Good morning! Today we’re looking at a couple of luxury cars, one of which “benchmarked” the other, which is a nice way of saying “unabashedly copied.” Is the copy even better than the real thing? We’ll find out.
Yesterday, we looked at a boring but clean car and a rough but interesting one, and it looks like condition won out over potential fun. I expected this one to go the other way, frankly, considering this group’s general dislike for J-cars, and the fact that it was up against a car that’s a stickshift and turbocharged and rear-wheel-drive. But sometimes I get surprised, and this was one of those times.
I’d take the Cavalier, to the surprise of probably no one, for two reasons: One, I hate rust, and two, I would enjoy it more on my local roads. We don’t have much for fun twisty roads around here, but we do have lots of flat, straight two-lane blacktop going between little towns, which sounds perfect in a small, leisurely convertible.
Now then: You only have to take a quick look at the luxury car market in the late ’80s to know where Toyota had its sights set with the Lexus LS400. The Mercedes-Benz S-Class was it, the top of the line, the fanciest, nicest, and at the time, best-built luxury sedan you could get. Did Toyota rise to meet the challenge? Oh yes. And then some.
But it has been decades since then, and both the LS400 and the S-Class have reached the bottom of their depreciation curves, letting the rest of us enjoy their fine qualities on a budget. Which one is the better beater? Let’s take a look and find out. Apologies if either or both of these cars are sold by the time you read this; I have a feeling they’ll sell quickly.
1999 Mercedes-Benz S320 – $2,500
Engine/drivetrain: 3.2-liter dual overhead cam inline 6, five-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Marina Del Rey, CA
Odometer reading: 191,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
The Mercedes-Benz W140 chassis S-Class had some gigantic shoes to fill. Its predecessor, the W126, was the car of choice for Wall Street tycoons, rappers, and tin-pot dictators around the world, and was well-known for being not only smooth and luxurious but also phenomenally well-built and reliable. The W140 upped the ante on technological features, and in doing so, lost a bit of the reliability, and ushered in the modern era of extremely complicated German cars. This is either the last “good” Mercedes or the first “bad” one, depending on who you ask.
The W140 was available with a wide range of engines, all the way up to a 6.0 liter V12. But this one makes do with a 3.2-liter twincam six, backed by a 5G-Tronic automatic transmission. One does not deign to shift one’s own gears in an S-Class. It may not be the fire-breather that the V8 and V12 cars are, but it will do nicely, thank you, and uses a lot less fuel. Like many Mercedes drivetrains, with proper maintenance it is capable of racking up some serious miles, and this one is approaching 200,000 and still runs just fine.
This S-Class wears Massachusetts plates, but the seller says it was “mostly a Florida car,” and now resides in California. Like Hank Snow, it’s been everywhere, man. The seller is now moving overseas and is therefore unloading it cheap.
It looks pretty good, but not great, as you might expect from a cheap twenty-five-year-old luxury car. There’s a bruise on the rear bumper, and it looks like there might be a little water intrusion into the taillights that should probably be addressed. Once again, we don’t get a photo of the driver’s seat, which probably means it’s damaged. People think they’re being so clever not showing it, but it’s literally the first thing you’re going to notice when you open the door. Just let us see it, so we can act accordingly.
1998 Lexus LS400 – $3,000
Engine/drivetrain: 4.0-liter dual overhead cam V8, five-speed automatic, RWD
Location: San Gabriel, CA
Odometer reading: 89,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
If you’re old enough to remember when Lexus began, you probably remember this commercial, in which Lexus showed that it came to play. For one thing, 145 miles per hour? In a car built by Toyota? Such a thing was unthinkable to the average Camry owner. But beyond that, it was smooth enough to not disturb a stack of wine glasses on the hood, with the engine howling along at that speed? Now that was impressive.
Unlike Mercedes, Lexus offered only a single engine in the LS, a four-liter V8, available only with an automatic transmission. This second-generation LS400 gained a fifth gear, bringing it even once again with Mercedes. These engines and transmissions are known for their incredible longevity, and for retaining that smoothness even with hundreds of thousands of miles on them. This one, at 89,000 miles, is just getting broken in.
Of course, it’s quiet and comfortable inside and loaded with all kinds of cool gadgets. This one shows some splits in the leather of both front seats, probably due to that warm California sun, and it also looks like the driver’s side headrest has been removed. It’s also missing a speaker grille on one rear door panel. I would say you could pop into a junkyard and find one, but I imagine LS400s are few and far between in junkyards.
It looks pretty good outside, except for the plastic wheel centers, which always turn yellow and look like hell on these cars. I don’t know if it would be better to repaint them to match the wheels again, or just take them off, but they look awful and make the car look older and more run-down than it is. That not-really-a-color paint makes it look old and tired to me too, but maybe that’s just because I had a Corolla the exact same color that really was old and tired.
Both of these cars strike me as pretty good deals, and that’s not often something you can say about cheap used luxury cars. But they both represent automakers at the top of their game, making the very best four-door sedans they could possibly make, and building them to last. I’d be happy to park either one in my garage, but I want to know what you all think. Do you want the real-deal German sedan, or the highly-polished Japanese interpretation?
(Image credits: sellers)
Useless Country trivia…Hank Snow wrote it, Johnny Cash made it popular…didn’t I hear it in a car commercial back in the day? Googling it now…lol
The 1UZ engine is one of my all time favorites. The Benz would be excellent, but the Lexus is definitely the choice here. Even if it wasn’t 1/3 of the miles, plus the whole “I’m moving overseas” thing just sounds fishy on the Benz
The Toyota UZ line of engines has the reputation it does for a reason. My GX 470 is one of the smoothest, comfiest vehicles I’ve ever been in, much less owned, and an LS400 is just a step above, and equally bulletproof. Cheap luxury with the peace of mind only a peak-era Lexus can provide is a massive, immediate and easy win.
No contest. Lexus. I love me a Lexus.
I like the W140, but Florida –>Massachusetts –>California feels sketchy as h*ck.
Plus, that generation of LS400 has always been Peak Lexus for me.
We’ll take the ‘Yota.
As a Lexus owner, I’m going with the Lexus. As others have said, this isn’t really a contest, as the Lexus is the obvious choice for anyone but W140 diehards.
Normally I would say you always go with the aging Japanese car over the aging German car, but not today. That Lexus looks worn out and neglected. I have my doubts about that odometer reading to be honest. In the eff it money range I’ll go with the better experience and take the Mercedes that has clearly been taken care over the years.
word, agreed 100%, plus its a super boring color!
Get the front seats reupholstered for a couple hundred bucks. I’m sure a headrest and a speaker grill can be found somewhere. That Lexus will last forever.
Yeah this one isn’t even a challenge, Lexus all the way!
This is the biggest no-brainer ever. Even if the Lexus had 300,000 miles, it’s the one I’d take.
The LS pictured is a ’93/94 (most likely a ’93). I’ve had two of that gen and racked 300+k miles between the two I owned… They’re great cars. If you accidentally run the timing belt ill it breaks, change it and go on, as the early 1UZ is non-interference. Gas mileage is mediocre (20 on the highway is about it), but they just go and go and go very quickly and smoothly. Both of mine had meat locker grade AC, and had never been serviced. Downsides: Engine ECMs do fail; replacing capacitors usually saves them; fuel pump modules also fail and good ones are hard to find. Headlights aren’t great. Now, if this were a ’98, it’d be roached, have 400k on it or be a rust bucket at $3k. If this were a ’98, it’d be a screaming deal. The Benz is kinda’ tempting, but that M104 motor had a tendency to leak oil from the head gasket in back, and it’s not a lot of motor for that much car. Yep, I’ll take the Lexus.
As the offspring of two teachers, I have to say I love it when someone shows all their work.
“100% A+ Great Job!”
Well, we *are*enthusiasts, and what’s wrong with geekery around here?
Nothing! I fear you have interpreted my earnest enthusiasm for your comment as mockery, which is absolutely not what I intended. The technical and personal details make your comment compelling, and I see I’m not the only one who thinks so.
I’m sorry but unless that Lexus is literally on fire when I go to look at it, that’s the only choice here. Even then it really just depends on how quickly you can put that fire out.
The Merc might have been the Lexus of it’s heyday. But wouldn’t you rather have the real Lexus?
I’m voting for the S-Class. It is a true luxury automobile. The Lexus is nice, but it feels more like a Toyota wearing a tuxedo than a true luxury car. If I needed a reliable transportation box and had a budget of $3,000, I would choose the Lexus (although, I still would shop around to see what else is available). In almost every other circumstance, I’m going for the budget Benz (to the extent a cheap S class can exist; I know repairs are going to be very expensive). It is an excellent choice for the connoisseur of fine automobiles who is encumbered by a used Altima budget.
Uhm, I think you mean that the cheap S class is:
“…is an excellent
choiceCURSE for a connoisseur of fine automobiles who is encumbered by a used Altima budget.The Lexus is a hell of a nice large Camry.
(And it follows that the Corolla is a very nice small Camry… and the Lexus ES is an extra-nice Camry.)
If the mileage is accurate, at 3,000 clams it’s a used car bargain. Also assuming, of course, that the seller is sincere and has integrity. You never get a clear picture on a car until you see it in person and talk to the seller. And the full story comes around after buying it and digging deeper.
Benz doesn’t appear to be in bad shape, but it sure looks like there’s a lit CEL tucked away on that instrument cluster. Methinks that’s a foretaste of all the fun that’s to come. This Lexus may have started out as an imitation, but time and reputation have made it eclipse the original. The things that need attention appear to be very superficial and rather easy to set right, or you could leave it as-is. In either case, you’d have yourself a nice ride for a very long time.
Has to be the Lexus but yellow flag those seats seems very worn for only 89,000 miles.
Seats splitting on the lower cushion was very typical on those, even 10-15 years ago.
“Seats splitting on the lower cushion was very typical on those, even 10-15 years ago.”
Yes, the Lexus leather was not as good as the Germans were using.
The wife of my boss drove an LS400 back in the day and after 3 or 4 years the seams in the back seat leather were splitting because she alway threw her golf bag on the back seat. But… I used to get to drive that car around, and I really was impressed by it. His car was a BMW and it seemed kinda cheap and plain in comparison.
For me the yellow flag is they don’t even know what year it is. But it’s still wins over the S Class.
The LS400 is a no-brainer.
As a Merc guy, the inline 6 gassers are the “poverty spec” S-class option. Decent mills, but they do not spark joy.
The Lexus brings legendary 90s Toyota reliability in the form of one of the best V8s ever made.
Toyota of today is NOTHING remotely close to them in the 00s and 90s…the only cars that are keeping their reputation alive are the LC, the RC F and the IS F…and the ES. Once those cars become turbo…everything can either go up or completely go down and never recover…(and a 600 hp 2.0L Turbo is NOT going to last compared to a 400+ hp naturally aspirated V8).
Lexus is the correct answer. Earlier this year we picked up an ’02 ES300 with 100k miles for $3k for my sons. They love it. I loved that the timing belt had already been done at 88K miles. We threw on a new set of pads and rotors, new tires, changed the oil, got a new battery and they’ve been dailying it for months. It’s a tank.
There’s nothing more expensive than a cheap German car…
Putting aside the argument of Mercedes vs Lexus, as a resident of Mass I’m reluctant to choose any car that has spent time in Mass.
Big Lex all day!
I am interested in hearing one of the Mercedes voters defend their choice, because on paper this seems as one-sided as these things get.
More cylinders, half the miles, big reliability gap, similar prices?
Buy these for $800 and enjoy that Lexus for another decade.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I voted for the Benz. I don’t see either of these as vehicles I would consider if I was in the market for a cheap generic transportation appliance. I acknowledge the Lexus is a good car, but it is not a car I would ever aspire to own. It doesn’t feel “special” in a way the S class does. To me, old Lexus vehicles seem like garden variety Toyotas with luxury veneers. If I am buying an old luxury car, I am buying it as a want and not a need. I don’t want a Lexus. I do want a Mercedes-Benz sedan.
As for the other things you mentioned, I couldn’t care less about cylinder count (I wouldn’t consider either of these cars if I wanted performance) and I’m not worried about mileage on a car in this price range. Old, low mileage cars don’t have any more appeal to me than old, moderate/high mileage cars that appear well maintained and are, at least for the moment, fully functional.
Obviously, reliability and the cost of repairs on a used S class are concerning, but again, I’m not buying either of these cars for practical reasons.
I came in thinking I would go for the Lexus, but then I looked at the pictures. I want my used weekend luxury cruiser to be clean inside and out. If you look at it as a DD competition then even a Lexus that looks like it was owned by a tweaker is a safer choice.
I don’t like Lexuses(Lexi?) and hate the color of this one more than I hate black. At that price point I can say I owned a Merc, and scrap it when it breaks. I don’t really drive enough any more to put a ton of miles on it anyway. On top of that, I’ve never bought a car with my head. It’s not a dishwasher. I buy with my heart. The defense rests.
Boring color, ripped seats and door card, missing headrest, the merc is turn key and cheap. Be more fun to spruce up a bit and bomb around!
honestly having a both option would have worked here!
That Merc looks pretty sweet, but an 89k mile LS400?!? That’s a forever car!!
I wonder how it would look in Soul Red?
There was a 39k mile one on auto trader a while back. 13 grand though. Still probably a good deal if you just want an unbreakable comfy car.
double paned glass FTW
This is like…not even a question.
Is this even a contest? That Lexus will probably do another 300k+ no problem. The Mercedes? Good luck with whatever annoying problems its going to have, which it will.