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It’s Incredible How These Smallish EVs Weigh More Than These Huge Old Gas Cars

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I know it’s not exactly news to state that electric cars are heavy. Really heavy. Batteries are heavy things, and it makes you realize just how spoiled we are when it comes to fossil fuels. Think about it: liquid gasoline has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery, and as that gasoline is used, the weight – about eight pounds per gallon – goes away. Not so with an EV battery, which weighs as much full as empty. Gasoline was such a huge springboard for humanity and automotive development, being energy dense enough to deal with wildly inefficient engines and crude overall design and still work. So, thank you, gasoline!

Lithium batteries are incredible technology, but if they have an Achille’s heel, it’s their weight. Well, and how slow they can be to charge. And the danger of thermal runaway. But that’s it! They’re still amazing. Amazing and heavy.

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This heaviness isn’t really obvious, either; there’s a lot of modern EVs that aren’t that big, size-wise, but are actually quite dense, and if you actually look at the numbers, they’re, you know, big. But to really viscerally appreciate just how heavy this whole crop of modern EVs are, I think you need some kind of familiar comparison. And I don’t mean using a bunch of units of weight that somehow we’re expected to know, like 75 spiral-sliced hams or a six dozen full water cooler bottles – I mean comparing these new EVs to older combustion cars.

Especially smaller EVs, because the comparisons are even more dramatic. So, with that in mind, I’ve selected five small-to-midsize EVs and compared them with big-ass land yachts or vans that they, visually improbably, outweigh. And then I compared one full-size electric SUV to a modern small camper, just for fun.

Here, be wowed!

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It’s weird to realize this, right? That Fiat 500e weighs more than the Dodge minivan? It’s like half the size! That Toyota with the dumb name is heavier than a freaking Town Car? A Tesla Model 3 weighs more than a Cadillac Fleetwood Brough-motherfucking-ham! And the Hummer being heavier than a whole freaking motorhome, even though it lacks a toilet or kitchen or beds? Madness! All of physics as I’ve understood it feels upended!

How can this be? But it very much is. EVs may be the future, and that future is looking very, very heavy. 

 

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RataTejas
RataTejas
6 months ago

All the more reason to find a way to tax EVs in an equivalent way to fuel tax. They are just as damaging, if not more so to the roads than their IC counterparts.

Thevenin
Thevenin
6 months ago

I have a pet conspiracy theory about why the Hummer EV is so heavy.

American automakers (and increasingly, the North American branches of Japanese and Korean automakers) have dropped every subcompact from the Fit to the Fiesta in favor of larger, heavier, faster vehicles with higher margins that they can justify by saying “bigger is better.” But recently, we’re seeing a ton of economic and environmental pressures that could increase uptake of small cars (domestic or foreign) and force a reversion to the mean.

So here’s the theory: The purpose of the Hummer EV (and similar ultraheavy/ultrafast electric trucks) is to make the road seem more hostile. Even with just a limited presence on the road, they generate headlines about how deadly the roads are becoming, and that just makes people think twice about buying a subcompact.

…It could also be that I’m reading too much into it and the Hummer EV is 9000lbs because the H1 was 8800lbs. But I prefer my version, lol.

Last edited 6 months ago by Thevenin
Johnpmac
Johnpmac
6 months ago
Reply to  Thevenin

I think you’re on to something here.

Myk El
Myk El
6 months ago

Perfect time to revive the Hillman Husky. It’s not heavy, it’s just husky.

Michael Wierzbicki
Michael Wierzbicki
6 months ago

Now do it with a 2024 M3 and 2024 A6. Its the year more than the fuel

Davedave
Davedave
6 months ago

Just for some perspective, my first car, 20 years ago, was a 2005 (Mk II runout) Fiat Punto, that was about 3.6m long, 1.6m wide, and weighed about a tonne. A few years after that I bought a 1989 Toyota Camry (V20), which was a metre longer, roughly the same width, and weighed about a tonne.

Most of the weight difference is down to safety equipment, and the knock-on effects of carrying around more weight, like bigger brakes. I’m fine with that.

What I can’t accept as easily is the growth in width, which doesn’t have anything like the same justification. The Camry was a comfortable 5 seater. My current 5 series is at least half a metre wider, for no good reason.

Rust Buckets
Rust Buckets
6 months ago

The intended takeaway from this article is that many newer electric cars are ludicrously heavy, which is true.

The more useful takeaway from this article is that stereotypically heavy old land yacht American cars aren’t actually that heavy, and never were, and auto journalism has been lying to you for several decades.
For example: some fullsize pickups weigh less than a Nissan 350z, which has two seats.

John E
John E
6 months ago
Reply to  Rust Buckets

My 2019 Ram 1500 Reg Cab 4×2 3.6L weighs 4400 pounds with a full tank of gas.

Donald Haack Jr
Donald Haack Jr
6 months ago

Ok. Modern ICE cars are much heavier than older ones. They are also much more efficient, more powerful, faster, and handle much better. Oh, and much safer!

John E
John E
6 months ago

As mentioned above, my 19 Ram is 4400#. My 82 F-150 with the 300 I6 and manual transmission weighed 4200#. And also demonstrating the dishonesty of the media, my Ram is narrower and shorter than the old F-150. Same with my old 1998 Quad Cab 4×2 Ram. It was 6″ LONGER and 200# heavier than my wife’s current 2018 Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4×4 and both have the 6’5″ bed. But you must fear the GIANT MODERN TRUCKS that endanger everyone!!!

Donald Haack Jr
Donald Haack Jr
6 months ago
Reply to  John E

I have no beef with with trucks. They’re fun to drive and useful. But I don’t put them in the same category as cars.

The only pickup mentioned in this article is the Hummer, which is ridiculously heavy.

My first vehicle was a 73 Chevy C10 work truck. The only frill was an AM radio. While it was quite low, the hood was flat all the way from the windshield to the front end. After that, pickup noses began to slope toward the front. IDK why, but today, truck noses are again very high and straight. That makes visibility an issue.

Anyway, back to work.

Alex Rockey
Alex Rockey
6 months ago

I am Heavy Vehicles Guy… and this… is my ride.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
6 months ago

I’ll take either of the road sofas, the Cadillac or the Lincoln.
Oh, wait, this isn’t shitbox showdown?

Nick Fortes
Nick Fortes
6 months ago

He’s not heavy, he’s my climate savior.

John E
John E
6 months ago
Reply to  Nick Fortes

Just go full flagellant already. Maybe you can appease the god of global warming.

MarcK1973
MarcK1973
6 months ago
Reply to  John E

Calm down, I’m pretty sure Nick was just making a joke referencing the old famous song “He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother” from The Hollies and Neil Diamond.

John E
John E
6 months ago
Reply to  MarcK1973

I know. I was using levity to gently poke at a “true believer”.

MarcK1973
MarcK1973
6 months ago
Reply to  John E

Oh damn my bad, sorry, I only got the first half of the joke! 🙁

Last edited 6 months ago by MarcK1973
Nick Fortes
Nick Fortes
6 months ago
Reply to  MarcK1973

yes, I was just having a laugh and referencing the song lol

Dingus
Dingus
6 months ago

I think I heard it from our author and have always remembered that BZ4X is pronounced “bizzy forks”. Those will always be, to me, a pair of forks wildly stabbing at a lone meatball each seeking it’s prize. That is what I think about whenever I see one.

Then I wish I had meatballs.

So do electric Toyotas lead to overindulgence in Italian cuisine?

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

Now I too am hungry for meatballs.

MAX FRESH OFF
MAX FRESH OFF
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

Huh, I thought it was “Bee’s forks”, like honeybees using utensils to gather nectar. Or meatballs, I guess.

Ben
Ben
6 months ago
Reply to  MAX FRESH OFF

I too prefer Bees Forks. The mental picture it conjures is just so amusing (much more so than the actual car).

World24
World24
6 months ago

With all the modern safety features and the EV technology, I’m honestly kinda surprised the 500e doesn’t even weigh that much more than the Caravan.
Sure, it’s nearly 600 pounds more than an older gasser 500, but 42 pounds more than a minivan built in the 80’s? Where they were still building them out of the thinnest steel possible? Eh, kinda impressive tbh.

Rust Buckets
Rust Buckets
6 months ago
Reply to  World24

Newer cars do not use thicker steel than older cars.

World24
World24
6 months ago
Reply to  Rust Buckets

True, but they use a lot more steel than they used to.
My proof-reading sucks.

Musicman27
Musicman27
6 months ago

And that is why EVs produce more pollution through brake dust and tire wear than their ICE and hybrid counterparts. They don’t really “save the environment”, they just chose a different poison.

Last edited 6 months ago by Musicman27
Robot Turds
Robot Turds
6 months ago
Reply to  Musicman27

That is such an old fashioned take. Nobody has bought an EV or hybrid because they think it ” Saves the environment” in at least a decade or more.

Musicman27
Musicman27
6 months ago
Reply to  Robot Turds

Either way, EVs are not better than ICE or hybrids at this point. 😛

Chartreuse Bison
Chartreuse Bison
6 months ago
Reply to  Robot Turds

lol what? it’s not exclusive sure, but there are still a shitload of people buying an EV solely for their image

Ryan F
Ryan F
6 months ago
Reply to  Musicman27

The brake dust thing is simply wrong. The vast majority of braking in EVs is regenerative so they produce very little dust. As for tire particles, I don’t believe anyone has studied whether an EV’s tire wear (compared to an equivalent ICE vehicle) offsets the reduction in other pollutants (including brake dust!), but it’s sure interesting that nobody really cared about tire particles until it became a convenient attack on EVs designed to create FUD among people most likely to consider buying one.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago
Reply to  Ryan F

The tire thing is because the instant electric torque is shredding tires not designed for instant massive torque. Don’t drive like my brother and tires wear just fine. That also helps with range.

Red865
Red865
6 months ago

Yeah, but who doesn’t love that excessive torque at every takeoff 🙂
Same reason Coyote Mustang tires wear out quickly….

Musicman27
Musicman27
6 months ago
Reply to  Red865

Eh, maybe I was wrong. 😛

86-GL
86-GL
6 months ago

It’s actually mind blowing the OG Caravan was less than 3000lbs. I’ve never ridden in one- I imagine it must have been a tin can death trap.

The Chevy Venture was really bad too, until they gave it the pugnacious front end with better crumple zones.

Hopefully as battery chemistry improves, weight starts to trend back towards current ICE vehicles. Cost and range are some of the biggest factors preventing EV adoption, both of which will be positively influence by smaller, lighter designs.

Last edited 6 months ago by 86-GL
Tbird
Tbird
6 months ago
Reply to  86-GL

Rode in many in my youth, they were underpowered, noisy tin cans.

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
6 months ago

We have a 23 Mirage hatchback. It’s EPA rated at 43/36 MPG and curb weight is 2095 lbs. We have seen as high as 48 actual MPG with 2 adults and 2 kids in the car. So why exactly do people need one of these heavy little electric SUVs?

Last edited 6 months ago by Curtis Loew
Musicman27
Musicman27
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

Because they want to “save the environment”. They don’t realize EVs also produce pollution through their increased brake and tire wear (not to mention getting the materials in the first place).

Dingus
Dingus
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

I don’t really care about electric vs gas, but to answer your question, the compromise that a Mirage creates is unreasonable for the majority.

My friend has an older Mirage with a 5 speed that I’ve driven around town and on the freeway. It is neither pleasant nor fun. It was loud and slow, handling was poor (I don’t think it even has a rear sway bar). I used to drive a Miata around SoCal so I’m no stranger to being a twerp among giants. However, the Mirage was worse because it felt like you were almost entirely helpless given the complete lack of power and the mushy handling. You just better plant yourself in the right lane and stay there.

Most people don’t enjoy driving like that. While I praise your ability to drive such a diminutive and economical car in the era of overstuffed whales, I doubt that you will find many contemporaries that would be willing to join you.

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

Ok it doesn’t handle so great but it’s not loud or that slow. It has no problem at all keeping up with traffic or merging onto the highway. It’s just fine in the fast lane doing 80-85. Mpg does drop to the 30s if you go that fast. It’s just a normal car really. We got the Ralliart model so I’m sure the stickers and mudflaps are adding at least 5 hp.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

I have a 2012 Cruze Eco. It regularly matches its EPA 42 mpg highway rating in decidedly not EPA test conditions and beats it handily on slower 55 mph roads. It’s just fine for my uses.

I’m actively shopping for its replacement. Which will be a BEV. I drive enough where I’ll save money charging at home. The space utilization on some BEV’s is incredible. Way more interior room for the same exterior footprint is great. One pedal driving well is just as much a skill as shifting a manual well. The relative lack of noise on a BEV is something I want as well. That’s why.

Jatkat
Jatkat
6 months ago

Man GM did some cool stuff with the Cruze. I wish they sold more diesel Cruzes. I think a second gen would be such a neat accompaniment to my volt.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Skip the second gen. They’re tin cans in comparison to the first gen. The diesel first gen is basically a diesel Verano with a bowtie. Great cars for crushing highway miles. Be warned, the diesel is shoehorned into that engine bay. There’s no room to work. Unlike the physically small 1.4T, where everything is fairly easy to access.

Jatkat
Jatkat
6 months ago

Interesting… My Volt is based on the second gen (platform at least) and it’s a very solid feeling car.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Having batteries down the middle of the car in a heavily reinforced box will do that. The regular ICE only ones aren’t near as nice.

Jatkat
Jatkat
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

I’m willing to bet one of those heavy little electric SUV’s is a substantially nicer place to be than a Mirage. That’s coming from someone who likes the Mirage too. It’s sort of like saying, why on earth would anybody need a Coupe deVille when the Toyota Tercel gets 40 mpg and seats 5???

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
6 months ago
Reply to  Jatkat

The Mirage is plenty good. I’m 6’2″ 190. The front and even the rear are roomy. It’s cheaper to operate overall than the electric cars.

Jatkat
Jatkat
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

No I understand its plenty good. My friend has a Mirage, and its a perfectly competent little car. I’m just saying that many/most people want more than perfectly adequate. I have a 2001 Chevrolet Tracker, which is excellent at what it set out to do. However, it didn’t feel as carlike or premium as the Rav-4s or CRVs at the time, so it failed to garner the success those vehicles had.

I don’t think the “cheaper to operate than electric” thing is really true though, heavily depends on where you live. I drive a PHEV, because my electricity is 7 cents/kwh. Gasoline was 4.75 a gallon last week. If I was to drive a pure gas car and spend the same on “fuel”, it would have to either get 181 mpg, or gas would have to cost 1.31 a gallon.

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
6 months ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Gas is a little over $3 here. You are missing intital purchase price. Those little electric SUVs cost twice as much.

Jatkat
Jatkat
6 months ago
Reply to  Curtis Loew

You are absolutely right for new, but maybe not for used. After incentives, tax rebates, etc my Volt cost roughly 11.5 out the door. Depending on trim, year, etc, a mirage around here costs about 8-12 ish. Cheaper, but over the lifetime of the vehicle a used EV/PHEV would likely cost less to operate.
Even after all that, there is still the factor that people are willing to pay more for a nicer car.

Aaron Headly
Aaron Headly
6 months ago

If you put in eight pounds per gallon of gasoline on your Cessna’s weight and balance sheet, you could get into trouble. Water is eight pounds per, but gas is reckoned at six.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
6 months ago

I get the point here, but calling a 500e heavy is not really accurate. What I think is amazing here is how light the old school caravan was. You know what else weighs 2910 lbs? A 2022 base model Corolla. Newer ones are up to 2955, so while yes it’s crazy that a subcompact weighs as much as a minivan, it’s because that old minivan is crazy light! A modern minivan like the Sienna weighs in at 4600lbs, or if you want to go a bit older, before they went all hybrid and gained a battery, the 2019 still weighed in at a minimum of 4400. All cars are a lot heavier now than they were 20+ years ago, not just EVs. I concede that all the others are less justifiable, but that one should have been left off this list IMO.

Jmfecon
Jmfecon
6 months ago

Probaly they have more material in order to avoid being death traps. Even with lighter extra strong steel, there is more of it.

Forbestheweirdo
Forbestheweirdo
6 months ago
Reply to  Jmfecon

Oh for sure, safety requirements have caused car weights to rise significantly, I understand the reasoning, my point is just that this comparison is apples to pineapples and is not entirely fair or helpful as a result. Old cars are just shockingly light compared to most newer ones.

Jj
Jj
6 months ago

I think the early minivans were not subject to passenger car safety standards. In the 80’s, those standards weren’t very high. I think that was right around the time when you’d start seeing shoulder belts for rear seat passengers. They really did not do well in crashes.

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
6 months ago

Thank you Torch – Admittedly, I still own only ICE vehicles, but have been keeping tabs on electrics as they evolve. I had not remotely considered how heavy these things actually are.

Dingus
Dingus
6 months ago
Reply to  Pneumatic Tool

Stop keeping all the tabs and please share. Some of us do not have tabs because of all the tab hoarding. I do not believe that there should be those who have so many tabs while there are other who have so few.

As part of my campaign, I will ensure a new era in tab distribution. Gone will be the days of an imbalance of tabs among us all. While we don’t want to stifle the drive and creativity of those who will collect many tabs, there must be reasonable controls to discourage a wild disparity of tabs.

Vote for Dingus, tabs for all!!!

Toecutter
Toecutter
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

I love those tabs that make me see all kinds of cool colors!

Patrick
Patrick
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

Wait, didn’t I already vote for a Dingus last time? I know next election for Prime Minister, the choice is between red Dingus and blue Dingus (there’s also orange Dingus and green Dingus, but they don’t have a chance, nor does paler blue Dingus..)

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

I cannot be held responsible for having the vision to keep tabs while others have elected to while away the hours while not keeping their own tabs. Being prepared for the lack of tabs is something that was easily remedied with foresight.

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
6 months ago
Reply to  Dingus

Ummn. Yeah. As long as I don’t have to share my incognito tabs…

BentleyBoy
BentleyBoy
6 months ago

Heavier cars and old and weakened infrastructure, not a good combo.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
6 months ago

There’s an alternate universe where all the research dollars are being pumped into material science for the sake of making cars lighter to use less resources, instead of using more resources to use less of a particular resource. If that makes sense.

There’s also an alternate universe where humanity isn’t hellbent on traveling around in rolling living rooms all day, but I feel like the former is more likely than the latter.

JShaawbaru
JShaawbaru
6 months ago

Even in a apples-to-apples comparison, with a short-range EV with a small battery pack, the heaviest 2015 Fiat 500 weights around 2500 pounds, the 500e from the same year is 2980. Almost 500 extra pounds for a 24kWh battery and the motor and stuff that go with it!

I thought about this too when I was driving through some area north of Toledo this weekend, there was a road with a 6000 lb weight limit for thru vehicles. I wondered how many EVs or even modern vehicles would even be allowed on that road. I guess it’s more than I thought, but the ones that do exceed the limit would be over by close to 50%.

Thevenin
Thevenin
6 months ago
Reply to  JShaawbaru

Battery density has nearly doubled since 2015, and the 500e was always an oddball, being made by Bosch and all.

-A 2024 Kia Niro hybrid is 3200lbs, and the Niro EV is 3700lbs.
-The 2024 Hyundai Kona (SEL) is 3300lbs, and the Kona EV (SEL) is 3750lbs.
-A 2024 BMW 430i Gran Coupe is 3800lbs, and an i4 is 4600lbs.

(Bespoke EV platforms tend to be more weight efficient than powertrain-agnostic platforms, too, but then it’s no longer an apples-to-apples comparison.)

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
6 months ago

“EVs may be the future, and that future is looking very, very heavy.”

“Very very heavy” has been the path trodden by America for some time now.

Balloondoggle
Balloondoggle
6 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

“There’s that word again; ‘heavy’. Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth’s gravitational pull?”

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
6 months ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

Yes,

It’s made Americans hyuuuuge too.

AssMatt
AssMatt
6 months ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

Hard to tell if Torch did that on purpose, but we can be assured David didn’t get it.

Alex Rockey
Alex Rockey
6 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Reminds me of the scene in Hotel Transylvania where he mistakes humans getting fatter for being more powerful.

AssMatt
AssMatt
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex Rockey

Why doesn’t Ross, the largest friend, simply eat the other five?

Totally not a robot
Totally not a robot
6 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

As if Americans actually tread any paths at all.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
6 months ago
Tim None
Tim None
6 months ago

This is neat and all but modern. Gas cars are heavier than older cars too a 1987 VW Golf weighs 1988 lbs a 2024 weighs 3188 lbs which is also more than a 1984 caravan. It’s almost like all new cars are much heavier than old cars.

CUlater
CUlater
6 months ago
Reply to  Tim None

The other contributor is the safety structures – safety cells, crush zones, and door impact beams didn’t come cheap. Or light.

Steve_the_Nomad
Steve_the_Nomad
6 months ago

My wife’s ’23 Model Y is 10.5″ shorter, seats 5, and weighs 4,555 pounds. In comparison, our ’56 Chevy Nomad is 197.5″ long, seats 6, and weighed 3,620 pounds when new. The base weight of our ’21 F-150 SuperCrew is 4,584 pounds, just 30 more than the Model Y. Each one has its own pros and cons.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
6 months ago

Those huge cars were filled with a lot of air.

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