thing (the Pacifica minivan in two flavors), so that’s kind of cheating.
It’s honestly not like stablemate Dodge is doing any better as you can see from its site (which, like Chrysler, also shows a car that has been discontinued).
Reports say that Chrysler will continue to survive, and possibly be an all-electric brand by 2028. An EV crossover called the Airflow is planned for 2025. It’s not a bad looking vehicle but it appears to be something that a person cross shopping a Buick might consider. Named after the streamlined 1934 Chrysler that polarized buyers, this one seems content with going the least-resistance path of “seems like a nice car” or “generic high-end looking SUV” (complete with taillights that look stolen from a Cayenne).
Come on, where’s the soul of the brand? What values from Chryslers near-100-year history could it bring to the table that are sorely missing in the market? We’ll take a look at the best examples of this once-posh marque over the years and find a niche it could fill that’s been ignored by the other Big Three.
Big As A Whale, About To Set Sail
The Chrysler brand might have appeared in 1925, but to anyone GenX or older it’s the big, glitzy, and always slightly sinister cars of the late fifties and sixties that shaped our opinion of the brand, or even more so the upper level of Chrysler called Imperial. People often say “Chrysler Imperial,” yet up until the seventies this was a separate marque created to go head-to-head with Cadillac and Lincoln.
Imperials of the late fifties and early sixties were far more than badge-engineered range-toppers. Even after Chrysler products had shifted to unibody construction, these Imperial retained a substantial box frame connected by crossmembers that reportedly made the car so strong that years later they were later banned in many demolition derbies. The outlandish styling was essentially the magnum opus of designer Virgil Exner. A man behind Mopar’s ‘forward look’ aesthetic, these Imperials featured almost comically massive tailfins and scowling faces. Surprisingly, from the rear the fins actually almost work with the design; “Ex” might have doubled-down on the Jetsons/Futurama look, but he did it well.
These appear in films like The Godfather Part II, the transportation of choice for men that make their money in questionable ways (below, bottom). Even much later an Imperial limousine was used by main antagonist in the Lemony Snicket movie (below, top).
Later Imperials changed to an even more bonkers front end with separate headlamps tucked into a void next to the grille, as our writer Jason described in detail a while back.
If a black Exner-era Imperial were approaching you, that was not a good sign, but if a later 1969-73 model was on your tail you knew to just run for your life. These ultra-clean looking Imperials with a full-width covered-headlight grille were called “fuselage” cars because of how the sides were curved out at the beltline and then tucked inwards as on an aircraft.
Unibody designs didn’t offer nearly the isolation of the body-on-frame Cadillacs and Lincolns; sales were poor by comparison, but if you wanted a car to instill fear in everyone on the street, the Caddys and Continentals had nothing on the 1969 Imperial.
Film and television seemed to perpetrate this image. Can you find any appearance of a “fuselage” Imperial where the car wasn’t part of an organized crime motor pool?
Who would want such a nefarious-looking bad-guy car? Are you kidding? I mean, the minute I could afford a used black W126 Mercedes S-Class sedan like the one in Lethal Weapon, Black Rain and Beverly Hills Cop films with smoked out windows and Monoblocks I emptied my savings to do so. Unlike that new Buick-looking Chrysler Airflow, a “fuselage” Imperial had no interest in appealing to that insurance executive in the white-picket-fence house. Jason pointed out that the even the advertising for the 1969 Imperials seemed aimed at family men that were nonetheless underworld types.
With even the once-intimidating-looking Mercedes products like the S-Class now looking depressingly tame with their current models, Chrysler could assert itself with an ominous yet decedent product. What would it be?
Julio, Get The Stretch
If the Chrysler name seems to be on life support, there’s one type of vehicle that’s now essentially six feet under: the stretched sedan limo. This was once the mainstay of executive transportation and now just a memory (or a beat-to-shit, sagging-in-the-middle example on craigslist for a few grand).
Such machines have been replaced by large luxury SUVs, in particular Cadillac Escalades and Lincoln Navigators. While these are nice to be chauffeured in and generally offer isolation from the outside world, the interiors do tend to feel a bit too close to their lesser Chevy and Ford brethren that have gone more upscale.
Chrysler’s (I mean, Stellantis) RAM division (which I will probably continue to call “Dodge trucks” until the day I die) has always avoided this full-sized 4-door SUV market. There’s never been a RAM Suburban, which is rather a shame since unlike a lot of old Mopar products these RAM trucks really don’t play distant also-ran to the other Big Three. In fact, they often rate higher in consumer surveys and comparisons between their better-known Chevy, GMC, and Ford rivals.
Recently RAM teased us with an EV pickup show car that really caught our attention. This sleek-looking RAM Revolution concept was a pleasure to look at, a totally different take on the full-sized truck that was exciting and different looking yet still highly functional (unlike a certain stainless steel truck offering).
It was when the suicide side doors opened onto the interior that people swooned. With sumptuous seats on sliding tracks and a glass sunroof, this cabin looked more like the inside of a high-end executive car than something you’d carry a cooler of Natty in the bed of. There were even jump seats behind the second row on the back wall of the cab to squeeze in two more people.
Naturally, we were disappointed but hardly surprised when the production version came out shortly afterwards featured very little from the beloved concept beyond the headlights.
To be honest, the features and design of that Revolution EV were all a bit much for a pickup anyway; it seemed more suited to an uber-luxury SUV than a short-bed work-and-play machine.
Are you seeing where this is going?
Needs An “I Brake For Nobody” Bumpersticker
The key to where the Chrysler brand succeeded over the years seems to have been when they offered what nobody else did. The PT Cruiser? The convertible LeBaron (and later the Sebring cabrio)? The cab-forward Concorde and New Yorker LH cars? A rear-drive retro-luxury 300? Laugh if you want, but these all did sell, likely because they were niche products that the other members of the Big Three didn’t have anything to answer with (at least for a time).
I don’t consider Rivian as being indulgently high-end, so it holds true that no U.S. maker is offering a giant luxury EV SUV right now. Cadillac is about to change that with the upcoming Escalada IQ EV, which purports to be a Maybach-like hyper-luxurious three-row machine. Based on the pictures released so far, I can see some possible problems.
First, there’s nothing imposing about the appearance or that honestly sets it apart visually from less expensive offerings (particularly some of the the slick Korean products); the old blunt-faced ICE Escalade looked far more like something driven by a person that could evict you from your apartment. I want massive and obnoxious for my $150,000, or at least something that won’t be confused for a car that costs a third of that.
Secondly, those rear doors look to be about half the width of the ones on my old Mercedes sedan and won’t make getting in and out very limo-like (especially the third row). Ah, but there’s a far bigger quandary; if this uber-wagon is destined for a livery pool, it can’t just stop for a few hours to tank up with electricity. No, I think what the streets of Manhattan need is an EV with a range-extending ICE motor to keep the beast making money.
If we take the RAM Revolution EV as a basis, we have plenty of room for three full rows, as well as a frunk space under the hood. Behind the third row is a large luggage area, but there’s no reason we couldn’t put in a rear-facing fourth row for occasional seating to let this monster carry up to nine or ten passengers when the whole crew wants to hit the next club. The gasoline range extender motor lives under the rear floor.
Now, there’s already going to be a RAM Ramcharger hybrid with a large gasoline engine offered by Stellantis soon. We could easily use this architecture for our Imperial, but I wanted to look at something that possibly didn’t sacrifice as much “frunkspace” for an engine.
You see, the frunk is the key to maximum passenger AND cargo space. In fact, we could even go over the top and offer something not seen since pre-war times: a slide-out and pop-up luggage box for times when people have just too many bags to fit in the frunk.
Few trucks have inspired the compliments that the EV Revolution did when it hit the show circuit, and converting it to an SUV by enclosing the bed to transform it to an SUV doesn’t hurt the look. Naturally, we’ll make modifications to convert it from something suited to navigating Rocky Mountain Park into a vehicle for circling Central Park.
The eyes are the window to the soul, and something without eyes means it’s either trying to hide something terrible or it just has no soul. That kind of face is the one that made the 1969-73 Imperial strike fear in the heart, and our “Imperial Cruiser” SUV will have a similar visage to instill the same feelings in those it approaches.
Just because car lighting now can be any shape or size doesn’t mean that we can’t hide it behind retractable doors; Volvo certainly showed us a car of their own recently that did just that. Framed left and right with similar cathedral-like turn signals, the face of the old “fuselage” car fits quite nicely onto the EV RAM concept; the forward rake is balanced by the angle of the front door cut. Despite today’s overwrought “lighting signatures” and illuminated logos, the Imperial Cruiser refuses to play. Are you gonna tell it to do so?
Without the needed break for the bed on the side of the truck, the Imperial looks much cleaner and really helps to accentuate the tastefully aggressive flared fenders. I really hate riding in cars where the base of the greenhouse is almost at my shoulder, so I brought it down which also has the side benefit of further thinning down the sides of the truck between the wheel arches. A body-colored roof section separates the front glass from the rear quarters, and yes that is an actual opera light I added on the back window. I mean, every fashion trend comes back, right? With today’s LED technology they could offer a soft glow but actually be a bright, functional “porch light” to illuminate the surroundings at night.
“Suicide doors” are the party trick that gives the Imperial minivan-like access to the luxurious interior. The sliding track idea for the seats on the EV Revolution was brilliant, and it can help to quickly convert the interior from a three-row people carrier (or four-row with the cargo area jump seats deployed) to its best application as a limo for two well-pampered second row occupants. Recline your chair and pop up the footrest to sleep or hit the massage function. You’ve got plenty of room, and the side windows can be tinted to near opaque at the touch of a button.
If you’d rather work, you can pull out the folding table, pop out your laptop and cast your screen onto one of the big monitors on the backs of the front row seats. Shades of the old 1967 Imperial with the Mobile Director option!
The dashboard has screens on both sides of the large center screen (I like to have a separation between the driver and passenger’s screens, unlike the new crop of “monoscreens”). A silver-plated analog Omega clock sits below the screen, and the console sweeps in the rear passenger compartment. The analog clock for rear seat passenger sits on the back of the console; it’s actually on the door for the slide-out drinks refrigerator. There’s no reason that any and all of these hallmarks of $500,000 super luxury cars and SUVs can’t be available in a more mass-market Big Three product.
If You Don’t Look Bad, We Don’t Look Good
Eventually, it’s a fact of life that some automotive brands will go the way of Oldsmobile, Mercury, and Plymouth. Maybe Chrysler is beyond saving; the name might not mean anything to anyone under fifty years old. Regardless, let’s give the old school “badass” image one more try. If the public rejects it, there was no longer a reason for Chrysler to exist any longer anyway. I’d rather see it die than transmogrify into some milquetoast American Lexus we don’t need.
My only regret? James Earl Jones is no longer available for advertising as the voice of the Dark Side.
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I’m surprised nobody seems to have done a car with an iris in front of the headlights.
You could dial the amount of light up and down. Little opening for daylight running light mode, or all the way open for high beams.
Well, okay, they’d definitely jam in snown/ice. So that’d be a problem.
Also, on the RAM EV truck concept, that sulcus in front of the, uh, rump fender really ought to earn its existence by doing something. Opening to reveal storage compartments. Folding upward to provide shelter from rain while dealing with a flat. Whatever.
Great idea.
I’m pretty sure James Earl is still available via AI for a price.
Thinner/shorter headlights are more sinister than taller ones.
Used to own a 300M – the solid eyebrow made it look sinister.
You just need to figure out how to invoke his Force Ghost. The real one not the white interloper.
In montreal in the sixties my dad bought two Imperials each a year old from an Italian family that later had some bad luck involving family members being murdered. He loved the cars but switched to New Yorkers as they were cheaper
Would you go start Daddy’s car?
The proposed prototype looks like a cross between a Cybertruck and a DeLorean.
Your point is well taken, though. Those sinister black cars from the 60’s had attitude that nothing has today.
With the passage of time, though, those expensive barges depreciated like crazy right around 1974, and quickly disappeared from the roads when gasoline stopped selling for thirty cents a gallon.
Not sure the intimidating look works with the neuvo riche look at me attitude of the money rich taste poor people today.
I bought my black/black 1988 Panther Town Car from a guy that had a very unknown business. Five year old car with 120,000 miles. He said that it belonged to an associate that apparently no longer worked for him and I didn’t ask any questions. It, too, terrified people over the 120,000 miles I drove it (not counting my wife’s autos I’ve owned like five cars in my whole life, making me the least Autopian staffer by far.
Dad had a 1990 when I was in college, Midnight blue over parchment leather, all steel roof. New body but still a 302 under the hood. Wonderful highway cruiser.
Looks badass and it would probably sell just like you said – blandness antidote is a powerful draw. What did Tavares say when he saw it?
I will die on the hill that trucks are shitty luxury cars. I’ve ridden in every variety of Escalade, Navigator, upscale Tahoe, whatever, and all of them ride like trucks with leather seats.
(This does look rad, though, and I really do want Chrysler to survive – they really do have an absurdly high hit rate for cool cars for a company that’s also made so many shitty cars.)
Totally agreed. Unless you have a trailer, a brutal climate or a love of back country camping they are the wrong answer to the question of moving lots of people comfortably. If you look at the black car service outside any major airport or luxury hotel, the fancy people with places to be have moved over to luxury vans as a comfier alternative.
Completely agree. I do not understand the appeal at all. My GR86 rides better on the 17s than many of these “luxury” trucks with their Conestoga wagon wheels. I’d rather have the float of an old style land yacht, but people need to sit up high, which means stiffer suspension to counter the high cg and they want a large payload, which means stiffer suspension to account for the GVWR, and then they need to stick low profile tires on everything because . . . well, I guess it looks cool?
Agreed – After so many Airport pickups in Suburbans, Escalades, etc – I could not tell you whether I was in a Chevrolet, GMC or Cadillac from the depths of the blackness of the rear seat.
The load bay is nearly 3′ off the ground – Which certainly wasn’t fun for my drivers when loading a pile of oversized, overweight luggage.
Then I gotta step up onto a ledge to get into this thing – and out onto the ledge when getting out. Which is even more fun when your driver puts you just far enough away from the curb that you can’t step from the vehicle to the curb or vice versa – – you gotta step onto the ledge, then onto the narrow strip of pavement between you and the curb, then back up to the curb, without falling, tripping or twisting an ankle.
If you need stairs to get in and out of your vehicle – it’s too fucking big.
My guess is that the choice of big SUVs partially has to do with the lack of indestructible body-on-frame cars to be used by cab and limo services now. I owned two Ford Panthers and I can vouch for the fact that no modern sedan or crossover can take that kind of abuse for 500,000 miles.
I get where y’all are coming from but I loved my Z71 Tahoe because it could do everything while feeling like sitting in a Lazyboy while driving down the road. There is nothing better when you have kids or in bad weather during trips. It loved the snow, mud, rain, and even did great on the sandy beach while fishing on OBX- including aftery my son and I pushed a new Range Rover that got stuck. It even saved our life when a lady decided to pull in front of us while we were going down a highway.
My kids still talk about the snow doughnuts and the time we had Tater(they named it) sideways in a ditch. They cried when my transmission bit it and I said it was tine for a new rig, so I got a new transmission. To this day, my daughter is still mad at me for selling Tater after 300k and a bad back main seal made me finally give him up. That after many many times wrenching and replacing just about every part on him, including with my young son.
As for the ride, It was lovely and unfazed by hazards, potholes, speed bumps, and even the huge speadhumps-which we may or may not have jumped a few times a low speeds. I often joked that I could run over someone and not even notice. It had so much space that I once loaded a large round table and 6 wooden chairs in it with no problem and helped several ladies move. Also, I pulled many a trailer.
Please forgive me for being verbose and perhaps taking a flight of fancy but I miss that damn truck everyday, and I would be remiss if I didn’t stick up for the people that actually utilize big SUVs the way they are intended to be used.
PS I do NOT miss paying for the gas.
…which proves once again that the US Automakers refuse to build what buyers want and need – but what they want to sell us (at $12-25K profit margins for little more than an embiggened 1/2 ton truck)
This is what kills me about the whole “automakers are just selling what consumers want!” dialogue about SUVs – that was manufactured demand because CAFE standards made trucks cheap. Change the regulatory landscape and I guarantee we’ll see a proliferation of small cars and a slew of marketing campaigns about how only chumps drive big trucks, but as sits we’ve got country music and the Marlboro man pimping Canyoneros as the appropriate car for all occasions.
Great post, love the concept and appreciate the research legwork that stands it up. Well done!
Thank you!
That 60’s Imperial is hideous. 69, now were talking.
I love your modern Imperial. The front has a presence. That’s what you want in a luxury suv. I just don’t like the blacked out D pillar. Makes it look like a truck with a camper shell.
In its post bankruptcy era, Chrysler has won sales by offering relatively premium offerings in competitive categories at a more aggressive price point. For a buyer who measures value in square footage and standing out from the crowd, the Chrysler brand can offer products large and baroque enough to generate enthusiasm.
The idea of a new Imperial is a great one, but what you have wrong is the price point and feature set.
Can you put this design language on a Peugeot 5008? Because that is what we will get.
Loving the Spaceballs and B-52s references, hadda look up Julio, and the last went right by me (unless it’s just a line, not a quote)…
I believe that last line was from a motorcycle ad in a magazine, a play on the 80’s Vidal Sassoon tagline “if you don’t look good, we don’t look good”
I have to admit, when I think of Ramcharger, only one things comes to mind: Chuck Norris as Lone Wolf McQuade and bursting forth from the earth after being buried alive.
Huh. When I think of Ramcharger, I’m always wondering how you plug in a sheep.
Oh, I think you know all too well.
I like it, but rather than making it a separate brand that no one cares about I’d leave all the style and attitude and cut as much cost out as I could to deliver it at a cost that couldn’t be ignored with a dodge or chrysler badge slapped on it. Or one of each, just delete the headlight covers and accent lighting for the dodge. Style over substance at a price that a bunch of aspirational shlubs can stretch to afford.
Saaaaame.
While I absolutely despise this trend, this would be the perfect opportunity to revive the Pentastar. Sure, that logo has no business on an Imperial, but it would certainly stand out all lit up.
I don’t want to be a buzz kill, but doesn’t Darth Vader already own another car company?
Imperial Cruiser is still a kickass name.
Hit the sweet spot for rich nerd tech money.
There’s never been a RAM Suburban
It’s a true statement that there’s never been a RAM equivalent to the Suburban, but Dodge did have the Town Wagon and Town Panel in the 50s and 60s, and there were Suburban-equivalent D100 Carryalls in Argentina in the late 60s and early 70s.
One of my dream builds would be an Icon 4×4 based on a mid-60s D200 crew cab coach-built into a Suburban-killer. Basically this build made into a 3-row SUV:
https://www.icon4x4.com/reformer/pastprojects/18
I know I’ve seen a three-door Ramcharger type thing based on the 1994-era trucks down in Mexico
Well, all I know is that because of this post I now want a ’69 Imperial that will absolutely not fit in my garage.
Don’t buy a smaller car, just make the garage bigger!
Bishop, you know how to do menace. Most auto makers are leaning on Kylo Ren “I WILL HURT YOU BECAUSE IM MAD AT MOMMY AND DADDY” vibes. But this is Imperial Moff Guidion or Grand Moff Tarkin territory. “I will crush you because you are an ant and in my way. It is nothing personal. However if you impede me again, it will be personal, and I will enjoy crushing you and all you love in the most cruel fashion possible.” Now that is how you do menace.
“Bankruptcy? In our moment of triumph?!”
Not enough people do proper menace anymore! Too many people trying to be personally menacing. Proper menace is an army of goons, dammit.
I like the menace look but will it be shamed as macho sexist?
“It’s nothing personal, just strictly business.” Michael Corleone. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I could definitely see BIGTIME TOMMIE rolling down the rear passenger window, to tell me to “TAKE IT EASEEEE”.
I don’t love big, imposing, monster trucks like these for the most part. But this is obviously what Chrysler has been good at historically. However, I think Chrysler might need to build up their credibility to “brand that people know exists and would consider” before jumping back to “brand that take market share back from Cadillac and Mercedes”.
Also, Stellantis may want to send the minivan back to Dodge before doing something like this. A brand with a sinister monster truck with the only other available model being an aging minivan doesn’t make a ton of sense. But then Chrysler hasn’t ever made much sense, has it?
I’m still thinking that Imperial is the brand. I mean, they tried Wagoneer as a brand recently and nobody bought that idea, but then nobody has really bought the idea of that thing being a latter-day tribute to the ‘real’ SJ Grand Wagoneer either
That most people I’ve come across, and as mentioned, on the rare occasions Imperial is mentioned refer to it as Chrysler Imperial, could indicate that separate branding was never a great idea. My theory on old Imperial is that AFAIK, there was only one Imperial, not a series of models under that brand, and people knew it was made by Chrysler, so it seemed like a Chrysler Imperial that they only included the model badging for. That’s something no MBA would advocate today in this era of shoehorning corporate identity features onto every model regardless of how poorly it works, but wasn’t the case back then where individual models were pushed. Ultimately, I can’t think of many of those old classics revered for their style that adhered to a struct BS corporate identity, yet people knew who made them. Maybe it comes from their modern cars not standing up on their own as models worth remembering. When a corporate lineup consists of CUV size A, B, C, or D, WGAF about a model? Anyway, I think it could be a Chrysler badged as Imperial rather than needing to establish a whole additional brand, especially from an umbrella company that has a surplus of brands already.
Also, like Genesis was with Hyundai, if you aren’t selling something in a totally different dealership like Lexus then people really have a hard time seeing you as an independent brand.
WGAF about model? The manufacturer’s don’t either. That’s why everything became an alphabet soup of random numbers and letters. It was one thing when it was Mercedes and you could say I drive n S-class or a C-Class. Or BMW; I drive a 5 series.
Then everybody went all in and suddenly nothing had any meaning. Who makes a Q50? It’s Inifiniti, but it could be Volvo or Acura or Hyundai. It’s completely devoid of meaning and most normal people aren’t going to bother trying to figure it out. You could say I drive a Q50 and the person may look at you blankly. Tell them you drive a Miata, Prius, Corvette, or bitchin Z28 Camaro and they’ll nod and know what you’re talking about.
Yeah, that goes with the corporate identity over models. I think it’s a mistake. I don’t interact with car people in my real life, but the people I do interact with all have a favorite car. Usually, it’s pretty predictable stuff—OG Mustang, C2 or C3 Corvette, gen 2 Charger, maybe a “Ferrari” if they won the lottery, but I think it’s remarkable that even people who don’t care about cars have one they like. I have never interacted with anyone that had such opinions on appliances (as someone who recently bought some nice appliances for the first time in my life as part of a remodel, I have to say I appreciate them, but I’m not passionate about them). Nobody likes the near random alphabet soup names that even enthusiasts can’t keep straight (or stopped caring to, as I have). The cars the people I talk to want are old (and have a damn name), not because they’re also old and it’s a nostalgia thing, but because they had actual style (most often heard word) and that style was unique to the model (for the most part, but even models that resembled each other were often far more differentiated than the Matryoshka dolls we get now and performance cars with corporate faces that were designed for volume-selling trucks). More and more people—somewhat to my happy surprise—are getting fed up with all the tech and I’m talking people who are doctors and such and older millennial, not boomers.
I’m truly amazed that any younger people give a shit about modern cars. Take away old cars, there is really nothing that would pull my interest in were I a kid today. I’d just be more into bikes, boats, and wood working.
The best regarded alphanumerics have a specific CAR attached. S2000. BMW 2002, Saab 900, 9000, Porsche 928, 959. The name/number meant something. Porsche really first diluted it calling all the ensuing series 911 for marketing purposes (911, 912, 930,935,996,etc… all called 911 for marketing).
I concur 100%! What a wasted opportunity on the Wagoneer. I couldn’t believe that they didn’t offer the wood paneling as at least an option and it’s shaped like a Tahoe. Given that Orvis has sold restored 80s Wagoneers for 80K+, you would think that they would want to reach the same demographic that used to drive them, in spite of being extremely unreliable back in the day. Hell, they can still be found on places like Martha’s Vineyard today. In the later years, the name was associated with wealth, class, and a discerning eye. The new one is aimed at younger people that have zero attachment to the name and many other choices. If it showed more nostalgia, the next generation of buyer may’ve bought them as well.
Sell the same basic vehicle, in woodgrain as a Jeep Wagoneer and in steel sides as something else (Dodge/Ram/Chrysler). Damn, GM and Ford have been doing this big SUV shell game for 25 years or so. Wagoneer = woodgrain, even on an XJ.
James Earl Jones apparently allowed his voice to be re-created by AI for future Darth Vader appearances. So all Chrysler needs to do is work a deal with Disney and sale an Imperial Star Destroyer edition that only comes in Gray and has a Star Wars emblem somewhere in the cabin (sewn into the seat backs, embroidered on the top of the center console, dash badge, etc.)
Instead of beeping while backing up, it plays the Imperial March.
Maybe I was influenced by the title, but, when I saw the top shot , I thought, ‘Yeah; the big guy from Garage54 would definitely fit one of those’.
Much as I enjoy the channel’s antics, I’ve always had seriously shady vibes from him
Also, there’s no “Ram Suburban” but if that’s not exactly what a Wagoneer is then I don’t know what a Wagoneer is.
True, but there’s no non-Jeep version. Also, this Imperial would be closer in length to the RAM Revolution which is more like 231″ versus the 224″ or so on the Suburban/Wagoneer L
Love it! I think the front end treatment looks awesome in a sinister way. The suicide doors would be excellent, especially in livery service.
I would think they need to consider the initially all electric charger when actually introducing the Airflow. figure out how to fit the straight six in there, maybe make an NA hybrid version as well and make sure 2 and 4 wheel drive is an option.
If they were smart they would use that same platform and raise the roof and do like Genesis on it’s Cars/Crossovers.
The fact that the Wagoneer S Electric Range Rover competitor wasn’t sold as a Chrysler is bananas.
I think a lot of the Jeep stuff is not very Jeep brand centric, but the sales of the brand have dictated who gets the big fancy overpriced SUV’s and Crappy little not very Trail Ready econoboxes.
Maybe the Chrysler version they could make it right by either 1.) lopping off the sides so you can see the fastback or 2.) getting rid of the stupid fastback roof and fill in the cargo space that the rear quarter view promises from the side view.