You’d expect a modern vehicle to have paint that sticks to the body for a good few years at least. Sadly, as we’ve explored this week, Jeep is struggling quite severely in this regard. So many JT Gladiator and JL Wranglers are suffering with this issue that my inbox is overflowing. More owners keep hitting me up with their tales of woe, and there’s even a class action in progress.
If you’re just tuning in, these are the basic facts: There’s a corrosion issue affecting Wranglers built from 2018 onwards, and Gladiators from 2020 onwards (these dates represent the start of production for the “JL”-generation Wrangler and the related “JT” Gladiator). The issue most commonly presents itself as bubbling or flaking paint, usually around the door hinges or the lower door panels. However, as I’ve since learned, it can also show up on the hood, hood hinges, tailgate, or tailgate hinges, too.
This issue is common enough (Jeep sells 200,000+ Gladiators and Wranglers annually (combined)) that I’m still getting a flood of tips. At one point, I’d gotten so many pictures of corrosion I totally lost track of whose was whose. I headed back to the Facebook group to post the pics and hunt down the owner, with hilarious results. “Mine looks like that but yellow!” declared Mario. “Mine looks like that but blue!” said Jacque. And the riffing continued ad nauseum in a perfect “I am Spartacus”Ā moment.
It turned out the images belonged to Paula Kay, whose story we heard in the previous article. Still, I met another one owner convinced that the images were from theirĀ white JeepāAnthony, from Massachusetts. He’d faced exactly the same problems. “My 2018 Jeep JL has been to the body shop three times now over the past five years for paint bubbling issues all over the vehicle,” Anthony told me.
Some have raised the question as to whether this issue comes down to paint color. Without having Jeep’s warranty stats on hand, we can’t say conclusively. What I can say is that I’ve seen terrible bubbling on Jeeps of all colors, from white to red to green to black, just like the photos below. They’re from Nicole Smith Martin, who has recently left her Jeep with the dealer for repair.
It’s not obvious at first, but if you look closely, you can see the paint has totally flaked off the hinge. The second photo shows bubbling on the hood. “Mine started this year, [and the] warranty expires in August,” explained Nicole. “Hopefully, the dealership is ordering four new doors and a hood like they said they were.”
Meanwhile, Shannon Geyer had a more unique problem. She’d wrapped her Wrangler with custom graphics, which had to be removed to deal with the corrosion. “Stellantis would not cover replacement of my custom graphics so I was stuck paying that out of pocket,” she explains. “Now that the graphics are done again I’ve found more corrosion and it will have to go back again, just to cost me more.” She’s found corrosion on the hinges, doors, and hood, and suspects there may be some on the windshield frame, too.
“It makes customizing your rig a huge risk,” Shannon toldĀ The Autopian. “My graphics would have lasted me several more years if not the lifetime of me owning my Jeep.” It’s a poignant note, given how many Jeep owners love customizing their vehicles.
A Big Deal
As it turns out, this issue didn’t just pop up overnight. A class action suit was filed back in 2021 over this very matter. The matter of Orozco, et al v. FCA US, LLC is being heard in the US District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan. Of course, the slow pace of the legal system means that this case is still apparently moving through the courts, with a status conference slated for July 9.
Stellantis did get back to us for this story. Sadly, it didn’t tell us a whole lot.
Model-year 2018 migration to an aluminum door design ā a weight-saving measure ā inadvertently coincided with, initially, occasional variation in the manufacturing process.
The issue described may occur in a fraction of these vehicles. Accordingly, we are providing affected customers with a solution.
Okay, so Stellantis is telling us there’s a “variation” in the manufacturing process. That means some part of the process isn’t being controlled properly and is leading to defects. We don’t get to know what that might have been or whether it’s still happening.
As we discussed previously, a current repair TSB from Stellantis involves fitting a zinc shim in between the door and the hinge. “The shim helps mitigate material properties that may induce corrosion,” a Stellantis representative told The Autopian. Zinc is often used as a sacrificial metal in this regard in applications like boat hulls or marine structures. This is because it preferentially corrodes over other metals like aluminum and steel under certain conditions.
Many have speculated that dissimilar metal corrosion is the root cause here. The zinc shim added more fuel to that suspicion. However, it still seems unlikely given the evidence out in public. The hinges and doors are both made of aluminum on the affected vehicles. Plus, we’re seeing hoods and doors corrode in areas where there is no dissimilar metal contact. That seems to tell us this is a paint or sealing issue of some sort. On doors and hoods, moisture might even be playing a role. It’s worth noting most photos show bubbling near edges of panels and seams.
I could give you a stack more photos and case studies, but instead, we’ll talk about what affected owners can do. The best course of action is to pursue a repair within the five-year corrosion warranty period. Contacting a dealership with a good body shop on hand seems to be the best bet according to affected owners. Getting a repair with a good color match to your original paint seems to be down to the luck of the draw in some cases.
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Sadly, a repair is no guarantee that the issue is solved. As shared by YouTuber Evolved Jeepin,Ā the problem is recurring for some owners.
I did, however, want to get the lowdown from someone on the other side of things ā an owner who hasn’t had these same problems. I chatted with fellow auto writer Zerin Dube, who owned a 2018 Wrangler until quite recently. His Jeep was luckily spared from the rot, and his photos from 2023 give us a great example of what these hinges are supposedĀ to look like. “No issues whatsoever, corrosion or otherwise, but we sold it last summer,” he told me.
Still, Zerin understands the frustration of his fellow Jeepers. “My honest thought is FCA didnāt acknowledge the issue fast enough, [and] didnāt give dealers the tools or SOP to fix the issue,” says Zerin. “[It] made customers have inconsistent experiences when trying to get repairs covered and the entire thing was one massive cock up.” He also questions why the issue has rolled on for so long. “It happened across multiple model years, despite this being a known issue early on,” he says. “FCA should and could have addressed it.”
In any case, if you’re out of warranty, your situation is altogether tougher. Some owners have posted that Jeep has covered their repairs under goodwill, others have been left wanting. Many are flocking to forums and Facebook groups in search of advice to get the best results.
We’ve talked about this at length this week, so let’s wrap this thing up. It seems like Jeep got something a little wrong with the paint on these Wranglers and Gladiators, and those chickens are coming home to roostāin big numbers. That really sucks for a vehicle that is otherwise a bonafide American icon. Here’s hoping Jeep can sort these issues once and for all, and restore the confidence of its customers.
Image credits: Shannon Geyer, Mike Haines, Nicole Smith Martin, Jeep
The Zinc shim is like using a condom after someone tells you they have a venereal disease. Everything will be just fine.
I checked out a 200+ page thread about this on a JL Wrangler forum out of curiosity. (No, not all 200 pages)
It isn’t just that the owners have to deal with this in the first place, it is that so many dealers seem to 1) refuse to even work on it or 2) fail to actually repair it. One guy reported that it seemed they just repainted and clear coated over the hinge without removing it. So now he has to take it back and get it done right. Another guy was on his like 4th try at fixing it. Another person doesn’t have a Jeep dealer with a bodyshop nearby.
Jeep corporate seems to be a mixed bag in helping the owners actually get squared away.
I wonder if maybe the paint itself is the cause.
It is well known that any sort of pinhole in the paint allows oxygen and moisture to get to the aluminum, The aluminum will oxidize. Normally oxidation on aluminum is self limiting because itās really durable. It is literally a microscopic layer of sapphire that has formed on the aluminum. The problem with painted aluminum is that if the paint adheres strongly enough, the oxidation will pull the paint away from the surface of the aluminum , exposing more unprotected aluminum, which then oxidizes and pulls more of the paint away in a never ending process. If the paint werenāt so tough, it would just pinhole, the aluminum oxidation would be self limiting, and nobody would ever notice.
Anybody who has painted a brick wall with waterproof paint may be familiar with a similar problem.
Oh, and the crummy paint Chrysler used in the 1990s would not have had this problem. Just about every other conceivable problem, but not excessive toughness.
How bad does a company need to be to figure out a way to have corrosion issues with an aluminum body?
Aluminum corrosion like this is actually very common; I mean, not this common, but nearly every brand has this issue on their first attempt at using aluminum body panels. It’s a combination of the cleanliness required during initial painting, plus galvanic corrosion.
Just look at Fords when they first started introducing aluminum hoods and tailgates.
Ha, you should see their aluminum hoods. Tha fully it just seems cosmetic, versus Nissan’s issue where the hood rust can make the latch no longer do its job.
Widespread shoddy quality control on a Stellantis product! Shocked! I am shocked!
How much do we want to bet the zinc shim is a case of “fuck, I dunno, but it’s worth a try” engineering?
So, this reminds me a bit of a used X150 Jaguar XKR I once took to a PPI for a co-worker. Those cars are famously aluminum, including the body panels. So it was a surprise when the mechanic noted that there was some corrosion on one of the door panels that had been painted over:
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/A-spot-of-corrosion-on-a-used-2007-Jaguar-XKR-Coupe.jpg?w=1536&h=1153
So, this reminds me a lot of a used X150 Jaguar XKR I once took to a PPI for a co-worker. Those cars are famously aluminum, including the body panels. So it was a surprise when the mechanic noted that there was some corrosion on one of the door panels that had been painted over. And the bubbling on the XK’s panel reminds me quite a bit of what I’m seeing in these photos.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/A-spot-of-corrosion-on-a-used-2007-Jaguar-XKR-Coupe.jpg?w=1536&h=1153
This is just the typical cycle for whoever owns jeep to go through. Jeep builds a great product that people love, it becomes popular, quality goes to shit, company goes into bankruptcy, jeep gets sold off, new company build a new, good quality jeep product, cycle repeats. I’m guessing a Chinese company will end up with it this time.
Imagine buying an American market Stellantis product in the year 2024
Wasn’t David Tracy an engineer on this product? I think this might be part of his devious pro-rust agenda; I think he might be in the pocket of Big Rust. Up until now I only thought of him as a rust influencer.
COTD
In all honesty who the hell will buy cars from Stellantis. Iāve owned Dodges back in the 70ās but would never buy one now. I hear tales of woe from friends who think the new Dodges and Jeeps are the same from the past. I remind them itās the same company that brought us Fiats that are behind these classic American brands.
Chrysler was peddling garbage tier vehicles long before they were associated with Fiat
When my dad said my stepmom bought a used chrysler 200 the first words out of my mouth were, “On purpose?!.” The aftermarket warranty has paid out more than she paid for the car.
What warranty did she go with?
No clue. I just remember my dad mentioning it. I bring more of a, ‘I void warranties,” kind of vibe.
As a Ford owner, I am strongly considering all my warranty options.
Have you considered just buying a Honda or Toyota?
I’ve owned Toyota Priuses (Priui?) and the SO has a 2012 Honda Fit that refuses to die. Outside of the occasional flashing light, and too many recalls, I’ve been really happy with my Maverick. It’s just too new to know how it’ll hold up long-term. However, the Escape hybrid is pretty solid, and that shares a lot of DNA with the trucklet.
Mav gets a hand on the shoulder and an understanding look from me. Best of luck, I canāt fault you for the decision
Scratch out Honda and put Mazda instead. And even Toyota isn’t the bastion of reliability it once was.
I bought a new 2021 Pacifica. It’s been defect free. Now, let me state that I too was skeptical and only chose the Pacifica because of the AWD and Tow Package options, plus $10k off in mid 2020 (so a huge steal considering market conditions).
Frankly, I was wrong. It’s pretty good so far and tows far better than I expected. I am certainly no Stellantis evangelist, but I must admit that I would recommend a Pacifica to prospective buyers. It’s certainly not perfect. I don’t have any special love for the Pentastar, and they still haven’t completely perfected the transmission programming, but it is good enough.
I have a Pacifica Hybrid because it’s a totally unique product, and still is, 6 years after I bought it.
It has absolutely had issues but they’ve been free because they’ve been with the PHEV system which was programmed by the drunkest bonobos Stellantis could find. When it works, which is most of the time, it’s been awesome.
Oh yeah, and I got the hood leading edge corrosion fixed.
Well, me for one. My WK2 was bullet proof and despite being 2wd, pretty damn capable off-road. It also towed very well.
My 2022 WL isn’t a bad vehicle. There were a few things that happened, but being a first model year I knew I was taking a risk. All the issues were fixed in a timely manner and they haven’t popped up again.
This isn’t just an issue that impacts the Wrangler/Gladiator. My boyfriend’s 2015 Jeep Renegade had his aluminum hood replaced under warranty for the same issue. The corrosion and bubbling of the paint. This was at the leading edge of the hood, no where near any hinges. There was a process that he had to go through with the dealer to take pics and have it examined by “corporate” to authorize the hood replacement.
DT may have cleaned up his addiction to rust, moving on to carbon fiber BMW’s but his legacy lives on.
That owner, Zerin Dube, hit the nail on the head when he expressed frustration about the flaw continuing for several years (if not to this day) despite widespread knowledge of the issue. Beyond warranty costs, the brand’s reputation is on the line. I don’t think this is limited to Stellantis. Ford took something like 6 years to rectify a design flaw in its 10R80 automatic transmission. I could keep going with nearly every manufacturer.
I’m not a big Toyota fan, but I know they have a team that looks for warranty claims and is far more proactive about implementing design changes to rectify the cause. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but they strike me as far more attuned to correcting identified design issues promptly.
And don’t forget Ford paint. My Disco looks like shit because of ” The Ford Years’ of Land Rover. Looks like a poor Tie Dye job by a spaced hippie
Yeah, Toyota stopped selling the Prius for 2-3 months when they were selling like hotcakes to address a recall issue. Same with the Grand Highlander/TX recently. I’m not saying Toyota is perfect, but I don’t recall other companies doing that as of late. These things are selling before they even hit the lot, so I’m sure the dealers are complaining about not being able to sell them.
not to dismiss the corrosion issue, but LMFAO at “muh custom graphics had to be paid for out of pocket”. Yeah, I could see that, bummer.
Scrolls down to see the “graphics”. Brother, you put some vinyl scraps on your car. That is not ‘wrapped’. Someone took some random chunks and put them on your painted car. Lololol
Also: This reminds me of “white” and “lapis blue” 1st gen Dodge Neons. Almost all of them had the entire roof peel off, exposing the primer. Some sort of adhesion issue, with just those two colors.
I try not to yuck other people’s yum, but yeah those graphics are shit
I think aesthetically it’s fine/cool. My issue was calling it ‘wrapped’ and complaining about cost of redoing it, when it’s literal scraps lol
You are a better person than I
Yeah, that’s how it goes with aftermarket mods. I don’t know why people would think differently. Then they’re complaining about having to redo it several times. Or they could dump the POS or peel the rest off instead. If they’re not doing that, then they have money to flush down the toilet for it, so OK, but BFD, it’s a choice to do so and it’s not like it’s a business advertisement. I’d be more complaining about the long term prospects and resale (isn’t the historic and almost inexplicable high resale a major appeal of these horrible things?) of a vehicle that’s already needed several remedies for corrosion under unbroken paint.
This is not just a Jeep thing. 2017 Pacifica with an aluminum hood has the exact same issue on the leading edge. We caught it too late for out to be covered under warranty, and just live with it.
I got mine done with just weeks to spare.
Corrosion on Chrysler group vehicles has been an issue for a long time. Back in 2006 or so all the 4th-gen minivans got premature corrosion in exactly the same places– the rear quarter panels just forward of the wheels.
Shit, every Chrysler product since at least the 60’s came from the factory with rust.
Where I live, with winter abatement measures what they are, I’m willing to bet if I go into our employee parking lot right now I’ll be able to find this corrosion on nearly every Jeep. It’s soo common to see.
Ford’s problem, going back to at least 2005, was that they didn’t properly adapt their paint shop for aluminum instead of steel. Tiny iron particles, either from the stamping die or just from in the air in the plant, get on the panel and aren’t cleaned off before painting. The iron dust, basically, is enough to cause dissimilar metal corrosion under the paint.
If the door and hinge are both aluminum, my bet is this is what’s really happening in Stellantis’ case, also. Could be what they’re subtly referencing regarding manufacturing process changes related to the material switch
So odd. I have a 97 Grand Marquis with an aluminum hood and trunk lid. Zero paint issues with that car.
I had a 2013 Mustang that blistered on the trunk lid twice and hood once, a 2008 Town Car that peeled on the hood, a 2008 Crown Victoria that peeled on the hood, and a 2017 Escape assigned as a company car that peeled on the A-pillar and blistered the lower corners of the doors (not sure if the latter was all due to aluminum or just shitty paint), and my dad had an Expedition company car that blistered and peeled the tailgate.
The most consistent issues are on 2005+ up Mustangs, there was a class action lawsuit regarding that that Ford was able to get dismissed on procedural grounds and wasn’t reattempted. Looked at a gently used, low mile 2014 at one point, and backed off immediately when I saw the familiar bubbling on the edge of the trunk lid, salesman knew immediately what I was looking for when I popped it open and tried to assure me that car didn’t have it
nice explanation, thanks
Ford’s early embrace of aluminum is paying off now with a matured process while others are having to figure it out for the first time. They endured so many bubbling hoods and hatches from the turn of the century.
Pretty sure dad’s 1990 Lincoln had an aluminum hood. No bubbling, just flaking and peeling.
This must be the reason all those Jeeps I see have angry eyes.
Now the owners’ faces match!
rot at stellantis starts at the tippy-top.
I think this is something Jeep caught from Fiat. You lie down with dogs, you get fleas.
‘You lie down with Italians, you get Fiats.’
Yup. A Jeep Wrangler is basically the only current production automobile sold in the US that I can see myself buying, and if I did buy one the first thing I’d do is remove the doors, tailgate, and hood; then sell them. Would replace the hood with a carbon fiber one.
Being from Southeast Michigan I know a lot of people in the automotive industry, both friends and family. The few Stellantis employees I know actively smoke crack and at least one of them doesn’t have a license anymore after too many DUIs.
Sorry to hear about your license, but I hear you have connections for some solid crack? Or were you actually talking about a friend? Oh… Me too…