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The One Thing I Hate About Almost Every Jeep Since 1941

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I’m so obsessed with Jeeps that I studied engineering to become a Jeep engineer, then I became a car journalist who has basically been writing about his Jeep projects for over a decade; recently, I assembled a WWII Jeep from scratch. It’s a deep, deep obsession, but it’s not a blind one; I know Jeeps aren’t perfect, and today I’d like to point out my least favorite attribute of pretty much every Jeep since the very beginning — WWII.

Back in 2001, my family went on vacation in Malta. While there, we rented a Land Rover Defender 110, and I recall my parents sitting up front and all six of us boys in the back. It was epic.

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Fast forward a few decades later and I’m a car journalist at a media event in which Toyota allowed journalists to drive all generations of Land Cruiser; I remember sitting with a bunch of people in the back of an FJ-40. That, too, was epic.

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Image: Land Rover brochure
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Image: Land Rover brochure

What made these trips so great wasn’t simply that these Jeep-inspired SUVs were so good off-road, it was that the vehicles allowed me to share that off-road fun with lots of people. How could they do that? Well, their seating arrangement makes sense; the same cannot be said about pretty much any Jeep, ever.

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Image via Land Cruiser Heritage Museum. Check out this amazing museum in Utah (I have!).
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Image via Land Cruiser Heritage Museum. Check out this amazing museum in Utah (I have!).

This is just something I have to get off my chest, because it’s bothered me for years. Take a look at my WWII Jeep’s rear cargo area (below); you can see two squared-off wheel humps. Between those wheel humps is a narrow cargo floor. For some reason, Jeep decided that, instead of using those wheel humps as the perfect seating locations that they are, they’d squeeze a tiny bench between the humps. So now, instead of fitting four people in the back, you can fit 1.5. Why?

Why is the Jeep designed to seat only four while the Toyota FJ and Land Cruiser can seat seven? That’s 75% more people!

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This was a significant enough problem that, if you look at wartime photos, you’ll often see soldiers putting, not their butts, but their feet on that rear bench. This photo really demonstrates my point that, as brilliant as the WWII Jeep (and its successors) were as off-road machines, they really weren’t very good personnel carriers:

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Image: Office of War Information, Alfred T. Palmer

On the WWII Jeep, there may have been a good reason having to do with payload or maintaining the right height for the windshield or top or whatever; the specifics of that vehicle were clearly laid out by the U.S. Quartermaster Corps in 1940. But when the CJ-2A came out in 1943, there was no excuse.

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Even Jeep understood that only having seating for four was unacceptable, so in this ad they put a third person in the back seat. In reality, there is simply no room. Image: Jeep

Not only did the very first Civilian Jeep no longer have storage bins in the wheel wells (making those wheel wells completely wasted space not suited for cargo-holding), but it also added a tailgate. So now, unlike a forward-facing bench between the wheel wells, two inward-facing jumpseats atop the wheel wells would not yield any significant loss of storage (in fact, it would increase usable storage by freeing up the floor), and it would make accessing the rear seats a lot easier. You could open the tailgate and easily sit down; meanwhile, the CJ-2A’s forward-facing rear bench requires leaning the passenger front seat forward or climbing on the seats or stepping on the rear wheel and jumping over the side of the tub. In any case, it’s a pain in the butt if you’re not young and limber.

When the Willys CJ-3B came out with its high hood in 1953, and the CJ-5 followed shortly thereafter, there was even less of a reason to continue with the forward-facing seat because, with the higher hood, you could now raise the windshield and top a bit to accommodate rear passengers seated on the relatively-high wheel wells, and theoretically it wouldn’t ruin the design. (Maybe there was a concern with top-heaviness given the narrow track width? I’m not buying, and I’ll explain why in a moment).

Yet, year after year, Jeep continued with this silly configuration. From MB to CJ-2A to CJ-3A to CJ-3B to CJ-5 to YJ to TJ to JK to JL, it was the same nonsense. Even the longer CJ-7 and LJ all featured a tiny rear bench suited for just two passengers. Look at the LJ:

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Image: Jeep
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Image: Jeep

This, to me, is a real shame. Being able to off-road with a group of friends/family is one of the great joys in this life, and yet, for the vast majority of Jeep CJs and Wranglers, this just never been an option. There is one famous exception.

President Ronald Reagan clearly agreed with me on this issue, which is why his Jeep CJ-6, an extended CJ-5 (if you look at it from the side, you can see this oddly-shaped panel that Willys-Overland welded in to extend the tub by 20-inches), features jump seats:

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4/21/1984 President Reagan driving his jeep with Millie the dog at Rancho Del Cielo in Santa Barbara California. Image: White House Photographic Office
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2/15/1986 Dogs “Lucky” and “Freebo” and “Victory” in the red jeep at Rancho Del Cielo in Santa Barbara. Image: White House Photographic Office
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3-5-1982 President Reagan clearing brush with Dennis LeBlanc and dogs Millie and Victory in the jeep at Rancho Del Cielo. Image: White House Photographic Office
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8-28-1981 President Reagan working at Rancho Del Cielo and driving a jeep with Dennis LeBlanc and dog Victory and an unidentified man in Santa Barbara California. Image: White House Photographic Office

There were some other Jeeps available with jumpseats, like the rare luxury Jeep CJ-5 model called the Tuxedo Park:

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Image: Jeep

And when the Egyptian military bought Jeeps, it knew better than to try to cram two soldiers between those wheel wells:

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Image: Public Domain via NARA
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Image: Public Domain via NARA

To be fair to the Jeep LJ and the post-1970 Jeeps I mentioned: Roll bars became standard around that time, and as you can see in the images above: The Jeeps with the jumpseats have no roll bars. That’s because the roll bars would have to mount to the tops of those wheel wells, leaving little room for seating.

So the roll bar (and certainly, for more modern vehicles, there are even more safety considerations beyond simply a roll bar) is clearly a reason why you’d want a forward-facing bench, and it does necessitate a taller roof, as shown here by these roll bar-less Egyptian Jeep TJs:

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But especially for every Jeep build before roll bars, there is no excuse. To only be able to seat 1.5 people while your Japanese and British rivals have seating for four back there — come on!

Anyway, I’m glad to get that off my chest. Old Jeeps are great, but their seating arrangement has always been absolute garbage.

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JokesOnYou
JokesOnYou
8 hours ago

I drove a jeep wrangler once. it was around 2004 or 2005. I got “upgraded” for a rental car in hawaii. I don’t think I will ever rent one again.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
15 hours ago

The center of gravity must go way up when you have those side seats loaded. Still, they are pretty cool.

I had a rear seat for my CJ-5 that was constantly in and out depending on what I was doing. It was annoying and I doubt old me could hoist that thing myself anymore.

Scott
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Scott
1 day ago

I’m not going to lie: at this stage of life, I’d politely decline the offer to ride in the back of any Jeep, regardless of the seating configuration.

JDE
JDE
1 day ago

the issue at least with the Cj-7 was the wheel well boxes were just very tall. this was to allow flex I imagine as they still sat pretty low on the springs stock. I doubt highly that narrow tires or reduced capability by then would have been traded off for 5-10 inches of butt space. Jeeps are narrow little things, the back seat also has to work around roll bars often.

the CJ5 issue that I have is the front seats can only go back so far. this presents a drivability issue for people over 5 foot 9. Especially if you still have the gargantuan steering wheels from jeeps without power steering.

RAMbunctious
RAMbunctious
1 day ago

Ok, so there’s ONE good thing done by Ronald Reagan.

Also, it’s hilarious how undersized those people are in that illustrated Jeep ad.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
23 hours ago
Reply to  RAMbunctious

> so there’s ONE good thing done by Ronald Reagan.

Are you referring to the seats getting reupholstered?

RAMbunctious
RAMbunctious
10 hours ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Just the modified Jeep in general.

B P
B P
1 day ago

You need to do a story about the pink jeep tours in Sedona Arizona. They have all sorts of customized jeeps to hold more people.

John B Patson
John B Patson
1 day ago

By some measures, Humvees are even worse.
Incredibly wide, but no where to put stuff or people…

TheNewt
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TheNewt
1 day ago
Reply to  John B Patson

And god forbid you are wearing a full combat load-out.

Ricardo M
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Ricardo M
1 day ago
Reply to  John B Patson

It’s a transmission tunnel with guys strapped to the side of it, a bit like a Lotus Elan in practicality, but without any of the benefits.

TheNewt
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TheNewt
1 day ago
Reply to  Ricardo M

Only real benefit is if you have a gunner in the turret. There is a lot of room to stand there.

Adam Schluck
Adam Schluck
1 day ago
Reply to  TheNewt

Or if you have kids in the back it is really hard for them to get into a fight without involving projectiles.

Church
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Church
1 day ago

On the older stuff, sure, I agree. However, on anything newer, reaching modern highway speed while side facing is likely to vomit inducing for a lot of passengers, I expect. And that doesn’t sound like fun for the driver, owner, or anyone else.

Bosco
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Bosco
1 day ago

The front fenders are just crying out for a cushion. That’s two more screaming people.

JayJay
JayJay
1 day ago

I hate everything about all Jeeps, except that thay helped free Europe, but that was over 80 years ago.

Luxrage
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Luxrage
19 hours ago
Reply to  JayJay

That’s a very Hank Hill sounding quote to go with your profile picture.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
2 days ago

I think the official line at Jeep is that they have never had roll bars.
For one thing, that would be admitting that jeeps might roll over more than other cars. Also if a Jeep did roll hard enough for the rollbar to fail they would be liable for making promises of safety..
I think thats why you never hear about safety belts, but only seatbelts

Dave Larkman
Dave Larkman
1 day ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

There are no roll bars on Lotus products.

There are seatbelt anchorage frames, which is what the seatbelts mount to. The SBAFs have bars that go over the top of the cabin, which definitely aren’t roll bars.

Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
2 days ago

Not being an automotive safety engineer (or anything remotely close) I can’t speak with any authority on the subject, but it seems to me that side-facing seating in anything capable of interstate highway speeds has a rather high probability of ending poorly for said side-facers in the event of a crash – but what do I know…

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Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 day ago

I’m pretty sure that no matter what, a jeep at interstate highway speeds will end badly in a crash, but seatbelts would probably just make things worse if you were sitting sideways.

In military vehicles, siting sideways on the way to whatever soldiers are on their way to probably isn’t that high on the list of things that produce bad outcomes.

Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
1 day ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

There’s ending badly, and then there’s ending much more badly than it otherwise would have…

Point taken about military use, but the vast majority of Jeeps have been civilian vehicles – even if we’re limiting it to CJs and Wranglers (I mean, that’s why they were called “CJ” – Civilian Jeep)

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Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 day ago

I think the examples of jeepish things like Land Rovers, Gwagons and Peugeot P4s that have jump seats are all military. The CJs do not.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
2 days ago

I’ve never thought about this, but it is true! They totally could have put in jump seats for 4 people on the older Jeeps!

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