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Some Geniuses Have Figured Out That A Crapload Of Audi Engines Bolt Right Up To Porsche Boxster Transmissions Including A V8

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Imagine this: It’s 11:30 p.m. and you really should be sleeping, but the itch to browse online for cheap project cars needs to be scratched. While browsing classifieds ads, you stumble upon a dirt-cheap Porsche Boxster. You click on the ad, only to find the seller claiming that the engine’s basically toast. Better luck another time, right? Well, not quite. Don’t write off that Boxster suffering from engine failure just yet, because people around the world have been resurrecting non-running examples of these sports cars using an impressive array of Audi engines, and it’s easier than you might think.

Small displacement Boxsters don’t really suffer from the bore scoring seen on 911s of the era, but they do have one achilles heel — intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing failure, which can cause the engine to fall out of timing, resulting in what is generally considered irreparable damage. It’s not usually immediate and catastrophic on cars with dual-row bearings, as they have a failure rate of less than one percent, typically shed some fine metallic debris into the oil before they actually go, and have a dipstick for visual inspection of oil condition. However, cars with single-row IMS bearings are known to suffer from sudden, catastrophic engine failure, which means there are hundreds of blown-up Boxsters out there waiting for something to happen.

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As it turns out, the manual gearboxes in the first-generation Boxster share a bellhousing pattern with the Audi 01E transmission, and the five-speed manual is straight-up an Audi 012 gearbox, meaning many longitudinally oriented Audi engines bolt up to Boxster transaxles. Obviously, this has resulted in some experimentation, with results ranging from mild to absolutely wild.

Boxster Storm S

Let’s start with one of the more interesting options — a V8. In the 2000s, there were essentially two naturally aspirated Audi 4.2-liter V8s: a chain-driven one with a history of largely hideous reliability, and a belt-driven one that’s actually quite reliable. A Pennsylvanian company called Project Six uses the second one, which means up to 364 horsepower and V8 noises in a small mid-engined convertible. The end result — dubbed the Storm S — features functional factory gauges, functional air conditioning, functional power steering, and weighs about 70 pounds less than an equivalent Boxster thanks to the V8 simply being a lighter engine.

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While this conversion isn’t cheap, clocking in at $8,000 plus the cost of the engine, that’s with Project Six doing all the work. Considering a used belt-drive Audi 4.2-liter V8 goes for anywhere from $500 to $2,500, and a Boxster rolling chassis can be had for just a few grand, that’s not a bad all-in price for what should be a weapon of a mid-engined sports car.

Audi 1.8t

Alright, so what if you’re looking for a dirt-cheap engine swap and are handy enough to DIY something like this? You might want to consider the 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine from an Audi A4 or Volkswagen Passat. It’s roughly 160 pounds lighter than the M96 flat-six that comes standard in a Boxster and it takes a whole lot of boost, plus you can mate it to the stock Boxster transaxle using a Passat clutch and flywheel. Granted, some fabrication is required for the sake of engine mounting and plumbing, but we aren’t talking about irreversible stuff here. It’s even possible to get the stock gauges and OBDII port to work, as Rennlist forum user xoo00ooxx who’s done the swap details:

I ran the K-line from my ECM to the OBD plug so it can be scanned just like the stock engine. The ABS and cruise control were happy once I got the tach functioning properly, I had to use a MSD 8920 tach signal converter to let my ECM talk to a Dakota Digital SGI-8 tach interface to alter the output from my 4cy to make the 6cyl tach show proper engine speed. The stock Box temp gauge works fine with the 1.8t temp sensor. The alternator light also works fine with the VW alternator. It’s just a matter of looking at the wire diagrams from this engine and that of the Boxster to determine what wires go where, a time consuming job but not terribly hard, I enjoy it.

Crafty stuff, and this all proves it’s very much possible to build a quicker, more reliable Boxster for just a few grand on top of the acquisition price of a car, and things get really fun when you start upping the boost. This one made a claimed 420 horsepower on a stock, unopened 1.8T engine with a Pulsar G25-550 turbocharger and Link aftermarket engine management. Sorry in advance, headphone users.

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Now, there is another, more obscure, less reliable option that a handful of people have successfully pulled off — transplanting the twin-turbocharged 2.7-liter V6 from a B5 Audi S4 or C5 Audi A6 into a Boxster. This engine isn’t exactly known for world-class reliability, but they can make some serious horsepower with mild bolt-ons — more than 325 horsepower and 350 lb.-ft. of torque. Once again, this will bolt up to a standard Boxster five-speed manual transaxle, but it will require more fabrication, more plumbing, more electrical work, and more money than the 1.8-liter turbocharged four-banger.

However, once everything’s working, the results are magnificent. Think about it — here’s a boosted mid-engined sports car that, with a flash tune, will make 300 horsepower and weigh less than 3,000 pounds, all while singing a six-cylinder tune. That sounds like a serious recipe for fun, and it should still be cheaper than building up a used replacement M96 flat-six.

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Of course, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with building up a replacement flat-six. It’s the route I’ll likely eventually go on a long enough timeline, partly because it just fits right and partly because a 3.4-liter 911 Carrera engine punched out to 3.8 liters and bulletproofed with a plain IMS bearing, a deeper oil pan, and oil pan baffles sounds like an absolute riot in a Boxster. However, Porsche made 164,874 first-generation Boxsters, and not all of them are suited to the high-buck treatment, so the fact that options exist to get blown-up examples back on the road is mega.

When it comes to inherently semi-precious cars, nice examples will always exist, but having solutions for keeping non-running ones going puts a little joy back on the road. Whether a V8, a four-banger, or a V6, creative options are out there, and they can make for some incredibly fun projects.

(Photo credits: Project Six, eBay seller, Porsche)

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ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago

The 2.7TT is 10lbs of crap in a 5lb bag. I have owned my 20v I5 UrS6 Avant for a long time, and I can’t tell you the number of people who have sent me a B5 S4 for sale, and I say no, don’t do it, but nobody listens. They buy it anyway, and then it inevitably requires a lot of obnoxious work, and gets relugated to neglected project car status, or sold.

The point was you missed the 20V I5 Turbo that made Audi famous. One of those in a boxster chassis would be a riot; it would make Group B noises, and infinitely more reliable than the 2.7TT.

Think: RS2 Boxster

Ricardo Mercio
Ricardo Mercio
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

Sadly, it wouldn’t fit, length-wise. Now, a transverse inline-5 off an early TT in an MR2…

CanyonCarver
CanyonCarver
1 month ago

Am I the only one who sees a shrunken down Carerra GT in the first photo in the article? The camber of the rear wheels though makes it look like a cheap photoshop

Mike Levy
Mike Levy
1 month ago

Does it work with the PDK too? I hate driving stick. It’s no fun with screwed up legs.

Geemy
Geemy
1 month ago

why is a 4.2 Audi V8 70 lbs lighter than a Porsche 2.5-3.2 flat 6?

Ricardo Mercio
Ricardo Mercio
1 month ago
Reply to  Geemy

Preface: this comment is long because the answer is complicated, not because I’m a Porsche fanboy. I do own an early Boxster, but I’m well aware that the M96 engine is, at best, a fascinating cost-cutting exercise. But on to why the V8 is lighter:

It’s just a simpler engine. there’s no intermediary shaft, dedicated oil return pumps, air-oil separator, oil-to-water heat exchanger, complex long-runner varioram intake, bigger coolant/oil passages (which make the block bigger) among other things dedicated to power density, torque spread and track reliability, plus the complex packaging of a boxer engine, which requires two engine case halves instead of just one block. For the belt-driven V8, there’s also the weight of the Porsche’s timing chains (early cars had 5, later cars had 3). And finally, the 3.2 (and every other M96 down to the 2.5) is a de-bored version of the 911 S’s 320-horsepower 3.6L engine. Apart from the pistons and cylinder walls, the entire rest of the engine assembly is sized and built for 320hp of stress and heat.

I’d also imagine the V8 goes in with custom exhaust, high-flow cats (if any), straight-through mufflers, a lightweight flywheel and some decreased dress-up. Exhaust alone can drop 40+lb off a stock Boxster, it comes with 4 cats, thick walls and an enormous muffler. That would make the V8 30lb lighter, give or take, but considering the 26lb flywheel the Boxster comes with, you could lose another 13lb, which would make the V8 actually 20lb lighter, though if we want to include the airbox, heat shields, sound deadening and aero trays that have to go because they won’t fit around the V8, it could be less than 10lb lighter, inherently.

The heavier, more complicated flat-6 format still has certain advantages, such as the lower center of gravity and the shorter block length that allows the owner to reasonably work on accessories at the front of the block without dropping the engine. For mid-engined packaging, it’s perfect. It also has great heat dissipation, and holds an enormous amount of oil. These engines run cool and stay cool on hot track days.

All of that said, the early water-cooled Porsche non-GT engines (M96/M97) were problematic, they didn’t produce a lot of power for their size and weren’t particularly reliable. Compared to inline-6 competitors and even the Honda S2000, the M96 was a bit slow, but the power delivery, sound and low CG make it more than the sum of its parts when mounted in the middle of a roadster, and it’s a joy to drive.

Weight was never a particular weakness of the M96, newer Porsche engines have gotten far more reliable and more powerful, but they haven’t gotten much lighter, if at all.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Ricardo Mercio

I’ll add the Porsche crank has individual pins for each rod while the V8 had shared pins, so the crankshaft is probably lighter in the Audi, as well.

Ricardo Mercio
Ricardo Mercio
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Good point, hadn’t thought of that one. It also means it has 7 main bearings to the Audi’s 5, with all the saddles and oil passages associated. With the flat design, that’s 14 saddles, opposed to the V8’s 5 saddles and 5 main caps.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Ricardo Mercio

That’s why I don’t know of any true boxers with more than 6 cylinders besides Subaru’s failed F1 engine. I’m sure there’s a few other obscure oddballs and one-offs, but I’m not going to cheat by googling (no, I’m definitely going to look it up after I post).

Ricardo Mercio
Ricardo Mercio
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Porsche made a slew of racing Flat-8 designs, but that’s all I can think of besides the Subaru flat-12. The 917’s engine was a 180-degree V12, as was the experimental flat-16 they tried to use.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Ricardo Mercio

Yeah, I found out the Porsches H8+ were boxers when I thought they were 180*Vs, which makes sense as they were derivative of their existing boxers and I should have figured that. Apparently, there were a small handful of other 8+ cylinder boxers over the years, but they were odd race engines, seems like they were either two smaller boxers put together or two inlines laid flat and put together horizontally.

Micah Cameron
Micah Cameron
1 month ago
Reply to  Ricardo Mercio

I was wondering the same thing, and this was a great answer! Thank you for going into so much detail and being objective.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

a chain-driven one with a history of largely hideous reliability, and a belt-driven one that’s actually quite reliable. 

Paging David Tracy to the comments section…

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago

I have a sudden need to know if anyone has dared to stick a Harbor Freight Predator engine in a Boxster for the lulz

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

I suppose that the Audi Engine reliability issues that some commenters have mentioned could be offset by just buying a few extras and replacing as necessary.

Once you’ve done the swap, replacing the swapped engine with an identical unit should be pretty straightforward and cheap right?

Sometimes I see cars that have been swapped to a small block Chevy, but with a terrible choice of engine like a 305 or something. I think that if you consider the 305 to just be a placeholder for a decent engine, it sort of makes sense.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

Will an LS fit? 😛

Also, these might be good candidates for EV conversions

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Renegade Hybrids sells an LS Kit

Phuzz
Phuzz
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Might not get you many internet points, but an LS swap looks pretty exciting to drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbuCbGKEDVI

Rick Garcia
Rick Garcia
1 month ago

As a former B5 S4 owner I can confidently say do not put the 2.7 or 1.8 unless you want a project car from hell.

V8, now were talking!

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
1 month ago

Do any VR6s share that bellhousing pattern? Might not be the power per kg or per $, but that sound in a mr roadster would be amazing

Rick Garcia
Rick Garcia
1 month ago
Reply to  Dan Parker

VR6’s are fairly long. Probably wouldn’t fit.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Rick Garcia

I’ve always considered the VR6 to be as compromised as a flathead V8 with the tortuous intake and exhaust passages to the opposite side cylinders.

Terry Mahoney
Terry Mahoney
1 month ago

You had me at V8…

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
1 month ago

Mercedes Streeter should buy one of these boxters with a blown engine and put the V10 TDI motor in it. The transmission probably won’t handle the torque for long…

But it would still be incredibly rad.

7Cincinnatus
7Cincinnatus
1 month ago

With sufficiently sticky tires, I imagine the resulting vehicle would be able to flip itself over its rear end if you dumped the clutch at the right RPM

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 month ago

I don’t think the V10 would fit. But if it did, it would be delicious…

Anoos
Anoos
1 month ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Flip the transaxle and make it rear-engined.

Build a cage around anything that sticks out the back like a Baja Bug.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 month ago
Reply to  Anoos

That would provide a great excuse to turn it into a streamlined longtail to cut drag. Imagine 50+ mpg @ 70 mph, 10s in the 1/4 mile, and a 200+ mph top speed, with that V10…

Neil Hall
Neil Hall
1 month ago
Reply to  Toecutter

V8 TDi might fit, V6 TDi should fit, and that was available in bi-turbo form with over 300PS.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

I think that since the first days of water-cooled engines, everything from VAG has used the same bellhousing bolt pattern. So if you want really slow Boxster that won’t cost you much at the pump, you could fit a 1.6 liter, naturally-aspirated Diesel engine from a 1978 Rabbit Diesel.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

That would be a way to keep your Boxster running after a nuclear war! I bet with some injector pump modifications and a small turbo, you could get close to stock performance without grenading the engine.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

A diesel Boxster would be a massive troll, although I’d go with a TDi to be less painfully slow while keeping the diesel clatter

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

I see LS powered 911’s, I imagine they have an adapter to put 400 HP NA LS 5.7 v8’s in them easy enough. I know it is less exotic, but it would be more likely to get you home.

Anoos
Anoos
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

I don’t have any Boxster experience, but you’d probably have to move the firewall forward to fit. Fine for the vertically challenged folk like myself, but would probably be uncomfortable for anyone who needs leg room.

Mthew_M
Mthew_M
1 month ago

Why go for a pedestrian V8, when you could have a W8!

On a more serious note, it’s a shame the Jetta 07K Inline-5 is too long to easily fit, they make a great noise and are extremely cheap and durable, even with turbos.

Last edited 1 month ago by Mthew_M
World24
World24
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

I like the way you think!

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

Why have a W8 when you could have a W12???

Geemy
Geemy
1 month ago

Why have a W12 when you could have a W16???

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Geemy

Well the W12 is a lot easier to get than the W16 as you’ll have to get your hands on a scrapped Bugatti to get the W16.

Geekycop .
Geekycop .
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

Perfect. Especially if you straight piped it, they sound so very unique.

ReverendDC
ReverendDC
1 month ago

I saw “Audi” and let myself out…

Automotiveflux
Automotiveflux
1 month ago

I love these factory part hot rod builds

AlterId
AlterId
1 month ago

I guess a Bentley V12 is still a no-go. Darn.

Mthew_M
Mthew_M
1 month ago
Reply to  AlterId

*W12. They’ve been swapped into A4s and A6s before, so they probably could be done. Seems like it might fit – the flat-6 is already wide, and a VR6 isn’t much longer than an inline-4. Might need a different Audi/Boxster transmission to bolt up, but without digging further, it seems feasible.

Angrycat Meowmeow
Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago

I’m leaving this here just for my buddy Nsane.

When you’re talking about dropping an Audi engine in your car to make it more reliable, you know you’re in trouble.

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
1 month ago

Yeah, I had the same thought. A perfect engine swap project for all the people that have no experience with Audi reliability.

I’m also wondering how this affects the center of gravity on the car. I’m sure it’s a hoot and a half but would be wildly different handling than the stock boxster. Maybe in a good way, likely in a find-yourself-quickly-in-a-ditch way.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago

I don’t think anyone is claiming that the Audi engine is more reliable, just that if the Porsche engine dies, there are big power alternatives

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago

I can only assume that articles like this have good metrics/feedback.

This is the fourth headline we’ve had in the past three weeks (since 15 August) calling people “geniuses” specifically for doing engine and/or transmission swaps.

Angrycat Meowmeow
Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

There are a few terms around here used so often that it’s gotten tiresome, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t really matter. That said, a 4.2 swapped 5 speed Boxster might be the “Holy Grail” of Boxsters.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago

No. Boxster S is the holy grail. I don’t want Audi anything in there.

Mthew_M
Mthew_M
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Oh no. I’ve got some terrible, terrible news about the transmission, as well as a lot of other major parts on that thing.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

I never said it was reliable…

Widgetsltd
Widgetsltd
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

The 986 S transmission is the Getrag/Porsche 6-speed unit – almost the same as a contemporary 911.

Phuzz
Phuzz
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew_M

Not to mention most of the minor parts, but I doubt anyone’s losing sleep over their Porsche sharing a brake light switch with a VW Polo.

Duane Cannon
Duane Cannon
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

If you think a V8 sounds better than a flat six Porsche, go buy a Charger. I’m betting everyone that slobbers over an Audi (seriously?) V8 in a Boxster has never owned a Boxster S. Holy grail indeed.

Anoos
Anoos
1 month ago

A guy blew the engine in his Boxster. You won’t believe what happened next.

ReverendDC
ReverendDC
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

They make money through clicks (and memberships, merch, etc, but much more through ad imprints, I’m sure), so a certain amount of “clickbait” titles are to be expected. To be honest, I read the titles as more “tongue in cheek” ways than literal ones.

WaCkO
WaCkO
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

It’s the same guy who says the idbuzz is not too expensive. He is becoming less credible with each one of his posts/articles.

Phuzz
Phuzz
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

A real genius is whoever first realised that the dual overhead cam cylinder block from a BMW K series motorbike engine is just the right size and bore spacing to fit on a Austin Rover A-series engine block (as used by classic Minis among many other cars).

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

The Boxster engine is that heavy? Ida never guessed…

AlterId
AlterId
1 month ago
Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  AlterId

Fuggetabut dah daater…

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 month ago

I’d totally want to do a TDI swap for a Boxster. I think the 4.2L TDI could b made to fit, but if it is too heavy and imbalanced weight distribution is an issue, the 3.3L TDI V8 will still provide lots of grunt… with fuel economy to go with it.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 month ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I had the same thought. Like 15 years ago there was a guy who swapped a 1.9L TDI into an NA Miata that was both amusing and confusing. Something like that in a Boxster would be even more gloriously confusing.

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
1 month ago
Reply to  Toecutter

So, basically the VW Bluesport concept we almost, but never quite, got?

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

Or a slightly heavier take on the VW Ecoracer.

This is how you get 50 mpg in a Boxster.

An MR2 Spyder had a 1.9L TDI swap that I read of, and it got around 60 mpg.

Kaiserserserser
Kaiserserserser
1 month ago

While this conversion isn’t cheap, clocking in at $8,000 plus the cost of the engine, that’s with Project Six doing all the work

Wait is that really the price? Drop off an engine, a boxster and a check for 8K and come pick up your v8 Boxster a few weeks later? if so that’s honestly freaking awesome.

Dig a 4.2 out of a scrapped RS4/RS5 and have an 8000 rpm 420HP screaming v8 Porsche? Sign me up (except not really because the wife insists we need to spend money on less cool things like “food” and “the mortgage”)

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
1 month ago

I know, right? That’s not bad. At. All.

Kaiserserserser
Kaiserserserser
1 month ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

The more I think about it, it kind of feels like the modern day equivalent of V8 swapped 240z trend that started blowing up in the 80’s.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
1 month ago

Your wife might change her tune once her famished, homeless self is sitting in a V8 Boxster.

Then again, perhaps not.

Musicman27
Musicman27
1 month ago

A Porsche Boxster with an awesome-sounding V8? Sign me up!

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago

Go check out “The Rockster” a build by Home Built by Jeff on Youtube. He’s been building one of these in his garage. Pretty entertaining youtube channel.

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
1 month ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Was going to say the same, he’s making great use of an awful boxster.

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