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The Honda CR-Z Should Have Been Perfect, So Why Did It Bomb?

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In 2010, Honda excited enthusiasts with a car that looked like nothing else and had promising marketing. The Honda CR-Z was touted as the driver’s hybrid with sporty driving dynamics, a design nodding to the iconic Honda CRX, and stellar fuel economy. There was only one problem as the production car wasn’t that sporty, that economical, or all that practical. Somehow, it gets worse from there.

The late 2000s and the early 2010s were a different, almost unrecognizable time in the automotive industry. EVs weren’t quite yet all of the rage, but journalists and the public alike had their eyes on how the Tesla Roadster helped make electric cars sexy and the Tesla Model S added practicality to hot design. At the same time, electrification was a big deal from hybrids like the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight to wonders like the Chevrolet Volt. Shorter-range EVs also became a thing including the Smart Fortwo Electric Drive, the Nissan Leaf, and the Th!nk City.

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This was an era of alternative fuel exploration. Electric vehicles didn’t get to have all of the fun as automakers also tried their hands at furthering the popularity of diesel-powered passenger cars. Then there were the weirdos like the Honda Civic GX which ran on compressed natural gas and the hydrogen fuel cell Toyota Mirai. Even motorcycles got in on the bandwagon as Harley-Davidson launched the development program that would lead to the LiveWire, Zero Motorcycles was a rising star, and Brammo was still a thing.

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Honda noticed a problem in the electrification landscape and it was that nobody was combining hybrid power with a sporty driving experience. The Honda CR-Z was supposed to change that.

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Compact Renaissance Zero

Car news sites were abuzz in 2007 with news of a new Honda concept.

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In October of that year, Honda released images for a concept car it called the Compact Renaissance Zero. Later that month, the concept car made its debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show. At the show, Honda explained what Compact Renaissance Zero means and sadly, it’s a little bit of marketing jargon:

‘CR-Z’ stands for ‘Compact Renaissance Zero’—an expression intended to capture the idea of a renaissance in the design of compact cars that begins anew from fundamentals.

This design research model of a lightweight hybrid sports car features advanced technologies that deliver enjoyable driving for all while reducing the vehicle’s environmental footprint.

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The CR-Z concept was a stunner. It had a face that made it look like a relative of the Mazda RX-8, but the rest of its hatch body and that name “CR-Z” pointed enthusiasts in the direction of an ’80s and ’90s icon, the Honda CRX. Before we continue, I will note that Honda stylizes the classic hatch as the “CRX” in some markets without a hyphen. It was marketed without a hyphen in America, so that’s how I’m going to write it here.

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As Car Magazine UK wrote in 2007, the CR-Z built on the Honda Remix concept from 2006 and the production version of the CR-Z has its own design story. As Autoblog wrote in 2009, Motoaki Minowa created the proposal model and production concept while Makoto Iwaki was responsible for the production of the 2007 show car. The design team included Chief Designer Takashi Nagura, Exterior Designer Yosuke Tokoro, and interior designers Takashi Ozaki and Mr. Takahito Tsuchiya.

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Nagura indicated that the CR-Z wasn’t a hybrid early on in its development, but when the hybrid part was added, one of the design concepts of the CR-Z was a “Hybrid Café Racer” for Everyday Enjoyment. In this case, Café Racer is making a nod to the enthusiasts who gathered at cafés in London with their fast rides. Basically, the CR-Z is supposed to be a sporty car that you can enjoy and talk about with your friends over some tea. At the same time, Nagura pointed out that London was concerned about inner-city pollution, so the design team wanted to make a sporty car that you could enjoy guilt-free by making it a hybrid.

So, the design brief of this car was something sporty, but clean. Honda also uploaded a video detailing the design team’s mission. According to the video, Chief Engineer of Chassis Dynamics Terukazu Torikai said “the basic concept of this car is ‘fun-to-drive’.” But more than that, they wanted to take the agile handling of a Mini and combine it with easy-to-drive daily performance.

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Torikai mentions Honda engineers went out and bought a bunch of different cars to drive and benchmark. These included a Mini, a Volkswagen Scirocco, and a Lotus Elise. The Elise would become the engineering team’s inspiration throughout the whole development period of the CR-Z. I mean, who doesn’t want a car that handles like one of the best modern Lotus cars?

Torikai continues that since handling was a big deal, the engineering team focused on precise tuning of the CR-Z’s electric power steering. They also engineered the CR-Z to have the body rigidity of a Civic Type R. Yet, remember that they weren’t trying to build a hardcore track day car, so they based the CR-Z on the base structure of the Insight so that the CR-Z delivered predictable control.

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Once the engineers had prototypes together, they were taken to Europe and evaluated on roads out there to see if the resulting vehicle would meet the engineers’ expectations of a sporty everyday driver.

Next, Project Leader Norio Tomobe chimed in to talk about the market research Honda conducted. The brand found out that prospective customers wanted a vehicle with values that they would be proud to talk about with other people. The engineering team believed those values would come from the vehicle’s sporty performance and Honda’s hybrid system.

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Combine all of this work into one vehicle and in 2010, the world got to see the Honda CR-Z enter production.

A Fun Car With A Big Promise

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Honda began publishing press releases to its American sites in June 2010. Those press releases made some big promises that automotive journalists were about to put to the test.

Honda never shied away from comparing the 2011 CR-Z to the old CRX. The press release says this:

Honda designers envisioned the CR-Z as a highly personal coupe that symbolizes a new era of style that is sporty yet environmental at the same time. The one-motion wedge form, compact dimensions, light-weight construction and aerodynamic design help to improve performance and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The progressively raked roofline and sharply truncated tail of the CR-Z is a feature shared with many Hondas past and present, including the CRX, first-generation Insight and the FCX Clarity. All of these cars have been designed to cut through the air with minimal disturbance, reducing aerodynamic drag to increase efficiency.

The exterior design of CR-Z deliberately evokes the iconic style of the 1980s and 1990s Honda CRX, which was originally developed to provide a small, stylish car that could achieve excellent fuel economy. Signature features of the CRX, like the split-level rear glass hatch of the second generation model and the low, shallow raked roofline have been referenced in the design of the sleek coupe and then combined with a curvaceous and deeply sculpted exterior form.

The press release then gets pretty bold from there, even comparing spec sheets of the 2011 Honda CR-Z against the 2010 Honda Insight, the 2010 Honda Civic Hybrid, the 1991 Honda CRX Si, and the 1985 Honda CRX Si.

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This seems like it could have been a mistake because cracks showed in the CR-Z right there in the press release. For example, the Honda CR-Z was shown to be the most powerful of the bunch, but it also weighed a hefty 2,637 pounds. That was weird when you think about it because the Honda Insight it was based on wasn’t even a full hundred pounds heavier despite having two more doors, two more seats, and a foot more in length. It also didn’t compare favorably to the CRX that Honda was so happy to reference, which weighed nearly a thousand pounds lighter at its lightest. Even worse was the fact that the CRX had a better power-to-weight ratio. But at least Honda was honest about all of this upfront.

At the same time, Car and Driver indicated that journalists got to drive the CRX before getting into the CR-Z, so Honda really wanted you to know that the CR-Z was basically the second coming of the CRX.

On paper, the CR-Z sounds pretty awesome. Honda says the CR-Z was the sixth unique application of its Integrated Motor Assist technology since its debut in the original Insight back in 1999. In this case, the CR-Z has a powertrain consisting of a 1.5-liter four-cylinder i-VTEC engine that makes 113 HP and 107 lb-ft of torque on its own. Mounted between the engine and the transmission (and functioning as the “Integrated” part of IMA) is a DC brushless motor good for 13 HP and 58 lb-ft of torque. The engine hits peak torque at 4,800 RPM while the electric motor hits peak torque at 1,000 RPM. Combine it together and Honda says peak system power is 122 HP and 128 lb-ft of torque.

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Honda really wanted buyers to get their CR-Zs with a six-speed manual transmission for the best performance. Honda says CR-Zs with manuals have five gears for fun and a sixth gear for fuel economy. The CR-Z is fairly high-tech outside of the IMA system including the aforementioned i-VTEC Valvetrain, drive-by-wire throttle, dual-probe spark plugs, and a subframe torque rod damper system to reduce vibration, noise, and harshness.

Honda drummed up interest during the vehicle’s 2010 launch by talking about how it was sporty, environmentally friendly, and the first-ever hybrid with a six-speed manual transmission:

“The CR-Z is a personal sport hybrid coupe for people with a spirit of adventure and an elevated sense of responsibility toward the environment,” said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. “It’s the first hybrid designed to maximize style and fun, in addition to efficiency and economy.”

Honda also talked about how its engineers achieved the difficult mission of melding hybrid technology with a vehicle that was still fun to drive. How did all of this translate to reviews?

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Here’s a snippet of what Car and Driver said:

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Where the impish CRX used lightness and a stripped-down approach to deliver entertainment and efficiency, the CR-Z looks to a gasoline-electric hybrid powertrain. The difference between the two paths is stark, or so goes conventional wisdom. With less weight and simplicity come fun and momentum-style hoonage, and with a hybrid powertrain comes, well, soul-crushing dullness. Somewhat shockingly, however, this hybrid is entertaining, even as it tries to marry the disparate concepts of sport and efficiency.

The chassis plays a big part in making the hybrid experience transparent. The brakes are a touch grabby, but they have only the slightest hint of hybrid-style sponginess, and the transition from regenerative to conventional braking is essentially seamless. The linearity of the brakes is good, too. The electrically boosted steering has more feel than we expected, and turn-in is eager in normal mode and quick in sport. Where the CR-Z impresses most is in ride quality. Generally, when something has the wheelbase of a Matchbox car, you can expect to be revectored as you hit midcorner bumps, plus a jarring, crashing ride—the sportiest Minis being prime examples. The CR-Z exhibits very little of such behaviors, though, with part of the credit going to the standard 16-inch wheels and relatively tall sidewalls of the 195/55 Dunlop SP Sport 7000 rubber. That’s not to say the CR-Z is firmly planted all the time. Pitch this Honda hard into a corner with stability control disabled and lift off the throttle, and the back will swing around (and quite quickly due to the short wheelbase), so you need to be ready to dial in some opposite lock. Blame the weight of the batteries, which live between the rear wheels.

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The Truth About Cars noted that the CR-Z is pretty peppy at first, but the performance began running out quickly:

The problem lies outside the first two short gears, where the CR-Z runs out of breath. There’s simply not enough midrange grunt to label this car a performance coupe, and under determined driving the battery runs out, rendering the CR-Z a little more than an overweight Fit (pun unintended. Honestly).

And it’s a real shame. No, the CR-Z handles nothing like the CR-X, and it shouldn’t – the CR-X was a different car for a different generation, and expecting the 2010 car to have the 1990 driving dynamics is like expecting to get satnav in a Hyundai Excel. But the truth is that when you get it up to speed, the CR-Z can bring a naughty smile on your face.

While the steering lacks feel, it’s fairly accurate and well-weighted, and due to the low ride height and relatively short suspension travel, body roll is also relatively modest. The CR-Z responds well to steering inputs, and feels agile and capable in the corners. Gather enough speed and leave the throttle, and you’ll even manage to induce some old school back slips. Unfortunately, CR-Z doesn’t manage to shake off the braking syndromes associated with hybrids.

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Car Magazine UK had a CR-Z as a long-term loaner and the publication adored the looks and the hybrid technology, but was let down by the “sporty” part of the car:

The CR-Z was far from perfect, but oddly – or encouragingly enough – it wasn’t the hybrid technology that let the side down, but rather straightforward dynamics. The Honda’s ride quality was terrible. Brittle, stiff and ludicrously lacking in compliancy, it made tackling our roads something to be done through gritted teeth. I don’t quite understand why Honda has got this so wrong over the last decade – every Honda I’ve driven in recent memory has been marked out by a stiff-jointed and unforgiving ride. The other major shortcoming was the mute and artificial-feeling steering. Sure, it was quick and unerringly accurate, and you could peel the coupe into corners with real precision, but my nephew’s plastic Playstation steering wheel has better feel and feedback. Maybe Honda’s engineers need to have a long drive in the 1995 Integra Type R – one of the finest front wheel-drive cars (along with the Peugeot 306 Rallye and Ford Racing Puma) I have ever driven – to remind themselves that they’ve done it once, so they can and should do it again.

Most reviews followed a similar theme. Journalists found the CR-Z fun, but heavy and not the most sporty thing out there. Alright, so the car wasn’t quite the Lotus Elise or Mini that it was benchmarked with, but what about that hybrid part? Honda was once the king of hybrids. The original Insight scored an incredible 70 mpg in EPA testing before the EPA revised its metrics and downgraded the Insight to a still awesome 60 mpg.

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Headwinds

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Well, it wasn’t great. The official numbers were 35 mpg city, 39 mpg highway, and 37 mpg combined, but that’s if you defeated the purpose of the car and bought it with the CVT. Those with the six-speed manual faced 31 mpg city, 37 highway, and 34 combined.

The problem is that these numbers weren’t that great for an economy car, let alone a hybrid. This car was on sale at the same time as the Smart Fortwo, which was officially rated for 33 mpg city, 41 mpg highway, and 36 mpg combined without any hybrid trickery. The CR-Z wasn’t much better on paper than Honda’s own cars. The Honda Fit got 28 mpg city, 35 mpg highway, and 31 mpg combined, but did so with two more seats for $15,870, compared to the $19,950 base price of the CR-Z.

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In other words, CR-Z buyers paid more money for fewer seats and not a whole lot more performance or fuel economy. Speaking of those seats, those journalists never keyed readers in on the CR-Z’s dirty secret. The owner’s manual of U.S. market CR-Zs says that the vehicle’s maximum load limit is just 400 pounds. The average American male weighs around 200 pounds. So, two guys would be putting the car technically overweight after lunch at Subway. Or they would put the car overweight if they used the deleted rear seats for luggage.

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Now, I’m someone who tows trailers with Smart Fortwos, so I’m not trying to cast any stones here. But an official weight limit of just 400 pounds is unfortunate.

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The CR-Z continued to disappoint the press after its launch. In 2010, Paul Niedermeyer published probably the harshest opinion yet when he saidWhy The Honda CR-Z Is So Ugly And Should Never Have Been Built” in the Truth About Cars:

Ok, it’s not exactly a new phenomena: car company shows a low and slick concept, and the final product looks like an obese baby seal. We took GM to task with its Volt bait-and-switch routine. And now we take on Honda, although probably not quite so ferociously; given that the gap between the CR-Z concept and production version is a tad bit narrower than the Volt Grand (Lie) Canyon. But the Volt was always intended to be a four-seater; not the CR-Z. Therein lies the Honda lie: it’s ok to just chop off the back of a sedan and call it…not good.

Reading the various reviews out there, it seemed as if the Honda CR-Z wasn’t a bad car, just that it didn’t live up to Honda’s hype of a thrifty sporty experience. The CR-Z was neither super sporty nor super economical. I’ve gotten to drive one of these for a short time and liked it, but just thought of it as a weird economy car.

Perhaps others felt the same. Honda moved 5,249 CR-Zs in the opening sales year of 2010. Things were decent in 2011 with 11,330 examples finding new homes, then sales fell off of a cliff and never came back. Between 2010 and 2020, Honda sold just 35,040 CR-Zs in America. To put that into perspective, that’s roughly a third of the cars Smart USA sold in America in roughly the same amount of time and the Fortwo wasn’t considered a sales success.

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Honda officially killed off the CR-Z in 2016, but there were enough leftover units to keep registering some sales until 2020. Just one person somehow managed to find a brand-new Honda CR-Z for sale in 2020.

If you’re interested in getting one of these sweet oddballs, you won’t have a problem finding one for sale. These cars also haven’t held on to a ton of value, so it should be easy to locate one for under $10,000.

As a reminder, calling the CR-Z an Unholy Fail isn’t necessarily saying that the CR-Z is a bad car. I know that the CR-Z has a lot of fans and for good reason! It’s a cool little ride. However, it was a failure from the standpoint of Honda setting expectations so high that the car just couldn’t reach them. It’s a shame, too. If the CR-Z had just a little more power, a little better fuel economy, or maybe a lower price, it might have found more buyers.

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SmallBlogV8
SmallBlogV8
4 months ago

Imagine a CR-Z Type-R, with a K20A, lightened bodyshell and uprated e-motor. Maybe someone should build one. Perhaps with a newer, more power-dense battery.

Logan King
Logan King
4 months ago

Because in the US they only ever sold the higher trim Honda fit; which was lighter and much cheaper and similar driving and faster with a fairly meaningless difference in fuel economy. That Honda specifically showed it off as if it was the followup to the CRX in marketing only predisposed people against it, but it wasn’t a very good car to begin with in the context of other cars Honda already sold.

Last edited 4 months ago by Logan King
AlfaWhiz
AlfaWhiz
4 months ago

Concept looks great, something about the production version seems off though. They made a lot of subtle changes as it’s often the case, it’s close, but somehow they all add up in a wrong way. I feel sorry for the designers thinking of countless discussions they must have had about this.

Last edited 4 months ago by AlfaWhiz
Autopizen
Autopizen
4 months ago

From the front view, it looks pretty happy; good karma in an age of scowling faces.

Patches O' Houlihan
Patches O' Houlihan
4 months ago

I had cross-shopped this with the Ford Fiesta when new. Ended up with the Fiesta.

I completely regretted the Fiesta for years even after selling, but I completely forgot that I was looking at the CR-Z until this post. It missed the mark that much.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
4 months ago

i considered one, but when I sat in it I felt cramped and claustrophobic. I got a Civic Coupe instead.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago

The CR-Z failed because it lacked the rear seat and also lacked a cheaper lighter non-hybrid option.

The CRZ and first-gen Insight should’ve also been available as non-hybrids and would’ve made for an awesome CRX

Mars
Mars
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Uh, no, not really – the CR-Z did have a backseat in Europe and wasn’t exactly a glowing success. Also, given its goals, having a non-hybrid version, especially if successful, would just have proven the point of it wrong.

JumboG
JumboG
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

It failed for the same reason the C-Max did – not good enough fuel economy for a hybrid. I mean, I looked at both, and eventually bought a C-Max because even with the revised numbers, it get better fuel economy, better performance and better interior space. Plus, being based on Toyota hybrid tech, I thought it would be more reliable.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

There are a lot of successful cars without back seats. It’s just that the CRZ was a hatchback instead of a sports car and most people would expect it to have a rear seat. I, on the other hand, haven’t carried more than one passenger since, oh, high school, so a hatchback without a rear seat is fine. No need to do any folding when carrying cargo.

Americanitis
Americanitis
4 months ago

This car is one of the best looking Hondas of the past 20 yrs, and a K swap would fix literally everything else wrong w it lol

OnceInAMillenia
OnceInAMillenia
4 months ago

As an owner of a 2016 CR-Z, what worked against this car is that it’s excellent in a lot of urban driving like San Francisco or New York, but would absolutely struggle in more suburban/rural areas where your speed changes over a larger range and where most people who would need it live. While you might think it would feel slow, most people don’t drive fast, especially on on-ramps where I’m often having to back off the throttle when merging, even with that 120 horsepower and 2700 lb.

10 to 25mph is this car’s sweet spot, and its size makes it a breeze to park. The downside is that if you are one of the people who have a car in the city, you probably want it to be as practical as possible, so it was never going to compare well against the superbly practical Fit. That said, it drives great with a 4 bags of mulch in the back.

The last thing I will say is if you look at the UK version of the car, you will find it has a 300 lb heavier gross vehicle weight rating; Honda USA arbitrarily cut that 300 lb because they removed the back seats, and the owner’s manual uses 150 lb per person as an example weight.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
4 months ago

What I don’t understand is why was the fuel economy so (relatively) poor?

It’s kinda heavy, but still under 3000lbs. And it’s not a brick aerodynamically. So why is it rated under 40mpg?

OnceInAMillenia
OnceInAMillenia
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Because you got to go hard on the throttle to get it up to speed. That just brings your average way down. It’s better for small adjustments in speed at a time, but flooring it to pass someone or merge onto a highway is definitely going to eat into your economy. I drove mine cross country during the pandemic and, even with limited traffic, I think 47mpg was the highest I ever got?

Master P
Master P
4 months ago

FYI Honda Performance Development sold bolt-on supercharger kits for these, increasing the output to 197hp!

OnceInAMillenia
OnceInAMillenia
4 months ago
Reply to  Master P

But only for the manual; the CVT can be tuned up to around 150 but can’t handle the supercharger

SooperDooperPooperScooter
SooperDooperPooperScooter
4 months ago
Reply to  Master P

They also sold a suspension kit, exhaust, and diff.

M. Park Hunter
M. Park Hunter
4 months ago

I had a couple of the original two-seat Honda Insight hybrids as very used cars (200k + miles on each of them). Those were moonshot cars. Honda designed every detail to get the best possible fuel economy: ultra lightweight aluminum bodies, ultra high tech three-cylinder low-friction lean burn engines, ultra aerodynamic. A hybrid with a five-speed that could easily hit 60mpg was slow-car-fast fun. I thought about getting a CR-Z, but they weighed almost half a ton more and got only about 60% of the fuel economy. Not an impressive sequel.

Dolsh
Dolsh
4 months ago

The owner’s manual of U.S. market CR-Zs says that the vehicle’s maximum load limit is just 400 pounds

Based on my attempt to sit in one at a car show, I’m pretty sure your average weighted dude isn’t fitting in it. I would have needed to be half my size to have a chance.

American Locomotive
American Locomotive
4 months ago

The Honda Hybrid system has around 150-170 pounds of “stuff”. They should have never have released it as a hybrid. It would have been a lot more likeable car if it weighed 2400 pounds and had a ~140-150 HP higher-revving NA non-hybrid engine.

I remember this thing getting slammed almost immediately in reviews.

TimoFett
TimoFett
4 months ago

My ownership experience with the CR-Z was a good one. Bad fuel economy on a tank of gas was 40 mpg, with a typical range of 42 to 43 mpg on my normal driving cycle. On trips of over 40 miles in length it would get 48 mpg or better. At speed it was quite nimble and with the stability assist off it was fun to slide through curves on the back roads I drove during my daily commute. The only use I found for the space behind the front seats was they were the perfect size to hold a styrofoam to-go plate from a restaurant so that it wouldn’t slide or spill. The handling improved when I swapped the OEM tires for a set of Michelin’s. Sadly a health issue required me to switch to a vehicle that was easier to get in and out of.

AnscoflexII
AnscoflexII
4 months ago

Honestly all they had to do is make a version powered with just an internal combustion engine of reasonable power-it didn’t even need to be a type R steamer, just a bit more power and torque -stick the Si logo on the back, and call it done. Hybrid for the economy minded buyer, Si for the one who wants to autocross.

should’ve been the idea from the start

Goblin
Goblin
4 months ago

A sad ersatz of a CRX, the ultimate proof of how the might have fallen. Shame on Honda for having teased us with it.

Then again, wasn’t the story that the thing had a K-series version planned till pretty far in the development stage, which turned out unable to pass crash-test regulations because too close to the firewall or something ?

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
4 months ago

it also weighed a hefty 2,637 pounds. That was weird when you think about it because the Honda Insight it was based on wasn’t even a full hundred pounds heavier despite having two more doors, two more seats, and a foot more in length.

And there’s the problem. It demanded 2-seater sacrifices without a 2-seater payoff. Surely their market research told them the market for 2-seaters not named Corvette or Miata was tiny and mostly consisted of Italian exotics that cost house money.

Had Honda built a manual, Si-trim version of the 5-door 5-seater Insight instead, it would’ve expanded the appeal, given the gen2 Insight a whole-line image of being the first hybrid sport sedan that would’ve better differentiated it from the Prius, and cut development costs to that of the IMA/manual powertrain and a tauter suspension, a fraction of that of an entirely different body on a shorter wheelbase, so that even if there had only been a few hundred extra marginal sales a year the breakeven would be much lower.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
4 months ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

It was a 4 seater in Japan (and possibly other markets), but Japanese automakers always tend assume all Americans are patients of Dr. Now, so, instead of an occasional use back seat that can also double as a cargo shelf, we got a cargo shelf that doubles as nothing

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
4 months ago

It’s always looked cool, but the numbers the car delivered sort of eliminated any reason for existing in the first place.

Compared to the Honda Civic Hybrid, it … really did not get any better MPG. Nor was it faster. So it was a Civic Hybrid with 2 fewer doors, and no upsides.

If you wanted performance, other things were a lot better, and if you wanted MPG, the original insight was better. I’m not sure why this was ever produced; it wasn’t really great at anything.

Last edited 4 months ago by ADDvanced
Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
4 months ago

It should have just been a non-hybrid with a regular civic motor and a sort of stripper-version you would see WRXs available with.

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
4 months ago

I sat in one of these at the NY Auto show and thought it was a great little successor to the CRX with fancy new digital gauges, but then read the MPG and was like huh? There were so many non-hybrids starting to get that good mileage.

At the same show Toyota had the Prius-C, about the same size, but with back seats, getting 10mpg more combined, no it wasn’t sporty sport but if the CR-Z wasn’t that good at performance what was it good for?

Certainly not mpg, which is sad as not just from the legacy of the CRX, but the original 2 seater hatchback Insight got nearly double the mpg just 5 years earlier!

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

I’ve driven three of these and found them to be competent, reliable, and pleasant to drive on all kinds of roads. It was definitely better with the manual if you want get the most out of that drivetrain

It easily moved two adult (US) males, all of our luggage, and one parrot on a two-week, cross country trip without missing a beat and recording over 40 mpg.

I personally like the looks and consider the two-seat configuration with ample luggage space behind to be a plus. Opinions differ.

I helped a friend replace his battery after 12 years, not so much because of degradation, though that was a factor, but because the aftermarket now offers better, longer lasting replacements that improve performance as well as economy. It was surprisingly easy to swap and affordable for this type of thing (under $2000).

In short, it’s a handsome, fun and reasonably economical ride. Perhaps Honda oversold it as the spiritual descendant of the CRX thereby distorting expectations, but when objectively evaluated for what it is and how it does it, this a very good to excellent car. Not a superior car. I liken it to the Volvo C30, another car that suffered from some hostile press and yet is an excellent value.

I won’t be surprised, especially if the prices stay low, to see these become a cult favorite, similar the Element, though if that happens, it will be a small cult as the Element racked up nearly 10 times as many sales.

Was the CR-Z a fail? In sales terms, yes. In attempting to be too many things to appeal to too many demographics, maybe. Divorced from those metrics and expectations., it’s a nice little car. And, whatever its shortcomings, it’s a Honda and that does mean something.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

I wholeheartedly concur with your observations here and get that you weren’t attacking the car so much as Honda’s marketing strategy. I can’t help imaging what this car would do if blessed with today’s Civic Sport Hybrid drivetrain. PS. I’d rather have a CRX, too.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
4 months ago

It’s not in Craig’s book, is it?

Amateur-Lapsed Member
Amateur-Lapsed Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

What did the parrot think of it? Or did it just repeat what you and your co-driver had to say?

Especially with the battery upgrade you mentioned and that supercharger kit for the manual versions, I agree that it will soon be an object around which a little cultlet will spring.

Last edited 4 months ago by Amateur-Lapsed Member
Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

Lol, the parrot is an experienced traveler and mostly likes to look out of the window. When he’s happy with anything, he says, “that’s good.” He also prefers to perch on my shoulder when I’m driving, which leads to a lot of double takes from passing cars. He also says “hello” a lot to get attention (he loves attention) and it’s pretty hilarious when we pull up to a stoplight and he starts calling hello to the cars next to us. He usually gets a hello back. He also chuckles when amused or excited and every time we went out to get in the CR-Z, he’d start laughing, so I guess he liked it fine.

BenCars
BenCars
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I agree with your assessment.

Cody
Cody
4 months ago

A modern version of the classic CRX, which got 45 MPG in the CRX HF. Make it a hybrid, and it’s a joke at 34.

Gee See
Gee See
4 months ago
Reply to  Cody

Yeah.. Never thought of the Japanese are such comedians.

Robert Nickell
Robert Nickell
4 months ago

CR-Z<CR-X=CRY

Danny Zabolotny
Danny Zabolotny
4 months ago

I’ve seen some people remove the whole hybrid drivetrain and K-swap these. That fixes a lot of the flaws and removes quite a bit of weight.

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